The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

Here is Tom Kerridge. He’s a chef. A good one. Explaining the disaster of Brexit on his industry and the economy. And why his industry and the economy needs more migration.

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/15 ... j6CGnauzdA

Though this is in no way definitive, of course, I certainly think it warrants a post.

I've spent the past couple of days on our company's stand at an international trade show at the NEC.

100% of the third-year mechanical engineering students who'd taken both the time and the effort to travel from their universities, from all over Britain, to hawk themselves round looking for post-graduation employment opportunities were either eastern Asian, southern Asian, or African. Also, around 25% of those were female.

Just thought it worth mentioning.

[nicholaldo]

Here is Tom Kerridge. He’s a chef. A good one. Explaining the disaster of Brexit on his industry and the economy. And why his industry and the economy needs more migration.

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/15 ... j6CGnauzdA

Though this is in no way definitive, of course, I certainly think it warrants a post.

I've spent the past couple of days on our company's stand at an international trade show at the NEC.

100% of the third-year mechanical engineering students who'd taken both the time and the effort to travel from their universities, from all over Britain, to hawk themselves round looking for post-graduation employment opportunities were either eastern Asian, southern Asian, or African. Also, around 25% of those were female.

Just thought it worth mentioning.

As is common with people from the backgrounds referred to, they will have grown up in family environments that place a strong emphasis on education.

[Bruce Rioja]

Here is Tom Kerridge. He’s a chef. A good one. Explaining the disaster of Brexit on his industry and the economy. And why his industry and the economy needs more migration.

https://twitter.com/itvpeston/status/15 ... j6CGnauzdA

Though this is in no way definitive, of course, I certainly think it warrants a post.

I've spent the past couple of days on our company's stand at an international trade show at the NEC.

100% of the third-year mechanical engineering students who'd taken both the time and the effort to travel from their universities, from all over Britain, to hawk themselves round looking for post-graduation employment opportunities were either eastern Asian, southern Asian, or African. Also, around 25% of those were female.

Just thought it worth mentioning.

As is common with people from the backgrounds referred to, they will have grown up in family environments that place a strong emphasis on education.

Indeed, though what I was mainly referring to is that as well as the initiative, they'd taken the time and the trouble (and expense) to present themselves to a few hundred potential employers. Well done them.

[jimbo]

20000th reply on this thread, and why not use it to proclaim the return of Gavin Williamson to cabinet! As Insane said, I thought Sunak might be quite sensible but he’s brought a few mad ones back.

I think it’s fair to say he went as well as could be expected this time.

[Hoboh]

I hope they don't put rats in with Hancock tonight, he'll think he's in the commons with his mates.

[Worthy4England]

I hope they don't put rats in with Hancock tonight, he'll think he's in the commons with his mates.

They should have invited Mad Nad back and put her in with him.

[Bruce Rioja]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

Or as James O Brien put it ‘vote for the leopards eating your face party, then complain when leopards are eating your face’.

[Worthy4England]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

I nearly posted on this one, but everyone knows I was against Brexit, not because I had some deep seated affinity to Europe, but because there was no fcking plan. For shitloads of it. It's an absolute fcuk up. So go wave yer flag (not directed at you Brucie )

[Bruce Rioja]

So go wave yer flag (not directed at you Brucie )

I should hope it isn't!

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

I nearly posted on this one, but everyone knows I was against Brexit, not because I had some deep seated affinity to Europe, but because there was no fcking plan. For shitloads of it. It's an absolute fcuk up. So go wave yer flag (not directed at you Brucie )

Yeah this. I’ve no issue with the politics of being in or out the EU isn’t some magical wonderland. But being out was based on a bunch of liars playing a game to win votes and had no substance. The real issues were never tackled and now we’ve left never have been tackled. They are now saying they didn’t understand the deal they signed and spent months winning an election off the back of. I don’t know how anyone could come to any conclusion other than it was the biggest ever con trick in history. Pulled on the British public.

[TANGODANCER]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

I nearly posted on this one, but everyone knows I was against Brexit, not because I had some deep seated affinity to Europe, but because there was no fcking plan. For shitloads of it. It's an absolute fcuk up. So go wave yer flag (not directed at you Brucie )

Yeah this. I’ve no issue with the politics of being in or out the EU isn’t some magical wonderland. But being out was based on a bunch of liars playing a game to win votes and had no substance. The real issues were never tackled and now we’ve left never have been tackled. They are now saying they didn’t understand the deal they signed and spent months winning an election off the back of. I don’t know how anyone could come to any conclusion other than it was the biggest ever con trick in history. Pulled on the British public.

Pulled on by whom exactly? In the end, was it not a general election?

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

I nearly posted on this one, but everyone knows I was against Brexit, not because I had some deep seated affinity to Europe, but because there was no fcking plan. For shitloads of it. It's an absolute fcuk up. So go wave yer flag (not directed at you Brucie )

Yeah this. I’ve no issue with the politics of being in or out the EU isn’t some magical wonderland. But being out was based on a bunch of liars playing a game to win votes and had no substance. The real issues were never tackled and now we’ve left never have been tackled. They are now saying they didn’t understand the deal they signed and spent months winning an election off the back of. I don’t know how anyone could come to any conclusion other than it was the biggest ever con trick in history. Pulled on the British public.

