By Order of The Peaky Blinders. Away to Brum Tues Oct 22nd 19-45.

[BWFC_Insane]

Me as well. To be fair, not sure what would shift the dial to positive he can take us up. Unfortunately there's lots of opportunity to reinforce he can't.

Winning 4-0 would help. But as I say I've got a feeling it won't happen...

Maybe, maybe losing 0-5 would move the dial among the suits (the other way, obvz). If – and it's not a world I want to see; just theorising - if we then lost at home to Posh on Saturday and the atmosphere turned, Sharon etc will not just realise that many fans think he can't do it, but start to think that they may well be right.

If we cast our minds back, not just to post-Huddersfield but post-Oxford, we'll remember that the doubt was whether we could win enough Big Games to go up. Beating the small fry wasn't in question. Which is why after Huddersfield I said he had to win every game bar Arsenal until Birmingham, and then this run of top-end opponents - Brum, Posh, Stockport (Rotherham will be postponed for internationals) - would be the true test. Truth be told, we've not even looked reliably like beating the small fry.

Brum away might be the hardest task in this season or many others, but when I asked (you and generally) whether top-six was good enough it wasn't just idle speculation. What does Sharon think?

Winning 4-0 wouldn't convince me now, mate. I think we have a decent L1 squad. We can win games of football. I still, despite us trying hard to put contrary evidence in front of me, think we'll finish top 6. I don't think he gets us up.

I've been trying to find Shazza's post-Oxford interview. I think there were some clues in there.

The squad is very good but lacks any winning mentality or real drive because the manager instils none. We will win games because of the quality we have. But it’s held back by the management and coaching setup.

"Thomason is self made.

The rest of the names don’t impress me. Santos is not a great defender and has not got better. Sheehan is indulged enough to put in decent performances but has not improved to my eyes on the player we signed."

From another thread. Make your mind up ffs.

Evatt has had the luxury of signing players of real quality. He’s enjoyed spending money that is rare in my time watching the club. He has four excellent strikers for this level. A half decent manager would promote a club with one or maybe two. He has four of the best strikers in this league. Excellent players with quality. None have got much better with him as manager. They came as very good player for this level and still are. All evatt has managed to do is introduce more inconsistency into their games.

Wouldn’t take a very good manager or even an average one to get this side up. Evatt had a side with Trafford and Bradley in and couldn’t promote it out of this league.

It’s simple. He is a drag on results. Not. Propellant.

[Worthy4England]

If we win then I suspect it'll be "a fluke", if we draw, "not good enough", if we lose, "I told you so".

Bollocks to the "excuses" like players out and they've spent 40 million. Evatt has had 5 years and a few transfer windows and should have this team absolutely destroying this league.

Please let me know if I've missed anything.

How long you got?

Should we start with "In the beginning..." or you want something shorter?

FWIW, I don't expect us to win and probably wouldn't were we three points in front of 'em (although I'd probably be more hopeful). I do expect us to be competitive in this and all games.

We've played three of the current top 6 at home and have amassed 1 point from those games, conceding 6 and scoring 0. They haven't all spent 40 million. Some had injuries...

[DJBlu]

Me as well. To be fair, not sure what would shift the dial to positive he can take us up. Unfortunately there's lots of opportunity to reinforce he can't.

Winning 4-0 would help. But as I say I've got a feeling it won't happen...

Maybe, maybe losing 0-5 would move the dial among the suits (the other way, obvz). If – and it's not a world I want to see; just theorising - if we then lost at home to Posh on Saturday and the atmosphere turned, Sharon etc will not just realise that many fans think he can't do it, but start to think that they may well be right.

If we cast our minds back, not just to post-Huddersfield but post-Oxford, we'll remember that the doubt was whether we could win enough Big Games to go up. Beating the small fry wasn't in question. Which is why after Huddersfield I said he had to win every game bar Arsenal until Birmingham, and then this run of top-end opponents - Brum, Posh, Stockport (Rotherham will be postponed for internationals) - would be the true test. Truth be told, we've not even looked reliably like beating the small fry.

Brum away might be the hardest task in this season or many others, but when I asked (you and generally) whether top-six was good enough it wasn't just idle speculation. What does Sharon think?

Winning 4-0 wouldn't convince me now, mate. I think we have a decent L1 squad. We can win games of football. I still, despite us trying hard to put contrary evidence in front of me, think we'll finish top 6. I don't think he gets us up.

I've been trying to find Shazza's post-Oxford interview. I think there were some clues in there.

The squad is very good but lacks any winning mentality or real drive because the manager instils none. We will win games because of the quality we have. But it’s held back by the management and coaching setup.

"Thomason is self made.

