Cricket, Lovely Cricket!

[superjohnmcginlay]

Well I'm storming off the field in a huff until the umpire gets sacked like that daryl fella.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Well I'm storming off the field in a huff until the umpire gets sacked like that daryl fella.

LOL! I wish I got paid like that Daryl fella!

[shevchenko54]

The most contentious decision I have faced is as follows.

I am keeping wicket and our Pro takes the edge of the opening batsman. The catch is taken comfortably and the batsman begins to walk. After taking 4 or 5 steps the batsman realises that the ump hasn't triggered him and he returns to the crease.

Umpire gives him not out.

At what stage can he not return to the crease after walking?

(fair to say he wish he had walked when the pro pulled his length back 10 inches and tickle his ribs for an hour).

[Montreal Wanderer]

Probably changed a bit since my day but guesses in white

1. The lunch interval has been agreed as 1.00pm - 1.40pm. At 12.55pm it is raining heavily and the captain of the fielding side agrees with you and your colleague that play should be suspended providing play restarts at 1.35p.m.

a) What must you do before leaving the field?
Inform the batsmen and remove the bails?

b) Would you allow the lunch interval to begin immediately?
Yes

c) At what time would play restart?
When the rain stops or 1.35 whichever comes second

2. The batsmen have completed two runs. You call and signal “One Short”. Simultaneously, your colleague also calls and signals “One Short”. What are you now required to do?
Make sure the scorer scores only one short?

BTW I'd make a small wager these are all wrong!

[Zulus Thousand of em]

The most contentious decision I have faced is as follows.

I am keeping wicket and our Pro takes the edge of the opening batsman. The catch is taken comfortably and the batsman begins to walk. After taking 4 or 5 steps the batsman realises that the ump hasn't triggered him and he returns to the crease.

Umpire gives him not out.

At what stage can he not return to the crease after walking?

(fair to say he wish he had walked when the pro pulled his length back 10 inches and tickle his ribs for an hour).

In this instance he hasn't walked. He has left under a misapprehernsion at the very worst. The umpire should call him back to the crease. If he continues and leaves the field he must be given out "Retired Out" and not "Caught". He can return to the crease before the next man in enters the field of play.

[Worthy4England]

The most contentious decision I have faced is as follows.

I am keeping wicket and our Pro takes the edge of the opening batsman. The catch is taken comfortably and the batsman begins to walk. After taking 4 or 5 steps the batsman realises that the ump hasn't triggered him and he returns to the crease.

Umpire gives him not out.

At what stage can he not return to the crease after walking?

(fair to say he wish he had walked when the pro pulled his length back 10 inches and tickle his ribs for an hour).

In this instance he hasn't walked. He has left under a misapprehernsion at the very worst. The umpire should call him back to the crease. If he continues and leaves the field he must be given out "Retired Out" and not "Caught". He can return to the crease before the next man in enters the field of play.

He would need to return to the crease within 3 minutes I suspect for fear of being timed out, which begs a further question as to whether the fielding side would need to appeal again?

Are you sure he can return after leaving the field of play?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

He would need to return to the crease within 3 minutes I suspect for fear of being timed out, which begs a further question as to whether the fielding side would need to appeal again?

Are you sure he can return after leaving the field of play?

You got me thinking there Worthy. So much so that I've just referred Shevchenko's question and my response to my ECB tutor. He has just responded as follows:

You are on the right lines but not quite right.

The batsman has left the crease under the misapprehension he is out. The umpire should have made a quicker decision. When the umpire sees the batsman leaving the crease, he should call and signal "Dead Ball" to prevent any run out attempt, and then recall the batsman. If he continues to leave the field he would be "retired out". He must be recalled to the crease before crossing the boundary. The actions of the next batsman are irrelevant.

So, you were right. He cannot leave the field of play. Therefore the incoming batsman, and the three minute rule do not apply.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Zulus, if you enjoy rules/laws and their bizarre hypothetical application this much, the next one you should go for is a golf refereeing qualification... I've played the game for 16 years and haven't got a clue about most of the rules.

[Worthy4England]

He would need to return to the crease within 3 minutes I suspect for fear of being timed out, which begs a further question as to whether the fielding side would need to appeal again?

Are you sure he can return after leaving the field of play?

You got me thinking there Worthy. So much so that I've just referred Shevchenko's question and my response to my ECB tutor. He has just responded as follows:

You are on the right lines but not quite right.

The batsman has left the crease under the misapprehension he is out. The umpire should have made a quicker decision. When the umpire sees the batsman leaving the crease, he should call and signal "Dead Ball" to prevent any run out attempt, and then recall the batsman. If he continues to leave the field he would be "retired out". He must be recalled to the crease before crossing the boundary. The actions of the next batsman are irrelevant.

So, you were right. He cannot leave the field of play. Therefore the incoming batsman, and the three minute rule do not apply.

All I know is I wouldn't have let the bugger back as fielding Captain once he'd crossed the whitewash...

I had a slightly different approach as a opening bowler - on a number of occasions, I had questioned, much to my team's chagrin, whether a batsman given out had actually hit the bugger. Generally lower order batsmen who made the trudge in a short space of time later. I also didn't generally appeal when I knew it wasn't out (even if the slips went up). This probably lost me a few wickets, but the number of times that Umpires said to me "We know you only appeal when you think he's out" whilst in the act of producing their trigger was pretty good.

I did also manage to convince (over a period of time) an umpire from Wigan, that I very rarely bowled anything other than stump to stump - my incidence of LBW's with that umpire was huge.

Few beers after the match, discussing how various batsmen were excellent at covering up their stumps and difficult to bowl because of it (all down to excellent foot movement you know?), and giving the guys a fairly easy ride in the middle (as opposed to making them feel threatened) works wonders.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Right, only one response to the first day's questions (Thanks, Monty! ) And a fair effort too, if I may say so!

