Serious thread from me, for once...

[TANGODANCER]

I believe a certain Mr Atkinson had such a lapse. Sorry, TD I don't see the difference.

I'm not in any way defending the action; just the dire consequences of something, as Quiff stated, deeply ingrained, and much more so in older citizens. We come from an era when an Agatha Christie novel had a racist word in the title, and a whole series of books about a wartime flyer hero were removed forever from publication. When a kiddies beloved toy was suddenly the subject of racism after donkey's years of being just a toy. From a period when old folk songs contained the same material, black was a colour and not an insult and the only concept of what Asians looked like was from a packet of tea. A time when joking about each other was common and not insulting in anything but humour.

That's why it's far harder to acclimatise to things that we were brought up to as not being particularly offensive due to the context in which they were used.. As I said, I'm not defending the action, just sad at the consequences to someone I know full well wasnt' racist, just stupid. In another twenty years or so it will probably be a totally different world; no smokers, no racism and clinical humour only that doesn't insult anyone.

[enfieldwhite]

I believe a certain Mr Atkinson had such a lapse. Sorry, TD I don't see the difference.

I'm not in any way defending the action; just the dire consequences of something, as Quiff stated, deeply ingrained, and much more so in older citizens. We come from an era when an Agatha Christie novel had a racist word in the title, and a whole series of books about a wartime flyer hero were removed forever from publication. When a kiddies beloved toy was suddenly the subject of racism after donkey's years of being just a toy. From a period when old folk songs contained the same material, black was a colour and not an insult and the only concept of what Asians looked like was from a packet of tea. A time when joking about each other was common and not insulting in anything but humour.

That's why it's far harder to acclimatise to things that we were brought up to as not being particularly offensive due to the context in which they were used.. As I said, I'm not defending the action, just sad at the consequences to someone I know full well wasnt' racist, just stupid. In another twenty years or so it will probably be a totally different world; no smokers, no racism and clinical humour only that doesn't insult anyone.

Understood, I'm old enough to get most of your references. I, too have parents of a (not dissimilair) age to your goodself and remember them asking me to go to the 'Paki' shop for a quarter of sweets. I will not condemn them or apologise for what was of it's time.

Your friend is unfortunate in respect of the consequences, but what he said is deeply unacceptable today.

Your vision of life twenty years hence, by the way, fills me with dread.

[TANGODANCER]

Understood, I'm old enough to get most of your references. I, too have parents of a (not dissimilair) age to your goodself and remember them asking me to go to the 'Paki' shop for a quarter of sweets. I will not condemn them or apologise for what was of it's time.

Your friend is unfortunate in respect of the consequences, but what he said is deeply unacceptable today.

Your vision of life twenty years hence, by the way, fills me with dread.

Yes, makes George Orwell look very prophetic doesn't it? You already have CCTV cameras watching most of your moves. Add that to the rest and I'm very glad I've had the life I've had.

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Understood, I'm old enough to get most of your references. I, too have parents of a (not dissimilair) age to your goodself and remember them asking me to go to the 'Paki' shop for a quarter of sweets. I will not condemn them or apologise for what was of it's time.

There is a perfectly reasonable example of where a word such as Paki is not a racist, derogatory term. If the shop is run by Pakistanis then why not abbreviate as such?

Has anyone here ever been out for a chinky? There are people who'll tell me that's racist, when it's really only shorthand.

[TANGODANCER]

Funnily enough, very few people I know refer to oriental cuisine as anything but " a Chinese, or an Indian". I know someone who owns a nighclub and, when I asked him once how it was doing, his reply was "It's full of bloody Paki's with fifty pence in there pockets". The guy is Asian. ??????

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Funnily enough, very few people I know refer to oriental cuisine as anything but " a Chinese, or an Indian". I know someone who owns a nighclub and, when I asked him once how it was doing, his reply was "It's full of bloody Paki's with fifty pence in there pockets". The guy is Asian. ??????

I had to smile. I've just looked after one of our client's interests at an exhibition in London. They are a company based in Mumbai. Indians are "careful" with money, by and large. This caution prompted an argument over costs between them and a company supplying a plasma screen for the duration of the show. I refereed.

I nearly cried laughing when one of the screen suppliers confided in me "You've got to watch these Indian bastards - tight as feck!" Both he, and his partner, were second generation Indians now residing in Barnet. My response was "I couldn't possibly say that!" at which point he smiled, winked and said "I know, but I can!"

And we all stayed friends.

[Lennon]

I'd question WHO is actually offended by 'racist comments/words' anyway.
It seems to me that some humans feel the need to speak on behalf of another race and declare that they've been offended, without actually consulting anyone from that particular ethnicity, which I'd deem as racist in itself.

[enfieldwhite]

I'd question WHO is actually offended by 'racist comments/words' anyway.
It seems to me that some humans feel the need to speak on behalf of another race and declare that they've been offended, without actually consulting anyone from that particular ethnicity, which I'd deem as racist in itself.

Again, it's all down to context.

If someone has to use colour, or race, as an adjective, it is meant to, and generally does, cause offence.

Lazy bastard, whenever used, is a statement of fact.

Lazy black, white, yellow, chinky, paki, jewish, paddy, jock, ginger, welsh bastard is, albeit cathartic, racist and unacceptable.