The rest of the names don’t impress me. Santos is not a great defender and has not got better. Sheehan is indulged enough to put in decent performances but has not improved to my eyes on the player we signed."

From another thread. Make your mind up ffs.

Evatt has had the luxury of signing players of real quality. He’s enjoyed spending money that is rare in my time watching the club. He has four excellent strikers for this level. A half decent manager would promote a club with one or maybe two. He has four of the best strikers in this league. Excellent players with quality. None have got much better with him as manager. They came as very good player for this level and still are. All evatt has managed to do is introduce more inconsistency into their games.

Wouldn’t take a very good manager or even an average one to get this side up. Evatt had a side with Trafford and Bradley in and couldn’t promote it out of this league.

It’s simple. He is a drag on results. Not. Propellant.

What the feck has Evatt got to do with you saying the players are and are not good?

Just admit you don't know what you're saying.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I’m at the point where every hour this man is still here is a negative for the club.

No shit! Why didn’t you say something?

[BWFC_Insane]

Me as well. To be fair, not sure what would shift the dial to positive he can take us up. Unfortunately there's lots of opportunity to reinforce he can't.

Winning 4-0 would help. But as I say I've got a feeling it won't happen...

Maybe, maybe losing 0-5 would move the dial among the suits (the other way, obvz). If – and it's not a world I want to see; just theorising - if we then lost at home to Posh on Saturday and the atmosphere turned, Sharon etc will not just realise that many fans think he can't do it, but start to think that they may well be right.

If we cast our minds back, not just to post-Huddersfield but post-Oxford, we'll remember that the doubt was whether we could win enough Big Games to go up. Beating the small fry wasn't in question. Which is why after Huddersfield I said he had to win every game bar Arsenal until Birmingham, and then this run of top-end opponents - Brum, Posh, Stockport (Rotherham will be postponed for internationals) - would be the true test. Truth be told, we've not even looked reliably like beating the small fry.

Brum away might be the hardest task in this season or many others, but when I asked (you and generally) whether top-six was good enough it wasn't just idle speculation. What does Sharon think?

Winning 4-0 wouldn't convince me now, mate. I think we have a decent L1 squad. We can win games of football. I still, despite us trying hard to put contrary evidence in front of me, think we'll finish top 6. I don't think he gets us up.

I've been trying to find Shazza's post-Oxford interview. I think there were some clues in there.

The squad is very good but lacks any winning mentality or real drive because the manager instils none. We will win games because of the quality we have. But it’s held back by the management and coaching setup.

"Thomason is self made.

The rest of the names don’t impress me. Santos is not a great defender and has not got better. Sheehan is indulged enough to put in decent performances but has not improved to my eyes on the player we signed."

From another thread. Make your mind up ffs.

Evatt has had the luxury of signing players of real quality. He’s enjoyed spending money that is rare in my time watching the club. He has four excellent strikers for this level. A half decent manager would promote a club with one or maybe two. He has four of the best strikers in this league. Excellent players with quality. None have got much better with him as manager. They came as very good player for this level and still are. All evatt has managed to do is introduce more inconsistency into their games.

Wouldn’t take a very good manager or even an average one to get this side up. Evatt had a side with Trafford and Bradley in and couldn’t promote it out of this league.

It’s simple. He is a drag on results. Not. Propellant.

What the feck has Evatt got to do with you saying the players are and are not good?

Just admit you don't know what you're saying.

I can’t be bothered with this. If words improvement and quality and underperformance all mean exactly the same thing, then sure. Have an internet point. You definitely need a few trying to tell everyone Evatt is a good manager who will take us to the promised land for the last three seasons.
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[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

[truewhite15]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

That doesn't suit today's narrative, mate. Keep up.

[TANGODANCER]

I can’t be bothered with this. If words improvement and quality and underperformance all mean exactly the same thing, then sure. Have an internet point. You definitely need a few trying to tell everyone Evatt is a good manager who will take us to the promised land for the last three seasons.
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So three different managers have managed that, not one persistently super one? Ah, maybe it's our turn next then . Three managers have also had clubs relegated. All swings and roundabouts. I'll stick with hoping..

[TANGODANCER]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

[Worthy4England]

I’m at the point where every hour this man is still here is a negative for the club.

No shit! Why didn’t you say something?

You need to give it another hour..

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

[BWFC_Insane]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

Kevin Davies played with a broken finger. This lot would be out for 6 months with that.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

Kevin Davies played with a broken finger. This lot would be out for 6 months with that.

To be fair, our other carthorse was playing injured too last season. I'm of course talking about our garbage centre back and ex captain...

[BWFC_Insane]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

Kevin Davies played with a broken finger. This lot would be out for 6 months with that.

