The Politics Thread

[Worthy4England]

And do you reckon Red Worthy is generally supportive of Labour's approach on housing or thinks it's just as misguided if not more so and more stupid than the last lot?

Stop nagging, I have Ambrosia to sup, and the croquet lawn needs some attention.

Phisst, what do you pay your servantsfor? Sack um if you have to do it, it's not on

See here you go making it up! I didn't say I was going to do it, just that it needed attention! Gardner, mate. Different part of the staff.

[Hoboh]

And do you reckon Red Worthy is generally supportive of Labour's approach on housing or thinks it's just as misguided if not more so and more stupid than the last lot?

Stop nagging, I have Ambrosia to sup, and the croquet lawn needs some attention.

Phisst, what do you pay your servantsfor? Sack um if you have to do it, it's not on

See here you go making it up! I didn't say I was going to do it, just that it needed attention! Gardner, mate. Different part of the staff.

Sorry
I thought your Gardner would be busy replanting the hectares with new carbon capture trees I apologise

[Worthy4England]

It's a team, because teamwork makes the dream work.

[Hoboh]

It's a team, because teamwork makes the dream work.

Ha! Got you, truly thou aren't Worthy, the magnificent individual

[Worthy4England]

It's a team, because teamwork makes the dream work.

Ha! Got you, truly thou aren't Worthy, the magnificent individual

It' a fair cop, on that one..

[BWFC_Insane]

I see that the US economy shrank for trumps first three months and now is at risk of recession having been in pretty, nay very good shape before.

Q4 their economy grew 2.4%.

Jan-March it shrank by 0.3%.

Has there ever been such a crazy meltdown. That’s before tarrifs even hit.

The idea that the right are the answer is completely ridiculous. What a mess these grifters have made.

Starmer has been far too weak on Trump. We should be exploiting his failure.

[Hoboh]

I see that the US economy shrank for trumps first three months and now is at risk of recession having been in pretty, nay very good shape before.

Q4 their economy grew 2.4%.

Jan-March it shrank by 0.3%.

Has there ever been such a crazy meltdown. That’s before tarrifs even hit.

The idea that the right are the answer is completely ridiculous. What a mess these grifters have made.

Starmer has been far too weak on Trump. We should be exploiting his failure.

Trump is proving himself to be a megalomaniac having a go at the whole world, yes some things want sorting but pouring a bucket of water over everything ain't clever.
As for 2tier being weak? His biggest weakness is not Trump but sucking up to granny's little boy in France, another megalomaniac who thinks he's Napoleon.
Oh and unless you are in the Islington luvvies club, this left leaning mob are doing very little for ordinary Joe's except bleeding us dry, pensioners, disabled, the youth via shrinking employment due to tax, net Zero, Yep, the true grifters really are making a bigger mess than just the streets of Birmingham.

[Worthy4England]

Certainly not a very good start to a term of government.

[BWFC_Insane]

I see that the US economy shrank for trumps first three months and now is at risk of recession having been in pretty, nay very good shape before.

Q4 their economy grew 2.4%.

Jan-March it shrank by 0.3%.

Has there ever been such a crazy meltdown. That’s before tarrifs even hit.

The idea that the right are the answer is completely ridiculous. What a mess these grifters have made.

Starmer has been far too weak on Trump. We should be exploiting his failure.

Trump is proving himself to be a megalomaniac having a go at the whole world, yes some things want sorting but pouring a bucket of water over everything ain't clever.
As for 2tier being weak? His biggest weakness is not Trump but sucking up to granny's little boy in France, another megalomaniac who thinks he's Napoleon.
Oh and unless you are in the Islington luvvies club, this left leaning mob are doing very little for ordinary Joe's except bleeding us dry, pensioners, disabled, the youth via shrinking employment due to tax, net Zero, Yep, the true grifters really are making a bigger mess than just the streets of Birmingham.

Oh please. Farage is clinging onto Trump for dear life - he’s there more than he is here hoping for an admiring glance from the orange buffoon. He said Liz Truss’ budget was the best since 1986.

Reform offer the exact same populist nonsense Trump has peddled and we can all see the implosion over there.

When times have been difficult populism always enjoys its moment but anyone who thinks the answers lie there are in for a very rude awakening.

