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Yep, true. I get that. I'd rather get someone good for a bit than crap for ages but I do think we need to temper expectations. Frankly, a young rising manager will rise faster than us. Which is why...jimbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:09 pmThere’s a fine line between stone stepping and future building though. A young manager is likely to be ambitious, and even in the best case scenario we may not progress as fast as their career may take them. Someone may start out for the long haul, put 2 good years in and then a championship club comes calling.
It’s a fairly unique opportunity for someone though - decent fan base, good facilities and a complete blank canvas of a squad, with new owners looking to win over fans.
Whoever comes in will be completely rebuilding the club which is why I think it’s imperative we get the right person.
I doubt they'd drop down from Lincoln to Bolton. That sentence hurt. But Lincoln are a club looking up, we're licking our wounds. And the Cowleys have no little ambition. They'll be eyeing the Championship casino.bristol_Wanderer3 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:08 pmI feel we are suddenly a very attractive proposition now. New owners with a plan, the club ready for progress again, good stadium and facilities, people in the game still respect us and remember us being a decent Prem side.
I wonder if existing L1 managers will be applying or amenable to switching? The Cowley brothers at Lincoln for instance?
Yes, the new owners have a plan. And I like the plan. The plan is to live within budget. We're in a posh house but we're aiming to be a Just About Managing family.
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With what transfer budget?
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Correct about people like the Cowley’s. Barring a miracle we’ll be in league 2 next season. We’re looking at people happy to work at that level if we’re realistic.
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They were both Leeds manager at the same time for a bit, weren't they?
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We won’t have millions to spend, but I assume our budget will be on a par with an average L1 side. Surely having the whole budget to build a squad is more interesting to a manager than inheriting an already bloated squad and having to make cuts before bringing any of his own players in.
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Yeah. The rugby one was a lot more successful!
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Most clubs will also have odd bits from previous regimes; players recruited to fit different manager’s plans, and then have to try to blend them into a functioning team. Here if a manager wants a whole squad suited to high energy pressing, or twatting it to a big man, or passing teams to death, he can recruit accordingly rather than having to shoehorn the players he has into a system.jimbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pmWe won’t have millions to spend, but I assume our budget will be on a par with an average L1 side. Surely having the whole budget to build a squad is more interesting to a manager than inheriting an already bloated squad and having to make cuts before bringing any of his own players in.
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It's all a bag of ifs, buts and maybes.
Duchâtelet has taken a punt on all sorts in his time at Charlton with very limited success, until almost by accident he appointed an aspirational youngster with no experience of management. The kid's stock has risen at exactly the same rate as Charlton's; little chance at the moment of any Championship club prising him away (unless Leeds came sniffing I guess).
Whoever gets the job, there are many more failures in football management than successes. I'll support each and every failure til some sunshine breaks through the cloud.
Duchâtelet has taken a punt on all sorts in his time at Charlton with very limited success, until almost by accident he appointed an aspirational youngster with no experience of management. The kid's stock has risen at exactly the same rate as Charlton's; little chance at the moment of any Championship club prising him away (unless Leeds came sniffing I guess).
Whoever gets the job, there are many more failures in football management than successes. I'll support each and every failure til some sunshine breaks through the cloud.
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On the first bit: let's see. The protracted takeover suggests FV are not the type to splash money. Wouldn't surprise me if we are careful with the cash, even by third-tier standards.jimbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:22 pmWe won’t have millions to spend, but I assume our budget will be on a par with an average L1 side. Surely having the whole budget to build a squad is more interesting to a manager than inheriting an already bloated squad and having to make cuts before bringing any of his own players in.
On the second bit: yes, for sure - as you say it's blank canvas. But then again, it's not the dream duo of Blank Canvas + Blank Cheque. And, to be fair, some managers actually like going in making other people's failures work. Look at Parky with Madine.
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Awwwwwww!!! You're a little ray of sunshine Enoch. Going to give you a big cuddle tomorrow.Enoch wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:28 pmIt's all a bag of ifs, buts and maybes.
Duchâtelet has taken a punt on all sorts in his time at Charlton with very limited success, until almost by accident he appointed an aspirational youngster with no experience of management. The kid's stock has risen at exactly the same rate as Charlton's; little chance at the moment of any Championship club prising him away (unless Leeds came sniffing I guess).
Whoever gets the job, there are many more failures in football management than successes. I'll support each and every failure til some sunshine breaks through the cloud.
