Deal or no deal? - Summer 2022 Transfer gossip!

[sonicthewhite]

Great news regarding Traff and the lad from Wolves could be a diamond in the rough.

[BWFC_Insane]

Great news regarding Traff and the lad from Wolves could be a diamond in the rough.

Have you even heard of the lad from wolves prior to this afternoon?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Great news regarding Traff and the lad from Wolves could be a diamond in the rough.

Have you even heard of the lad from wolves prior to this afternoon?

Probably not, but the B team is going to get a lot of potential "diamonds in the rough" whom forum-dwellers won't have heard of, unless they're habituees of the Academy scene. That's kind of the point.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Can't see past Dapo for the #7. Moved in that direction last year from #30 to #17, which would be the obvious number choice for someone wanting an occupied #7 shirt, and #7 is the usual second choice for a maverick attacking midfielder (after #10, occupied by Charles).

Possibly. Wouldn't astonish me. But equally he might be happy with 17, a shirt in which he did well last season. It was also his shirt number at Solihull, while at Mansfield and Oldham he wore 18.

If both he and Sadlier request the 7, it's an interesting choice for Evatt to make - seniority or resale value?

(Thanks for engaging, BTW – glad to know it's not just me that thinks about these things)

[truewhite15]

Great news regarding Traff and the lad from Wolves could be a diamond in the rough.

Have you even heard of the lad from wolves prior to this afternoon?

I haven't. But then, I hadn't heard of Trafford or Fossey before they signed either. Nor of Dion Charles, nor of Rico Santos. And they all turned out alright.

[Mar]

Glad to see Trafford back. Shame about Fossey, presumably that may be out of his control.

[truewhite15]

Can't see past Dapo for the #7. Moved in that direction last year from #30 to #17, which would be the obvious number choice for someone wanting an occupied #7 shirt, and #7 is the usual second choice for a maverick attacking midfielder (after #10, occupied by Charles).

Possibly. Wouldn't astonish me. But equally he might be happy with 17, a shirt in which he did well last season. It was also his shirt number at Solihull, while at Mansfield and Oldham he wore 18.

If both he and Sadlier request the 7, it's an interesting choice for Evatt to make - seniority or resale value?

(Thanks for engaging, BTW – glad to know it's not just me that thinks about these things)

Always a pleasure! Comes from a lifetime on FIFA and Football Manager, and a slightly anal desire to have The Right Numbers In The Right Positions.

I wasn't aware of Dapo's numbers at previous clubs; I guess if he has a particular liking for #17, there's no reason to switch it, but I'd like to see him take #7. I think he'll play more regularly than Sads, and it always bugs me when "utility" players get first 11 numbers ahead of the star names. Not a slight against Sads, I think he's great, just a personal view.

But then, I'm a fan of players sticking with their original numbers unless a #1-#11 becomes available, and last summer there was almost a wholesale change in squad numbers. I wondered at the time how much of that was Evatt wanting to give the lowest numbers to the people he viewed as most important to the team. In which case, there might be another churn this time out...

[BWFC_Insane]

Great news regarding Traff and the lad from Wolves could be a diamond in the rough.

Have you even heard of the lad from wolves prior to this afternoon?

I haven't. But then, I hadn't heard of Trafford or Fossey before they signed either. Nor of Dion Charles, nor of Rico Santos. And they all turned out alright.

That isn’t my point. ‘Could be a diamond in the rough’ suggests some knowledge of the player. He might not be fough at all. He might be brilliant already. I just was curious as to how anyone could make any sort of assessment unless they knew something about him.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Always a pleasure! Comes from a lifetime on FIFA and Football Manager, and a slightly anal desire to have The Right Numbers In The Right Positions.

I wasn't aware of Dapo's numbers at previous clubs; I guess if he has a particular liking for #17, there's no reason to switch it, but I'd like to see him take #7. I think he'll play more regularly than Sads, and it always bugs me when "utility" players get first 11 numbers ahead of the star names. Not a slight against Sads, I think he's great, just a personal view.

