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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
13
41%
Conservatives
12
38%
Liberal Democrats
2
6%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
9%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
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Post by William the White » Mon May 18, 2009 9:24 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
InsaneApache wrote:

Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Is exactly what I'm thinking just now. Also, Prufrock, how come nationalism automatically equals racism in your book? :conf:
I understand the temptation - so long as it's not the BNP.

especially here - if the BNP get 9% of the north west vote their leader, neo-Nazi Nick Griffin will get a seat in the euro parliament...

Just important to vote on the day (for anyone else) - the more that vote the more difficult for the BNP to hit its target...

i'm tempted by the greens myself, though suspect that some atavistic impulse will lead me, with a mighty sigh, to vote labour when it actually comes to it... the only time i haven't was when I voted socialist labour, in the hope that Arthur Scargill could make as great a job of his party as he did for the NUM...
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Post by TANGODANCER » Mon May 18, 2009 9:49 pm

InsaneApache wrote:Why's leaving the EU mental? That's not what we signed up for. The first time my (elder)brother voted was on the EEC referendum. No mention in that about having our laws set by Bruxelles. Think that our MPs are troughing on the gravy train? Wait until we manage to wrangle the MEP expenses! (Which we won't)

Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Was vaguely my point in listening rather than pooh-poohing offhand. To reinforce Bruce's point, England is as multinational as it gets in terms of integration racewise. Loads of one-time immigrants came here ad settled, had families who are now nationalised English. Why should we even mention racism because some guy points out there are two million illegal immigrants over here? In what way are we any different than any other country in wanting some organised control over that? And what exactly is wrong with national pride? Something we seem to have lost a little of lately.

Our present leaders are somwhat wanting even after years of practise. Let's not be brainwashed into thinking only two horses can ever enter the race. Time to have a look at the rest of the runners in a bit more depth maybe?
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Post by InsaneApache » Mon May 18, 2009 9:52 pm

Indeed.
Here I stand foot in hand...talkin to my wall....I'm not quite right at all...am I?
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Post by Little Green Man » Mon May 18, 2009 10:11 pm

InsaneApache wrote: Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Yep - the small parties wouldn't trouser OUR money - nooooooooo, never in a month of Sundays...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6975627.stm
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Post by TANGODANCER » Mon May 18, 2009 10:32 pm

Little Green Man wrote:
InsaneApache wrote: Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Yep - the small parties wouldn't trouser OUR money - nooooooooo, never in a month of Sundays...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/6975627.stm
If a party were to be blamed for one of its members indiscretions Paliament would be permanently empty......hey, wait..... :wink:
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue May 19, 2009 12:31 pm

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Tory-S ... bour_Rival
SSN wrote:A Tory candidate has apologised for a using the word "c***" while writing about his Labour rival.

Richard Graham made his comments in an online article

Richard Graham, a Conservative hopeful for Gloucester, blamed lack of proofreading for using the swear word in connection with Parmjit Dhanda, the city's Labour MP
:roflmao:

I think it's pretty good that politicians are trying to get closer to "the man in the street". We've been calling 'em all a bag of c**ts for weeks...
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue May 19, 2009 12:42 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
InsaneApache wrote:

Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Is exactly what I'm thinking just now. Also, Prufrock, how come nationalism automatically equals racism in your book? :conf:
Nationalism just makes me want to vomit repeatedly.
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Post by Lord Kangana » Tue May 19, 2009 12:43 pm

With you 100% there BWFCi.
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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Tue May 19, 2009 12:47 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
InsaneApache wrote:

Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Is exactly what I'm thinking just now. Also, Prufrock, how come nationalism automatically equals racism in your book? :conf:
Nationalism just makes me want to vomit repeatedly.
Lord Kangana wrote:With you 100% there BWFCi.
Well Im truly fooking shocked. :wink:
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue May 19, 2009 12:49 pm

superjohnmcginlay wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
InsaneApache wrote:

Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Is exactly what I'm thinking just now. Also, Prufrock, how come nationalism automatically equals racism in your book? :conf:
Nationalism just makes me want to vomit repeatedly.
Lord Kangana wrote:With you 100% there BWFCi.
Well Im truly fooking shocked. :wink:
Surely it's only wrong if you make the association between Nationalist and Racist?

Nationalist in its truest form is the right to self determination...I'm lost as to why this might be a bad idea?
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Post by Lord Kangana » Tue May 19, 2009 12:50 pm

To condense my argument into a soundbite, I don't believe that Nation States are the way forward anyway, they create artificial division.
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue May 19, 2009 12:52 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:To condense my argument into a soundbite, I don't believe that Nation States are the way forward anyway, they create artificial division.
Don't be shy - give us the longer version of what we're replacing it with... :mrgreen:

It'll make the World Cup pretty boring...
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Post by TANGODANCER » Tue May 19, 2009 12:53 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
InsaneApache wrote:

Seriously guys, it is time that we started to look at the policies of the small parties. After all, we've seen what the main ones do with our money.
Is exactly what I'm thinking just now. Also, Prufrock, how come nationalism automatically equals racism in your book? :conf:
Nationalism just makes me want to vomit repeatedly.
I'd be interested in hearing your take on this view of nationalism BWFCI ( assuming that it belongs to a few people other than just BNP memembers) and why it makes you want to vomit, really, I would. ?
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Post by Lord Kangana » Tue May 19, 2009 12:56 pm

If it were only the world cup we were worrying about, I'd be on your side Worthy. But most of the national barriers we have throughout the world were formed either by some tyrannical conquerer, or a scheming committee of self interest. How the hell you can feel a part of that is something I've never got my head round.
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Post by InsaneApache » Tue May 19, 2009 12:57 pm

Oh God not another world government fanboy. Christ on a bike.
Here I stand foot in hand...talkin to my wall....I'm not quite right at all...am I?
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Post by Lord Kangana » Tue May 19, 2009 12:59 pm

Erm, forgive me here, but who mentioned world government? Perhaps you'd like to introduce your own issues here?
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Post by InsaneApache » Tue May 19, 2009 1:00 pm

If you oppose nationalism, and therefore nation states, then the only conclusion is a world government surely?
Here I stand foot in hand...talkin to my wall....I'm not quite right at all...am I?
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Post by Lord Kangana » Tue May 19, 2009 1:02 pm

Thats like saying if you dislike bananas, then the only alternative is apples.
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Post by InsaneApache » Tue May 19, 2009 1:03 pm

OK I'm wrong then. So tell me, what would you suggest?
Here I stand foot in hand...talkin to my wall....I'm not quite right at all...am I?
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Post by Worthy4England » Tue May 19, 2009 1:08 pm

InsaneApache wrote:OK I'm wrong then. So tell me, what would you suggest?
That's sort of where I'm heading with it too IA...
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