In other news my mate's mate who.is Keith hill's mate too reckons he's been interviewed today.
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DunnoDave Sutton's barnet wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:15 pmYep, true. I get that. I'd rather get someone good for a bit than crap for ages but I do think we need to temper expectations. Frankly, a young rising manager will rise faster than us. Which is why...jimbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:09 pmThere’s a fine line between stone stepping and future building though. A young manager is likely to be ambitious, and even in the best case scenario we may not progress as fast as their career may take them. Someone may start out for the long haul, put 2 good years in and then a championship club comes calling.
It’s a fairly unique opportunity for someone though - decent fan base, good facilities and a complete blank canvas of a squad, with new owners looking to win over fans.
Whoever comes in will be completely rebuilding the club which is why I think it’s imperative we get the right person.I doubt they'd drop down from Lincoln to Bolton. That sentence hurt. But Lincoln are a club looking up, we're licking our wounds. And the Cowleys have no little ambition. They'll be eyeing the Championship casino.bristol_Wanderer3 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:08 pmI feel we are suddenly a very attractive proposition now. New owners with a plan, the club ready for progress again, good stadium and facilities, people in the game still respect us and remember us being a decent Prem side.
I wonder if existing L1 managers will be applying or amenable to switching? The Cowley brothers at Lincoln for instance?
Yes, the new owners have a plan. And I like the plan. The plan is to live within budget. We're in a posh house but we're aiming to be a Just About Managing family.
I agree we have our issues, but they are bottomed out now. We are in a desperate position in L1, and any manager will have a very limited scope to improve a weak squad to be competitive this season with the TW shut.
On the other hand Lincoln might already be struggling to match the ambition of the Cowleys. Interesting article on that, and them here:
https://www.lincolnshirelive.co.uk/spor ... es-2819339
Even what is initially a backwards move must be very tempting for an ambitious manager at this level? Whilst we should temper expectations and expect to live a more humble existence than in our recent past, we shouldn't talk ourselves down too much I feel. We have a Championship set up, and now it appears a stable, progressive situation at the top. Any manager who gets it going here can aim for much loftier ambitions than with most other L1/L2 clubs.
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We always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
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I feel the thing holding us back is near certain relegation this year. I feel we’d be much more attractive if we were in May, already relegated where someone could then start planning a promotion push. Big risk for a young manager being the one to relegate mighty Bolton to league 2. Follow that up with a below par start in league 2 and it could be career over for them before it got going.LeverEnd wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pmWe always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
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The way I'd pitch it to a manager: "Nobody is going to sack you if you get relegated but put up a fight along the way, so you've got two seasons to rebuild rather than one."jimbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:52 pmI feel the thing holding us back is near certain relegation this year. I feel we’d be much more attractive if we were in May, already relegated where someone could then start planning a promotion push. Big risk for a young manager being the one to relegate mighty Bolton to league 2. Follow that up with a below par start in league 2 and it could be career over for them before it got going.LeverEnd wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pmWe always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
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^ that, I agree with.Branagan wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 3:01 pmThe way I'd pitch it to a manager: "Nobody is going to sack you if you get relegated but put up a fight along the way, so you've got two seasons to rebuild rather than one."jimbo wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:52 pmI feel the thing holding us back is near certain relegation this year. I feel we’d be much more attractive if we were in May, already relegated where someone could then start planning a promotion push. Big risk for a young manager being the one to relegate mighty Bolton to league 2. Follow that up with a below par start in league 2 and it could be career over for them before it got going.LeverEnd wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 2:46 pmWe always talk ourselves down in terms of attractiveness to managers, but we are a decent proposition. Could be a great journey for an ambitious young manager. Not much money but minimal pressure and not having to work with the last manager's sloppy seconds.
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Nixon is saying Sharon wants Nigel Pearson.
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Sounds like Pearson is an ambitious managerial target for FV, which would do for me - I'd like Pearson as Manager or if not Nolan, I don't want Hill.
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Nigel Pearson has always struck me as being little other than a school bully. Oh for the second coming of a Bruce Rioch right now.
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Old school disciplinarian. Martin O'Neill?Bruce Rioja wrote: ↑Fri Aug 30, 2019 9:23 pmNigel Pearson has always struck me as being little other than a school bully. Oh for the second coming of a Bruce Rioch right now.
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I'd give it Nolan though if he wants it. Get Peter Reid or someone like in as assistant.
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