But then, I'm a fan of players sticking with their original numbers unless a #1-#11 becomes available, and last summer there was almost a wholesale change in squad numbers. I wondered at the time how much of that was Evatt wanting to give the lowest numbers to the people he viewed as most important to the team. In which case, there might be another churn this time out...

Yeah, I was a stickler on Football Manager... until I played it so much I slipped a disc...

You might enjoy squadnumbers.com / twitter.com/squadnos for features, although I got the previous squad number info above via Transfermarkt – Google "[player] squad number history", and you can also check teams' historical number-wearers.

I do wonder whether the younger generation are less bothered about switching down numbers - Trent Alexander-Arnold at 66, Foden 47, Rice 41. Sadlier, being slightly older than Dapo, might be more bothered - certainly the fact he's switched down to 7 twice previously suggests so.

Can't recall last summer's numerical churn but I'm sure it fascinated me at the time - all the same, I think we're much more settled now.

[brommers95]

Can't see past Dapo for the #7. Moved in that direction last year from #30 to #17, which would be the obvious number choice for someone wanting an occupied #7 shirt, and #7 is the usual second choice for a maverick attacking midfielder (after #10, occupied by Charles).

Possibly. Wouldn't astonish me. But equally he might be happy with 17, a shirt in which he did well last season. It was also his shirt number at Solihull, while at Mansfield and Oldham he wore 18.

If both he and Sadlier request the 7, it's an interesting choice for Evatt to make - seniority or resale value?

(Thanks for engaging, BTW – glad to know it's not just me that thinks about these things)

Definitely not The squad number situation in visual form:

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[truewhite15]

Always a pleasure! Comes from a lifetime on FIFA and Football Manager, and a slightly anal desire to have The Right Numbers In The Right Positions.

I wasn't aware of Dapo's numbers at previous clubs; I guess if he has a particular liking for #17, there's no reason to switch it, but I'd like to see him take #7. I think he'll play more regularly than Sads, and it always bugs me when "utility" players get first 11 numbers ahead of the star names. Not a slight against Sads, I think he's great, just a personal view.

But then, I'm a fan of players sticking with their original numbers unless a #1-#11 becomes available, and last summer there was almost a wholesale change in squad numbers. I wondered at the time how much of that was Evatt wanting to give the lowest numbers to the people he viewed as most important to the team. In which case, there might be another churn this time out...

Yeah, I was a stickler on Football Manager... until I played it so much I slipped a disc...

You might enjoy squadnumbers.com / twitter.com/squadnos for features, although I got the previous squad number info above via Transfermarkt – Google "[player] squad number history", and you can also check teams' historical number-wearers.

I do wonder whether the younger generation are less bothered about switching down numbers - Trent Alexander-Arnold at 66, Foden 47, Rice 41. Sadlier, being slightly older than Dapo, might be more bothered - certainly the fact he's switched down to 7 twice previously suggests so.

Can't recall last summer's numerical churn but I'm sure it fascinated me at the time - all the same, I think we're much more settled now.

Oh, don't get me started. That's a horrendous craze. I can just about get on board with preferring a number that's sub-40 (see Anelka at #39, Gudjohnsen and Jaaskelainen at #22, Chungy at #27) but as a general rule youngsters should be targeting the first 11. If you've got a number above #40 it should mean you're a kid still wet behind the ears and nowhere near the first team.

[GhostoftheBok]

Delighted to see Trafford rock up again. Everything I'd heard was positive about him coming back, but then the same was true of Fossey and when that was wound up I got a bit twitchy about the goalkeeper situation. Good to have it done.

Also really pleased about the young lad from Wolves. He's apparently for the reserves and I don't know much about him, but the "Carty B" nickname is worth the transfer on its own.

[Mar]

I suspect that the people in charge at Bolton probably told other clubs at the start of the week that now was the latest we'd wait before looking to sign others. Paid off for Trafford and not so much for Fossey.

Shame but we move on. Hopefully we've got someone else lined up.

Given how pivotal that role was last season it'd be nice for us to get someone of real quality in.