Carney is showing the sort of leadership I think that is needed now. We should be looking to build robust economic and trading relationships with Canada and the EU and forming an economic ‘coalition of the willing’ I had hopes Starmer would realise this and I suspect he sort of has but feels very slow to move.

[Worthy4England]

I think the left are missing the point (as are most of the center right) and we're heading for the same trap as US. The fact that people voting for populism will (or won't) have a very rude awakening isn't really important in the scheme of things, unless you think you're going to convince them of that, before they place a vote for it and they change their voting intentions. It's a bit like telling your kids, not to drink too much or there'll be a hell of a hangover, most will still drink too much on at least one occasion in their life.

Labour won an election on 9.7m votes in what is widely acknowledged to be one of the most disproportionate elections of all time with the lowest vote share of any majority party on record. Effectively they won because the system is stacked for them and the two party state. They're going to need some serious changes to not get Toried at the next election...

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the left are missing the point (as are most of the center right) and we're heading for the same trap as US. The fact that people voting for populism will (or won't) have a very rude awakening isn't really important in the scheme of things, unless you think you're going to convince them of that, before they place a vote for it and they change their voting intentions. It's a bit like telling your kids, not to drink too much or there'll be a hell of a hangover, most will still drink too much on at least one occasion in their life.

Labour won an election on 9.7m votes in what is widely acknowledged to be one of the most disproportionate elections of all time with the lowest vote share of any majority party on record. Effectively they won because the system is stacked for them and the two party state. They're going to need some serious changes to not get Toried at the next election...

Sure but when you see these populist waves what in reality can a government do beyond point out what a disaster they’ve been historically and what a disaster they are in the present.

You can do whatever but like the democrats found (I mean look how successful their economy was) it won’t change the minds of those swept up in the wave.

[Worthy4England]

I think the left are missing the point (as are most of the center right) and we're heading for the same trap as US. The fact that people voting for populism will (or won't) have a very rude awakening isn't really important in the scheme of things, unless you think you're going to convince them of that, before they place a vote for it and they change their voting intentions. It's a bit like telling your kids, not to drink too much or there'll be a hell of a hangover, most will still drink too much on at least one occasion in their life.

Labour won an election on 9.7m votes in what is widely acknowledged to be one of the most disproportionate elections of all time with the lowest vote share of any majority party on record. Effectively they won because the system is stacked for them and the two party state. They're going to need some serious changes to not get Toried at the next election...

Sure but when you see these populist waves what in reality can a government do beyond point out what a disaster they’ve been historically and what a disaster they are in the present.

You can do whatever but like the democrats found (I mean look how successful their economy was) it won’t change the minds of those swept up in the wave.

Ok. Scratch that. They should just do nowt and await the inevitable.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think the left are missing the point (as are most of the center right) and we're heading for the same trap as US. The fact that people voting for populism will (or won't) have a very rude awakening isn't really important in the scheme of things, unless you think you're going to convince them of that, before they place a vote for it and they change their voting intentions. It's a bit like telling your kids, not to drink too much or there'll be a hell of a hangover, most will still drink too much on at least one occasion in their life.

Labour won an election on 9.7m votes in what is widely acknowledged to be one of the most disproportionate elections of all time with the lowest vote share of any majority party on record. Effectively they won because the system is stacked for them and the two party state. They're going to need some serious changes to not get Toried at the next election...

Sure but when you see these populist waves what in reality can a government do beyond point out what a disaster they’ve been historically and what a disaster they are in the present.

You can do whatever but like the democrats found (I mean look how successful their economy was) it won’t change the minds of those swept up in the wave.

Ok. Scratch that. They should just do nowt and await the inevitable.

The only way to stop reform is to build a coalition of voters opposed to them who are motivated to vote to stop them. Biden managed to do that. I can only really think of one way Labour could do that and it rhymes with momising do bedoin da me too.

[Hoboh]

You are beginning to sound like the attitude you had prior to Brexit BWFC_INSANE, it's all the fault of populism. Look at the reasons labour got elected in the first place, given the numbers turnout, I seriously doubt it was anything to do with their policies, it was the mess the Conservative Party got into, failed to get a proper Brexit, Party gate, constantly changing leadership, failing to get to grips with migration and generally letting the more liberal minded in the Party hold too much sway. Labours one and only main crutch is the NHS, which if it was a private business would probably have entered receivership, without that, they have nothing.
There are loads of problems this country faces, much like many others, but people, the 'populist voters' are sick to the back teeth of all the serious political parties playing around the edges.
One example is irregular migrants, how come member of the ECHR, France, are happy to put them in tents but we use hotels and housing? People aren't thick and don't want this happening here. I know you will slate me for that example, but it is there in glaring evidence.
If all Reform do is wake up the Muppets, then it's all for the general good, sod left, right and centre, sort out the mess.

