The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

'British workers come last': Fury as employers who hire Indian workers are given a major tax break under Labour's free trade deal'

Ahhh, Labour, the party of the working man, well, as long as you ain't a native of these shores that is.

It’s not a tax break it’s allowing temporary workers (ones not here forever) to not pay NI contributions since they already pay into Indian pension schemes. But only for a max of three years.

This would be the pinnacle of all the free trade deals brexiteers told us we could do outside of the EU. As though free trade deals don’t have any quid pro quo. This is exactly it. And compared to what India were demanding we’ve got one hell of a deal.

The truth remains however that none of these deals comes close to the free trade deal we had as an EU member.

[Hoboh]

'British workers come last': Fury as employers who hire Indian workers are given a major tax break under Labour's free trade deal'

Ahhh, Labour, the party of the working man, well, as long as you ain't a native of these shores that is.

It’s not a tax break it’s allowing temporary workers (ones not here forever) to not pay NI contributions since they already pay into Indian pension schemes. But only for a max of three years.

This would be the pinnacle of all the free trade deals brexiteers told us we could do outside of the EU. As though free trade deals don’t have any quid pro quo. This is exactly it. And compared to what India were demanding we’ve got one hell of a deal.

The truth remains however that none of these deals comes close to the free trade deal we had as an EU member.

You mean after the £9.4 billion net or 1.2% of gdp we paid in to be a member of that free trade organisation in 2016?
I wonder how much the bill would be now?

[BWFC_Insane]

'British workers come last': Fury as employers who hire Indian workers are given a major tax break under Labour's free trade deal'

Ahhh, Labour, the party of the working man, well, as long as you ain't a native of these shores that is.

It’s not a tax break it’s allowing temporary workers (ones not here forever) to not pay NI contributions since they already pay into Indian pension schemes. But only for a max of three years.

This would be the pinnacle of all the free trade deals brexiteers told us we could do outside of the EU. As though free trade deals don’t have any quid pro quo. This is exactly it. And compared to what India were demanding we’ve got one hell of a deal.

The truth remains however that none of these deals comes close to the free trade deal we had as an EU member.

You mean after the £9.4 billion net or 1.2% of gdp we paid in to be a member of that free trade organisation in 2016?
I wonder how much the bill would be now?

And that membership fee benefitted us to the tune of £32Bn per year. That’s the shortfall we are now losing out on. And a conservative estimate at that.

Edit: Indeed it transpires that they pay the exact same social security rate in India for their state pension so why should Indian workers pay twice if they work here for a year? And indeed British workers who work in India - since this is reciprocal?

[Prufrock]

Brexit means Brexit.

Trade deals without trade offs.

[Worthy4England]

^^ We should not be doing trade, but instead, focus on growing our own gold mines.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Gold mines are for the peasants. We're GREAT Britain and should be growing diamond mines and creating unicorn farms.

[Hoboh]

'British workers come last': Fury as employers who hire Indian workers are given a major tax break under Labour's free trade deal'

Ahhh, Labour, the party of the working man, well, as long as you ain't a native of these shores that is.

It’s not a tax break it’s allowing temporary workers (ones not here forever) to not pay NI contributions since they already pay into Indian pension schemes. But only for a max of three years.

This would be the pinnacle of all the free trade deals brexiteers told us we could do outside of the EU. As though free trade deals don’t have any quid pro quo. This is exactly it. And compared to what India were demanding we’ve got one hell of a deal.

The truth remains however that none of these deals comes close to the free trade deal we had as an EU member.

You mean after the £9.4 billion net or 1.2% of gdp we paid in to be a member of that free trade organisation in 2016?
I wonder how much the bill would be now?

And that membership fee benefitted us to the tune of £32Bn per year. That’s the shortfall we are now losing out on. And a conservative estimate at that.

Edit: Indeed it transpires that they pay the exact same social security rate in India for their state pension so why should Indian workers pay twice if they work here for a year? And indeed British workers who work in India - since this is reciprocal?

Mmm same EU we had a trade deficit of 86 billion with in 2016? Yep, I can see exactly whom benefited from our paid membership!

[Prufrock]

Alright Donald. You know that for that £86bn we got £86bn worth of stuff? We didn't just write a big cheque.

