Deal or no deal? - Summer 2022 Transfer gossip!

[nicholaldo]

A 3 year deal for Connell seems excessive. He's played less first team footy than Darcy since they broke through together

Connell's played slightly more, if we go by appearances alone.

I suppose it ultimately depends on the salary offered when it comes to whether or not the contract signed is excessive, however Connell was at one stage considered to have a high enough potential ceiling to convince Celtic to pay a transfer fee and he's also still underage this season, whereas as Darcy wasn't and isn't.

[GhostoftheBok]

Tucker to MK Dons is official. The story is we were heavily pushing for that one. If that's the case you'd expect to see something like a Fossey situation, where we rapidly move to try and secure 2nd or 3rd choice.

Tucker should have been our primary target in this market and if he was then losing him to MK is huge.

[Harry Genshaw]

A 3 year deal for Connell seems excessive. He's played less first team footy than Darcy since they broke through together

Connell's played slightly more, if we go by appearances alone.

I suppose it ultimately depends on the salary offered when it comes to whether or not the contract signed is excessive, however Connell was at one stage considered to have a high enough potential ceiling to convince Celtic to pay a transfer fee and he's also still underage this season, whereas as Darcy wasn't and isn't.

Negligible but Darcys played more games at a higher level and there's 12 months between them. I'd be disappointed if we were offering Ronan or similar a 3 year deal but I suppose Barnsley have a bit more cash to splash.

[BWFC_Insane]

Tucker to MK Dons is official. The story is we were heavily pushing for that one. If that's the case you'd expect to see something like a Fossey situation, where we rapidly move to try and secure 2nd or 3rd choice.

Tucker should have been our primary target in this market and if he was then losing him to MK is huge.

I’ve seen summers where we’ve missed out on about 10 top targets as Allardyce entertained them at Northcote etc and they all disappeared off, some being chased round Paris by Big Sam and Gartside. And still we finished top 8 of the premiership.

It will happen because for all the good they’ve done FV still aren’t going to bankroll us to pay silly money. Nor should they. Still a young lad and perhaps geography played a part too.

It’s obviously been a struggle to land our targets this summer as is obvious from the lack of activity vs the statement of intent as the season finished. But as you will agree when you need quality over quantity that will be the case. If they’ve anything about them they will have plenty of backup plans in place.

[Bruce Rioja]

Oh I've heard of that one

Don't lie. Nobody has heard of some reserve player from Scotland.

Sorry, I should've abbreviated his name.

[nicholaldo]

A 3 year deal for Connell seems excessive. He's played less first team footy than Darcy since they broke through together

Connell's played slightly more, if we go by appearances alone.

I suppose it ultimately depends on the salary offered when it comes to whether or not the contract signed is excessive, however Connell was at one stage considered to have a high enough potential ceiling to convince Celtic to pay a transfer fee and he's also still underage this season, whereas as Darcy wasn't and isn't.

Negligible but Darcys played more games at a higher level and there's 12 months between them. I'd be disappointed if we were offering Ronan or similar a 3 year deal but I suppose Barnsley have a bit more cash to splash.

I guess the counter-argument would be that the bulk of Connell's appearances have been in the last season, with him being a mainstay whilst out on loan and, to all intents and purposes, appears to have demonstrated he's capable of making a step up.

Darcy, unfortunately, hasn't kicked on despite a bright start here.

[nicholaldo]

Tucker to MK Dons is official. The story is we were heavily pushing for that one. If that's the case you'd expect to see something like a Fossey situation, where we rapidly move to try and secure 2nd or 3rd choice.

Tucker should have been our primary target in this market and if he was then losing him to MK is huge.

I’ve seen summers where we’ve missed out on about 10 top targets as Allardyce entertained them at Northcote etc and they all disappeared off, some being chased round Paris by Big Sam and Gartside. And still we finished top 8 of the premiership.

It will happen because for all the good they’ve done FV still aren’t going to bankroll us to pay silly money. Nor should they. Still a young lad and perhaps geography played a part too.

It’s obviously been a struggle to land our targets this summer as is obvious from the lack of activity vs the statement of intent as the season finished. But as you will agree when you need quality over quantity that will be the case. If they’ve anything about them they will have plenty of backup plans in place.

I think the comment re. us getting our business done early might've been another example of the naivety/hubris we've previously seen from Evatt.

[GhostoftheBok]

I’ve seen summers where we’ve missed out on about 10 top targets as Allardyce entertained them at Northcote etc and they all disappeared off, some being chased round Paris by Big Sam and Gartside. And still we finished top 8 of the premiership.

It will happen because for all the good they’ve done FV still aren’t going to bankroll us to pay silly money. Nor should they. Still a young lad and perhaps geography played a part too.

It’s obviously been a struggle to land our targets this summer as is obvious from the lack of activity vs the statement of intent as the season finished. But as you will agree when you need quality over quantity that will be the case. If they’ve anything about them they will have plenty of backup plans in place.

"Champagne football on beer money" was how someone phrased it to me today.

I've no issue with it, but we need to be realistic in that if we lose too many top targets to direct rivals Evatt will have his work cut out.

Finishing 8th in the Prem was a phenomenal achievement. Finishing 8th in League One next season....not so much.

Per a conversation I had this afternoon, we are offering less than agents expected. That's causing them to shop around for better offers. Players who were keen on the switch and would have shown up by now are stalling.

[BWFC_Insane]

I’ve seen summers where we’ve missed out on about 10 top targets as Allardyce entertained them at Northcote etc and they all disappeared off, some being chased round Paris by Big Sam and Gartside. And still we finished top 8 of the premiership.