[BWFC_Insane]

You are beginning to sound like the attitude you had prior to Brexit BWFC_INSANE, it's all the fault of populism. Look at the reasons labour got elected in the first place, given the numbers turnout, I seriously doubt it was anything to do with their policies, it was the mess the Conservative Party got into, failed to get a proper Brexit, Party gate, constantly changing leadership, failing to get to grips with migration and generally letting the more liberal minded in the Party hold too much sway. Labours one and only main crutch is the NHS, which if it was a private business would probably have entered receivership, without that, they have nothing.
There are loads of problems this country faces, much like many others, but people, the 'populist voters' are sick to the back teeth of all the serious political parties playing around the edges.
One example is irregular migrants, how come member of the ECHR, France, are happy to put them in tents but we use hotels and housing? People aren't thick and don't want this happening here. I know you will slate me for that example, but it is there in glaring evidence.
If all Reform do is wake up the Muppets, then it's all for the general good, sod left, right and centre, sort out the mess.

We’ve seen it all before. Global economy hits a tough spot and the populists come out from under their rocks blaming ‘elites’ and burning books and academics and so on.

It’s happening now just as it happened before and it’s not new it’s a continuation of Brexit and the like.

People are right to be fed up but arriving at the wrong reasons why and the wrong answers. We see exactly this with Trump. ‘Blow up the system, drain the swamp’ nonsense and just look how that’s going. Prices rising. Economy failing.

But it doesn’t really matter cos like maga you aren’t going to listen to sense - just like you didn’t about Brexit. And we will like with Brexit all see the ramifications in a few years. A few migrants in tents or hotels ain’t going to change your life either way.

[Prufrock]

You don't get to blame the voters. The only way to halt reform is to take action to improve the things that are important to voters. A globalised world means that isn't always easy, and you're a bit in the lap of the gods. But that's the job.

They're 1 year into 5. They better have turned the ship around in 4 years or who knows.

[BWFC_Insane]

You don't get to blame the voters. The only way to halt reform is to take action to improve the things that are important to voters. A globalised world means that isn't always easy, and you're a bit in the lap of the gods. But that's the job.

They're 1 year into 5. They better have turned the ship around in 4 years or who knows.

People say this. But I think it’s gone beyond that. You aren’t putting the local economy of ‘insert northern town’ back to where it would need to be in 4 years for those voters to say ‘ok I’ve changed my mind’. Nor are you fixing public services and the economy and stopping immigration to point where I think it matters to those people.

Just like USA - didn’t work for the democrats can’t see it being enough here and Bidens economy outstrips anything we are likely to achieve.

[Worthy4England]

You don't get to blame the voters. The only way to halt reform is to take action to improve the things that are important to voters. A globalised world means that isn't always easy, and you're a bit in the lap of the gods. But that's the job.

They're 1 year into 5. They better have turned the ship around in 4 years or who knows.

Agree. Adapt or die.

[BWFC_Insane]

You don't get to blame the voters. The only way to halt reform is to take action to improve the things that are important to voters. A globalised world means that isn't always easy, and you're a bit in the lap of the gods. But that's the job.

They're 1 year into 5. They better have turned the ship around in 4 years or who knows.

Agree. Adapt or die.

Adapt to what though? Half the people are screaming at them to deport everyone who might have any trace of non Anglo Saxon blood in their veins. Other half want socialism on steroids. So what is the way to adapt in your view? Given the constraints of the global economy and complete absence of any fiscal headroom- the latter only likely to get worse.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

They could start with a few things like...

Stop trying to be pound shop Tories
Stop trying to cut things from old and the vulnerable
Help councils fix some of the things people most want fixed
At least look like you're trying tax rich folk and big companies
Stop pretending Trump is going to do you anything approaching a favour
Tell Blair to climb under a rock and stay there. Or better yet, deport him Trump style
Stop telling everyone you're taking the tough decisions
Stop pretending you're going to growth your way out of this mess