[Worthy4England]

Coulda sworn the EU were "shitting it?" at the thought of us leaving? It's increased since 2016. Well done Brexit!

Baaaaaaaa.....

[BWFC_Insane]

'British workers come last': Fury as employers who hire Indian workers are given a major tax break under Labour's free trade deal'

Ahhh, Labour, the party of the working man, well, as long as you ain't a native of these shores that is.

It’s not a tax break it’s allowing temporary workers (ones not here forever) to not pay NI contributions since they already pay into Indian pension schemes. But only for a max of three years.

This would be the pinnacle of all the free trade deals brexiteers told us we could do outside of the EU. As though free trade deals don’t have any quid pro quo. This is exactly it. And compared to what India were demanding we’ve got one hell of a deal.

The truth remains however that none of these deals comes close to the free trade deal we had as an EU member.

You mean after the £9.4 billion net or 1.2% of gdp we paid in to be a member of that free trade organisation in 2016?
I wonder how much the bill would be now?

And that membership fee benefitted us to the tune of £32Bn per year. That’s the shortfall we are now losing out on. And a conservative estimate at that.

Edit: Indeed it transpires that they pay the exact same social security rate in India for their state pension so why should Indian workers pay twice if they work here for a year? And indeed British workers who work in India - since this is reciprocal?

Mmm same EU we had a trade deficit of 86 billion with in 2016? Yep, I can see exactly whom benefited from our paid membership!

I can’t believe I have to explain this but…the EU are a very large economy…compared to the UK. They make a lot of stuff we want to buy. A trade deficit is not a bad thing unless you are a Trump Thicko. I might trademark that.

But in short…importing for example car parts from the EU. Yes we’d buy more than we sell there. But so what? Those imports helped the car industry here which contributes to economic output and jobs.

The bottom line is Brexit has cost us a lot of money. It’s made everyone poorer as anyone with a brain said it would. It will continue to make everyone poorer for another decade yet. That’s fine because people like you said you didn’t care about the economic impacts and it was about ‘sovintry innit’. So enjoy getting poorer - that’s exactly what Brexit would always do. But you can enjoy getting poorer with a blue passport. So drink it in.

[Hoboh]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

[BWFC_Insane]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

It isn’t. Money leaving the UK is a good thing as it buys stuff that is needed here. That’s how global supply chains work. And it was cheapest to buy much of the stuff we needed from the EU. No country in the world exists without global trade and frankly you know this.

If you want to go back to the 1920’s and experience real poverty on a scale not seen since then be my guest but like with Brexit I can’t stop you but I can warn against it.

[Worthy4England]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

So we shouldn't be able to spend our money on what the hell we want to?

[Hoboh]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

So we shouldn't be able to spend our money on what the hell we want to?

There are items and goods that have to be purchased from overseas, I agree, but the vast majority of stuff could be produced in this country at good prices if successive governments and the unions hadn't fecked things up.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

So we shouldn't be able to spend our money on what the hell we want to?

There are items and goods that have to be purchased from overseas, I agree, but the vast majority of stuff could be produced in this country at good prices if successive governments and the unions hadn't fecked things up.

You signing up for Spanish or Eastern European factory wages and conditions? Good on you mate. Set an example to all those lazy nice people that won't work for less than minimum wage.

[Worthy4England]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

So we shouldn't be able to spend our money on what the hell we want to?

There are items and goods that have to be purchased from overseas, I agree, but the vast majority of stuff could be produced in this country at good prices if successive governments and the unions hadn't fecked things up.

Two of our larger gaps are holidays, so best of luck turning Morecambe into Ibiza and motors. I don't want a Trabant, how's your knocker Norton?

[Hoboh]

Money leaving the UK economy is money leaving, just don't get it do you Mr EU obsessed.

So we shouldn't be able to spend our money on what the hell we want to?

There are items and goods that have to be purchased from overseas, I agree, but the vast majority of stuff could be produced in this country at good prices if successive governments and the unions hadn't fecked things up.

Two of our larger gaps are holidays, so best of luck turning Morecambe into Ibiza and motors. I don't want a Trabant, how's your knocker Norton?