Pulled on by whom exactly? In the end, was it not a general election?

By those who campaigned for Brexit in the referendum. The liars and charlatans who said there would be no impact and refused to ever define what it meant so for example the continued line of ‘of course Brexit doesn’t mean we will be out of the single market’ before a year later telling the opposite lie of ‘everyone who voted for Brexit knew it meant leaving the single market’.

By the data manipulators who possibly unlawfully certainly without morality exploited online data and systems to target the most vulnerable and swamp them with misinformation.

A con trick. And how many of those who pulled that trick subsequently made fortunes shorting the pound as our position has worsened and worsened?

[BWFC_Insane]

Just to add to the above. U.K. economic performance since Brexit is a G7 outlier. We are the only ones failing this hard.

So we’ve all had covid, and the war to deal with. Indeed in the U.K. we are more shielding to the war than some other G7 members.

So pray tell, what is different about the U.K.? Couldn’t surely be that we’ve…you know….exited the biggest free trade deal in the world with no plan could it?

https://twitter.com/faisalislam/status/ ... eleno4CvRw

[boltonboris]

Oh, how could this possibly be? Baron Wolfson of Aspley Guise, the CEO of Next and one of the pro Brexit campaign's biggest gobs, is now desperately pleading with the government to relax immigration rules because he can't find enough workers to shift his shit.
Wonder if he was another banging the 'yeah but sovereignty' drum?

He wants immigrants on casual working visa's too, so he can pay them less than minimum wage

[jimbo]

Wes Streeting’s article today is one of the most Poorly informed pieces I’ve ever read. I was hopeful we’d be getting a labour government but this makes me slightly terrified by the prospect!

[BWFC_Insane]

Wes Streeting’s article today is one of the most Poorly informed pieces I’ve ever read. I was hopeful we’d be getting a labour government but this makes me slightly terrified by the prospect!

About GPs? It’s contentious but having worked alongside the NHS a long while ago I think it’s worth considering. He’s not promising to do it but considering it and some of the issues he raises are absolutely worth looking at.

[Worthy4England]

Wes Streeting’s article today is one of the most Poorly informed pieces I’ve ever read. I was hopeful we’d be getting a labour government but this makes me slightly terrified by the prospect!

I think any government has a real problem with the NHS. If I shift around the politics a bit, as one of the many paying for the service around half my tax goes to pay for it (as with every other tax payer). On many fronts it does a great job. My missus over the last few years has had multiple cancers and they've dealt with them brilliantly (overall with the odd hiccup). I'm happy to applaud the folks who were on the front line of COVID (and we need to pay them more). So really not knocking the NHS workers at all. But. It feels really broken in a lot of places at the moment on the periphery to the people trying to access its services. People can't get GP's appointments easily, people can't find dentists, there are dementia patients taking up beds in hospitals which isn't the right place for them, as out of hours services belong to no-one, people who don't need to, rock up at A&E, which then compromises A&E. This list feels like it could be a lot longer. Things like knee ops can take a year and a half to get done, against a rising retirement age, more people are affected as they still need to be working, longer.

To head off the obvious narrative, privatization is not the answer. We've seen across pretty much every privatized industry, a history of failure, government prop-up interventions whilst at the same time, businesses are returning shareholder value to the few shareholders at the expense of to the customers/consumers/clients (whatever we wanna call them) boils down to people who are paying for the service. But, we do need a radical rethink about the NHS, it's purpose and how we achieve it's aims....

[BWFC_Insane]

The NHS is 2009/10 was the absolute pinnacle by most statistics. It was very very good. Had huge patient satisfaction and low waiting lists.

The reorganisation that Cameron said wouldn’t happen but did is what killed it.

Streeting is right to an extent about GPS they are running practices which are hugely complex businesses requiring significant servicing from other parts of the NHS with a boat load of admin on top when they could just be doctors. CCGs have failed. It’s time we go back to a more consistent approach to primary care and secondary care. Whether that needs GPs to be in the NHS or not is I think at least worth examination and consultation.

The idea that pharmacies do more is also a model that exists very happily across Europe and reduces primary and secondary care demand and is something that is just common sense.

[Worthy4England]

Sorta doesn't matter where it was 14 years ago (by the time the next election comes), it's how to repair it now. The amount we're spending on healthcare are a % of GDP has actually stayed the same for most of that time. I genuinely don't care much about the politics of it. It's too important a service. Just needs fixing.

It feels to me like we're over-complicating too many services. When you see your GP, they can no longer take a fcking blood sample - off you pop to a clinic some miles away and they'll do it. Who dreamt that clusterfcuk up? Things like "freezing a wart" now require a hospital appointment. It's nonsensical, you want to fix as many things as possible on that first contact. But because there aren't enough GPs, they simplify first contact as far as possible to do little other than pass you onto six other agencies. If I need a flu jab, I don't really care who the fcuk does it.

The other thing that really annoys me. When you're in hospital, your GP still "owns you" as a patient (broadly) and is supposed to try and co-ordinate between various hospital specialisms. For me when you're in hospital, the baton should move to a hospital based clinician who oversees everything that needs doing. At the moment, you end up trying to project manage your own care. It's screwed.