I have a few Jewish and Asian friends who I chide about their differences. We have been friends for a number of years. They, in turn, gently mock my ethnicity and the world continues to turn.

[TANGODANCER]

I'd question WHO is actually offended by 'racist comments/words' anyway.
It seems to me that some humans feel the need to speak on behalf of another race and declare that they've been offended, without actually consulting anyone from that particular ethnicity, which I'd deem as racist in itself.

For once Lennon (only this once mind ) I entirely agree.

[FaninOz]

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Has anyone here ever been out for a chinky? quote]

I believe that if you used that word or any other similar abreviation directly to a Chinese person you could get done for a racist comment

[Montreal Wanderer]

Has anyone here ever been out for a chinky?

I believe that if you used that word or any other similar abreviation directly to a Chinese person you could get done for a racist comment

While tone and intent are important in these things, I tend to agree with O'Fanz that the indiscriminate use of Chink, Paki, Frog, dago, etc. does tend to be racist, whether or not one gets done for it.

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While tone and intent are important in these things, I tend to agree with O'Fanz that the indiscriminate use of Chink, Paki, Frog, dago, etc. does tend to be racist, whether or not one gets done for it.

I'd disagree with Frog - after all, we're not up in arms at being labelled rosbifs, are we?

[Montreal Wanderer]

While tone and intent are important in these things, I tend to agree with O'Fanz that the indiscriminate use of Chink, Paki, Frog, dago, etc. does tend to be racist, whether or not one gets done for it.

I'd disagree with Frog - after all, we're not up in arms at being labelled rosbifs, are we?

Or Brit, Limey, maudit bloke, tete carré, etc. Why is that? Possibly we are not bothered because of a superiority complex based on our history. We don't care what they call us because they are all wogs anyway, and the wogs as you know begin at Calais. Yet, just because such things don't offend us, does not make them inoffensive. It wouldn't bother me to be called a dirty Jew because I'm a realtively clean gentile. Might bother others.

[Nozza]

While tone and intent are important in these things, I tend to agree with O'Fanz that the indiscriminate use of Chink, Paki, Frog, dago, etc. does tend to be racist, whether or not one gets done for it.

I'd disagree with Frog - after all, we're not up in arms at being labelled rosbifs, are we?

Or Brit, Limey, maudit bloke, tete carré, etc. Why is that? Possibly we are not bothered because of a superiority complex based on our history. We don't care what they call us because they are all wogs anyway, and the wogs as you know begin at Calais. Yet, just because such things don't offend us, does not make them inoffensive. It wouldn't bother me to be called a dirty Jew because I'm a realtively clean gentile. Might bother others.

You dirty Jew, you.

[americantrotter]

If I do get offended it's only when the Aussies or the irish/scottish call me a british slur.

Don't give a rip when anyone else says it. Coming from Americans it's hilarious as they are pretty much all mutts themselves.

[communistworkethic]

I would have said terms like Jungle-bunny and Porch Monkey were racist and nothing else. Other terms do rely on the delivery and context to be racist. I often think that it realy should be the offended party who determines the racism not "concerned parties".

[Bwfc in the bloodline]

I think most people call people Pakis without actually knowing where they come from. They just say it to anyone who looks indian or whatever.

Which is why id say its racist,

Anyone of indian/pakistani/bangladeshi and many other country's all have a similar look (like caucasian only i dont know the word) they are all referred to as 'paki' in a racist derogatory fashion. Is Nigger racist, im sure it is if a white/asian/chinese person is referring to a person of african descent. But there is a country with a similar name.

[TANGODANCER]

To highlight the idiocy of the reasoning behind these "do-good" protestors (as opposed to those supposedly taking offence) , I hark back to the banning of W.E.John's "Biggles" novels. It wasn't okay to have "Jerries, Wops, Spics and Iyties" being called such (although racism had hardly reared it's hydra-head when these war-time books were written) but blowing each other out of the sky, shooting, maiming, crippling and killing each other was quite okey-dokee. Is there a case of priorities here? We glorifed war, then condemmed it, yet would now start one over a spoken sentence.

I'll state a long-held belief: A decent person is a decent person, and an asshole is an asshole. Skin colour, race and religion are immaterial. I suspect a lot of these commitees are mainly comprised of the latter. Just my view.

[superjohnmcginlay]

To highlight the idiocy of the reasoning behind these "do-good" protestors (as opposed to those supposedly taking offence) , I hark back to the banning of W.E.John's "Biggles" novels. It wasn't okay to have "Jerries, Wops, Spics and Iyties" being called such (although racism had hardly reared it's hydra-head when these war-time books were written) but blowing each other out of the sky, shooting, maiming, crippling and killing each other was quite okey-dokee. Is there a case of priorities here? We glorifed war, then condemmed it, yet would now start one over a spoken sentence.

I'll state a long-held belief: A decent person is a decent person, and an asshole is an asshole. Skin colour, race and religion are immaterial. I suspect a lot of these commitees are mainly comprised of the latter. Just my view.

Nail on head. Ive always said there's 2 types of people in this world - good 'uns and wankers.

[superjohnmcginlay]

I'd question WHO is actually offended by 'racist comments/words' anyway.
It seems to me that some humans feel the need to speak on behalf of another race and declare that they've been offended, without actually consulting anyone from that particular ethnicity, which I'd deem as racist in itself.

They just can't fooking help themselves can they?

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