I wouldn't want an unreliable, overinflated Merc or BMW, just because I have the look at me mentality either, nor would I holiday with all the 'hip' druggies that seem to be bred by the haven't a clue parents these days aided by the stupid fawing grandparents in a shithole called ibiza, thank you. Let's just say the EU holiday resorts are slowly kicking off to kill themselves.
You lost, your arrogant I'm right vote leave are wrong, deluded, will get pasted, etc got shown up as to how out of touch you were with, 'the people' just like you bury your head in the sand about Reform with all the name calling.
You lost, get over it or are you remainers slowly losing the plot?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Steady on Hobes. If there is a name caller in chief on here its you. The whole win/lose thing is actually the problem. Its not about winning or losing as populists would have you believe. Its about choosing to do things based on logic and common sense, whether that is in or out. The problem remainers have is not losing, its the proven lying and doubling down contrary to the evidence. We now have significantly more red tape than the promised reduction and we now have significantly more legal migration than we had. This is all a result of taking back control. We were told we wouldn't need to leave the customs agreements, yet the morning of the leave result we're informed by leading leavers that actually we would. The whole thing is bullshit.

If you voted for Starmer (Iknow you didn't) and it was on the basis of him saying we're going to do xyz and not do abc, then proceeded to do exactly the opposite. You'd be furious and rightly so. A lot of Labour voters feel this way now and I can see why.

We were always able to control immigration whilst in the EU, but successive governments chose not to because they wanted the immigration to fuel the economy. It was convenient to blame immigrants for the lack of everything, but the culprit was not investing in services and allowing the large builders to get away without building adequate infrastructure. There is no joined up plan and that is the problem. Build build build, but no plan for the additional GPs, schools, roads, water etc etc. That has feck all to do leaving or remaining. We need to focus on rebuilding our relationship with the EU, whether that is in or out in the long term, it needs to be based on friction free trade, less red tape than we currently have and cooperation.

[Hoboh]

Steady on Hobes. If there is a name caller in chief on here its you. The whole win/lose thing is actually the problem. Its not about winning or losing as populists would have you believe. Its about choosing to do things based on logic and common sense, whether that is in or out. The problem remainers have is not losing, its the proven lying and doubling down contrary to the evidence. We now have significantly more red tape than the promised reduction and we now have significantly more legal migration than we had. This is all a result of taking back control. We were told we wouldn't need to leave the customs agreements, yet the morning of the leave result we're informed by leading leavers that actually we would. The whole thing is bullshit.

If you voted for Starmer (Iknow you didn't) and it was on the basis of him saying we're going to do xyz and not do abc, then proceeded to do exactly the opposite. You'd be furious and rightly so. A lot of Labour voters feel this way now and I can see why.

We were always able to control immigration whilst in the EU, but successive governments chose not to because they wanted the immigration to fuel the economy. It was convenient to blame immigrants for the lack of everything, but the culprit was not investing in services and allowing the large builders to get away without building adequate infrastructure. There is no joined up plan and that is the problem. Build build build, but no plan for the additional GPs, schools, roads, water etc etc. That has feck all to do leaving or remaining. We need to focus on rebuilding our relationship with the EU, whether that is in or out in the long term, it needs to be based on friction free trade, less red tape than we currently have and cooperation.

True, but it seems some try to make out it was only leave telling the lies, some of us haven't quite forgotten war breaking out if we left for one.
Main problem is, we haven't due to a lot of obstruction by various parties, actually left as such, we simply caved in on the real issues.
Yep, totally true, we are screwed by poor politicians and policy's.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

True, but it seems some try to make out it was only leave telling the lies, some of us haven't quite forgotten war breaking out if we left for one.
Main problem is, we haven't due to a lot of obstruction by various parties, actually left as such, we simply caved in on the real issues.
Yep, totally true, we are screwed by poor politicians and policy's.

Many problems stem from certain politicians deciding we had to trigger leaving immediately and then announce unrealistic red lines in public. Because there was no consensus or real thought to how outside the EU should look, all sides should have paused, debated and then negotiated with the EU. Boris just wanted to be seen to be the hero and rebranded the disastrous May plan. We've all seen the problems and cost of that.