It will happen because for all the good they’ve done FV still aren’t going to bankroll us to pay silly money. Nor should they. Still a young lad and perhaps geography played a part too.

It’s obviously been a struggle to land our targets this summer as is obvious from the lack of activity vs the statement of intent as the season finished. But as you will agree when you need quality over quantity that will be the case. If they’ve anything about them they will have plenty of backup plans in place.

"Champagne football on beer money" was how someone phrased it to me today.

I've no issue with it, but we need to be realistic in that if we lose too many top targets to direct rivals Evatt will have his work cut out.

Finishing 8th in the Prem was a phenomenal achievement. Finishing 8th in League One next season....not so much.

Per a conversation I had this afternoon, we are offering less than agents expected. That's causing them to shop around for better offers. Players who were keen on the switch and would have shown up by now are stalling.

We will likely be in top 6 wage spenders when all is said and done. It’s not beer money. We just can’t throw silly amounts at it.

I do wonder how much the B side is taking out of the budget. I remain fully of the view it’s ludicrous to be recruiting for it. And nobody can convince me otherwise. Unless they can explain that it in no way impacts the budget available for the first team.

[TANGODANCER]

I do wonder how much the B side is taking out of the budget. I remain fully of the view it’s ludicrous to be recruiting for it. And nobody can convince me otherwise. Unless they can explain that it in no way impacts the budget available for the first team.

Go Insaney, you shoot em down. Obvious Sharon and co don't know what they're doing..

[GhostoftheBok]

We will likely be in top 6 wage spenders when all is said and done. It’s not beer money. We just can’t throw silly amounts at it.

I do wonder how much the B side is taking out of the budget. I remain fully of the view it’s ludicrous to be recruiting for it. And nobody can convince me otherwise. Unless they can explain that it in no way impacts the budget available for the first team.

I think we'll be 8th or 9th on football spending over the 12 months, but that factors in more than wages.

Not having a B Team isn't financially neutral. We'd lose money by releasing playing assets. That's both years of development work down the tubes and a real world financial hit. Those players have sale potential in the future, but they are also playing assets when accounting for the club value right now. The value of the club matters when sorting out finance and an additional 15-18 professionals will make a difference there.

When you factor in how low the wages are and that the lads agents (in the cases where they have them at all) have waved their fees in order to get them on pro terms, you're talking very little outlay compared to the benefits. That's before you factor in the ability to then run with a slightly smaller first team squad due to having emergency depth in the Bs.

[GhostoftheBok]

Iles says in today's piece that Bradley is basically done, which is a relief. There were some mutterings out of Liverpool that there was a hiccup, so we've hopefully got that sorted.

I've seen the "Didn't want to move north" stuff in a couple of places. I think it's correctly "Wouldn't move north for what was being offered."

Other than that it's what we already knew. Tucker was the main target, we pushed for him and couldn't get it done. Shame.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ck-tucker/

[Harry Genshaw]

The club managed to keep their long term interest quiet. I hadn't heard mention of the lad prior to yesterday.

A centre half in a relegated side, with such limited ambitions he chose MK Dons over several suitors? Meh. Dodged a bullet there I reckon.

[officer_dibble]

What I’m struggling with is why McDons needed a new Centre half? Thought all 3 of theirs looked solid last season. Presumably they will have some cash to spend soon when Twine goes as well, have to hope they waste that!

[GhostoftheBok]

What I’m struggling with is why McDons needed a new Centre half?

Tucker is regarded as one of the top defensive talents outside the Premier League. They've signed him because they think he'll make them significantly better and be worth a lot of money in a season or two.

[BWFC_Insane]

The club managed to keep their long term interest quiet. I hadn't heard mention of the lad prior to yesterday.

A centre half in a relegated side, with such limited ambitions he chose MK Dons over several suitors? Meh. Dodged a bullet there I reckon.

Yeah. It’s hardly something I’d be too concerned about. Part of a usual summer. Miss out on a few. Tests your recruitment. But will happen at literally every club.

[TonyDomingos]

What I’m struggling with is why McDons needed a new Centre half?

Tucker is regarded as one of the top defensive talents outside the Premier League. They've signed him because they think he'll make them significantly better and be worth a lot of money in a season or two.

MKD are on the verge of losing one of their centre halves, Harry Darling, to the Championship. I assume, therefore, that Tucker - who isn't moving up a league - isn't quite as good as Darling at this moment in time. So, overall, MKD could be little weaker than they were at the end of last season. Obvs, that's just speculation on my part. I'd never heard of either player until yesterday!

[GhostoftheBok]

The issue with a quality over quantity summer is that you'd better be signing better players than your rivals.

If you lose your main target to a rival, that's just obviously bad.

[GhostoftheBok]

MKD are on the verge of losing one of their centre halves, Harry Darling, to the Championship. I assume, therefore, that Tucker - who isn't moving up a league - isn't quite as good as Darling at this moment in time. So, overall, MKD could be little weaker than they were at the end of last season. Obvs, that's just speculation on my part. I'd never heard of either player until yesterday!

Darling may well end up going to Swansea now Tucker is done, but they wanted him regardless.

The issue with Dons being weakened is, if it happens, they are being weakened in exchange for a lot of money - which gives them loads of flexibility in the market.

[Bruce Rioja]

So, if we were to put every player in their favoured/natural position (I'm still not sure which is Sadlier's position, but how good it is to have the lad on board) which positions do we still need to strengthen?