[BWFC_Insane]

I suspect that the people in charge at Bolton probably told other clubs at the start of the week that now was the latest we'd wait before looking to sign others. Paid off for Trafford and not so much for Fossey.

Shame but we move on. Hopefully we've got someone else lined up.

Given how pivotal that role was last season it'd be nice for us to get someone of real quality in.

I doubt we gave any deadlines and it would certainly be utterly pointless giving Man City a deadline.

I suspect the issue is that championship clubs with more money are in for Fossey and we can’t afford to compete. And Fulham aren’t going to do us any favours. If things fell through I’m sure we’d be back in.

[The_Gun]

That Agent McGee Twitter account claims we’ve got a Fossey alternative lined up and it’s someone just back from international duty. He did also suggest last month that Fossey would be back, so shovel full of salt and all that.

[GhostoftheBok]

He did also suggest last month that Fossey would be back, so shovel full of salt and all that.

Last month that was reasonable. Things change quickly. I've no idea who "Agent McGee" is, though, so can't really say.

The obvious name is Brodie Spencer, if it's an international. A player we've kept tabs on and needs a loan.

[BWFC_Insane]

He did also suggest last month that Fossey would be back, so shovel full of salt and all that.

Last month that was reasonable. Things change quickly. I've no idea who "Agent McGee" is, though, so can't really say.

The obvious name is Brodie Spencer, if it's an international. A player we've kept tabs on and needs a loan.

Whoever it is let’s hope they bring the relevant attributes that balances the system out. Pace, strength and the drive to keep beating their man on the outside. That’s what is required. Whoever we get has to be electric going forwards.

[Mar]

I suspect that the people in charge at Bolton probably told other clubs at the start of the week that now was the latest we'd wait before looking to sign others. Paid off for Trafford and not so much for Fossey.

Shame but we move on. Hopefully we've got someone else lined up.

Given how pivotal that role was last season it'd be nice for us to get someone of real quality in.

I doubt we gave any deadlines and it would certainly be utterly pointless giving Man City a deadline.

I suspect the issue is that championship clubs with more money are in for Fossey and we can’t afford to compete. And Fulham aren’t going to do us any favours. If things fell through I’m sure we’d be back in.

I think the whole deadline idea is based upon giving them a clear indication of our intentions regarding transfers. It would be clear to Man City that Traffords possibility of first team football would be severely dinted. Just look at the benefits they reaped with Bazunu. It's worth their while to ensure we don't look elsewhere. But you are right they don't have to adhere to it but that's not to say they are not impacted by it.

Of course we'd be back in for Fossey. Think the deciding factor is cost and league position.

[GhostoftheBok]

Whoever it is let’s hope they bring the relevant attributes that balances the system out. Pace, strength and the drive to keep beating their man on the outside. That’s what is required. Whoever we get has to be electric going forwards.

They have to fit into a tactical system. Last season we made the most of Fossey's traits. Next season we might tweak things to make the most of other qualities, now we've missed him. You'd imagine that, having been in for Fossey, we'd want to emulate what he offered; but not necessarily.

I'll judge once we've seen the squad as a whole take shape and even then I'll want to see some of how we use the new lads.

[BWFC_Insane]

Whoever it is let’s hope they bring the relevant attributes that balances the system out. Pace, strength and the drive to keep beating their man on the outside. That’s what is required. Whoever we get has to be electric going forwards.

They have to fit into a tactical system. Last season we made the most of Fossey's traits. Next season we might tweak things to make the most of other qualities, now we've missed him. You'd imagine that, having been in for Fossey, we'd want to emulate what he offered; but not necessarily.

I'll judge once we've seen the squad as a whole take shape and even then I'll want to see some of how we use the new lads.

In the system you need that threat out wide. That electricity. Otherwise you become narrow and suffer from a lack of penetration.

John offers lots but isn’t going to stretch teams on the outside from a standing start. So we need that on the other side. Or the system becomes too predictable and dull, in my opinion. We have great forwards so can win games with that but still I think we looked a much more static and less dynamic side without Fossey and we must find those qualities in a player or switch systems. In my opinion.