To be fair, our other carthorse was playing injured too last season. I'm of course talking about our garbage centre back and ex captain...

Chipped fingernail?

[truewhite15]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

Kevin Davies played with a broken finger. This lot would be out for 6 months with that.

To be fair, our other carthorse was playing injured too last season. I'm of course talking about our garbage centre back and ex captain...

Chipped fingernail?

You're a f*cking parody account. Got to be.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

Kevin Davies played with a broken finger. This lot would be out for 6 months with that.

To be fair, our other carthorse was playing injured too last season. I'm of course talking about our garbage centre back and ex captain...

Chipped fingernail?

Just pointing out the hypocrisy in some of your posts. No one is saying all is well, but you're trying to find every piece of shit to fling when there is plenty enough shit already stinking the place out.

[BWFC_Insane]

Point of order. Wasn't Vic a carthorse when we signed him? Now he's one of the best in the division? Seems like someone at the club improved him...

Hey, I can remember Kev Davies being a carthorse with the turning circle of the Queen Mary. How time flies..


Ah, come on, call it quits, we're all fans. Let's focus on doing a decent job down the Potteries.

Yeah, but he was our carthorse

Kevin Davies played with a broken finger. This lot would be out for 6 months with that.

To be fair, our other carthorse was playing injured too last season. I'm of course talking about our garbage centre back and ex captain...

Chipped fingernail?

Just pointing out the hypocrisy in some of your posts. No one is saying all is well, but you're trying to find every piece of shit to fling when there is plenty enough shit already stinking the place out.

I’m enjoying the comparison of Kevin Davies who represented the club in the top flight, and in European competition twice, scoring, maybe our most famous goal in modern club history with errr Ricardo Santos.

But the point I’m trying to make is that for the level Evatt has been able to spend a lot of money on four strikers. They are all in the squad. All have individually cost more than we spent combined last time we exited league one at the top end. It’s a pretty luxurious place to be and all are good players in their way. We’ve got four. I can’t remember ever having four strikers who all were expensive and all came with double figure scoring records in this league. It’s an enviable place to be. Last time we exited this league we had one striker for half the season and two for the second half. That was it. And one of those was one of the worst players to have played for the club up to that point. You only really need one of these and build your side around them. The problem is currently we aren’t suiting any of them. Vic who cost a lot of money is a bit part. McAtee is playing in midfield. Collins has barely got going. And Dion is hot and cold.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I’m enjoying the comparison of Kevin Davies who represented the club in the top flight, and in European competition twice, scoring, maybe our most famous goal in modern club history with errr Ricardo Santos.

But the point I’m trying to make is that for the level Evatt has been able to spend a lot of money on four strikers. They are all in the squad. All have individually cost more than we spent combined last time we exited league one at the top end. It’s a pretty luxurious place to be and all are good players in their way. We’ve got four. I can’t remember ever having four strikers who all were expensive and all came with double figure scoring records in this league. It’s an enviable place to be. Last time we exited this league we had one striker for half the season and two for the second half. That was it. And one of those was one of the worst players to have played for the club up to that point. You only really need one of these and build your side around them. The problem is currently we aren’t suiting any of them. Vic who cost a lot of money is a bit part. McAtee is playing in midfield. Collins has barely got going. And Dion is hot and cold.

No one is saying Santos is better than Davies. Merely pointing out that that despite being gutless and lacking in effort Santos too played through injury and pain.

Btw Dion has always been hot and cold. I doubt you'll get many arguments about not using players properly, but bringing SKD into it isn't strengthening any point you're trying to make.

To recap. No one is disputing things are not good. Even Ghost acknowledges that we're failing at the moment. As shit as it was, at least we won. Plenty of time to piss and moan when we get battered by Birmingham

[BorsdaneWhite]

Went to Pompey and Derby and Barnsley last season. There was enough in those games to prove we can beat the top sides. But, in the league, we always looked a little naive.

I know we got bossed at Arsenal, but without the errors, the world class wingers, and some poor early finishing (which admittedly is EVERYTHING) the performance was smart. Can we do that—you know, the performance others always seem to do against us—and frustrate then take a couple of chances?

They’re looking tasty, perhaps they might even be complacent. I read on here about Pompey’s grinding out 2-1s and not battering teams 7-0 only to drop stupid points. Well, we just did that. Can we do it again?

[TANGODANCER]

Btw Dion has always been hot and cold. I doubt you'll get many arguments about not using players properly, but bringing SKD into it isn't strengthening any point you're trying to make.

Hands up, A.T., I was the guilty one for mentioning S.K.D, in the fist instance, not Insaney. Apologies for that.

All said, How I'd love to see my lifetime role model (after Nat of course) fronting the Whites right now. For that, I make no apology at all.