I don't mind doing more, if people are interested. If not I'll file this thread in the "Seemed Like A Great Idea At The Time But Soon Turned Out To Be Shite" forum. So, here are the answers from yesterday.

1. The lunch interval has been agreed as 1.00pm - 1.40pm. At 12.55pm it is raining heavily and the captain of the fielding side agrees with you and your colleague that play should be suspended providing play restarts at 1.35p.m.

a) What must you do before leaving the field?
i) Call "Time" and remove the bails.
ii) Note the name of the bowler who bowled the last over and the ends the batsmen should resume from.
iii) Collect the ball, which should be retained by the umpire who will be at the bowler's end on the resumption of play.
iv) Note the number of balls left in the over, if any.

b) Would you allow the lunch interval to begin immediately?
Yes.

c) At what time would play restart?
Play would restart at 1.40pm.

2. The batsmen have completed two runs. You call and signal “One Short”. Simultaneously, your colleague also calls and signals “One Short”. What are you now required to do?
The umpire at the bowler's end would signal to the scorer that one run had been scored, after advising his colleague of his intention to do so. (Both batsmen must have been short on the same run for both umpires to call and signal "One Short" when two runs are attempted. Only if three or more are attempted is there a need to confer to determine which runs had been called short).

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Zulus, if you enjoy rules/laws and their bizarre hypothetical application this much, the next one you should go for is a golf refereeing qualification... I've played the game for 16 years and haven't got a clue about most of the rules.

I've never played golf seriously and it's not a game that I am particularly interested in Mummy. I do understand that many have a passion for it though.

As for bizarre and hypothetical, these scenarios happen on a regular basis, believe me!

[Zulus Thousand of em]

OK, one question today, in two parts.

1) You have given the fielding side a warning for time wasting. At the end of an over 10 minutes later, the fielding Captain enters into a long discussion with the bowler.

What action do you take?

2) During an over 15 minutes later, the bowler walks back unnecessarily slowly for 3 successive deliveries.

What action do you take?

Answers tomorrow!

[Montreal Wanderer]

OK, one question today, in two parts.

1) You have given the fielding side a warning for time wasting. At the end of an over 10 minutes later, the fielding Captain enters into a long discussion with the bowler.

What action do you take?

2) During an over 15 minutes later, the bowler walks back unnecessarily slowly for 3 successive deliveries.

What action do you take?

Answers tomorrow!

People deliberately waste time in cricket Gosh, the game has changed.
Shaky answers (likely to be as off base as yesterday) in white.
1. Impose penalty runs?
2.Impose a double run penalty? Kick the bowler out? Report the captain to the MCC for disciplinary action? Take the ball and go home, awarding victory the batting side/ (That's what I'd do!)

[jimbo]

OK, one question today, in two parts.

1) You have given the fielding side a warning for time wasting. At the end of an over 10 minutes later, the fielding Captain enters into a long discussion with the bowler.

What action do you take?

2) During an over 15 minutes later, the bowler walks back unnecessarily slowly for 3 successive deliveries.

What action do you take?

Answers tomorrow!

Sorry Zulu, would have responded to yesterdays but was a bit busy. I'll give this a go though despite not really knowing.

My guess is that with it being a breach of 'fair play' you should after the final warning and several hurry-ups give a 5 run penalty to the fielding side. The time-wasting should then be reported to the league in the umpire's report after the game, along with the over-rate. In our league teams are fined and penalised points for being below a set rate (17 per hour I think) and in international cricket certainly, captains can face further sanctions themselves.

There is also the issue of warnings, and whether after 3 the bowler in question should be removed from the attack.

Anyways, it's all hypothetical. This wouldn't happen. It's just not cricket

[jimbo]

Zulus, if you enjoy rules/laws and their bizarre hypothetical application this much, the next one you should go for is a golf refereeing qualification... I've played the game for 16 years and haven't got a clue about most of the rules.

There's a brilliant book called something like 'Decisions on the rules of golf'. That pretty much coveers every possible eventuality!

[TANGODANCER]

Over the mill wall or someone's back garden was always "Six and out". Was this a fair rule?

(Sorry Zulu, couldn't resist it. I'll retire out. )

[Wandering Willy]

Over the mill wall or someone's back garden was always "Six and out". Was this a fair rule?

(Sorry Zulu, couldn't resist it. I'll retire out. )

Aye, and you were out if caught one handed off the wall.

[Worthy4England]

Over the mill wall or someone's back garden was always "Six and out". Was this a fair rule?

(Sorry Zulu, couldn't resist it. I'll retire out. )

Aye, and you were out if caught one handed off the wall.

Indeed correct Sir.

[Wandering Willy]

I'll share a cricket story with you if I may.

When I was young my best friend was an lad from an Indian family, who for the purpose of the story, shall be called Neil. Anyway, Neil's Dad, a doctor, was a bigwig at Lancashire and had ties with the Indian team. One summer, on Neil's birthday, a cricket party was organised for us young ruffians. As we set up our crates and picked teams Neil's dad came over with another gentleman who offered to umpire. The game commenced and it was soon my turn to bat. At the age of 10 I was nothing if not a great slogger and proceeded to swipe at the very first tennis ball delivered. To my horror I missed and was given out caught behind by the guest gentleman. I refused to walk and after some argument was sent home, in tears, by the said gentleman for not honouring the spirit of the game.

And that gentleman's name

[spoiler]Farokh Engineer.[/spoiler]

[jimbo]

Zulu, what's your thoughts on the referrals system? I'm against it for a few reasons - namely Hawkeye isn't that accurate, traditions of the game, undermining on-field umpires and it's use as more of a tactical aid rather than something to truely rule out poor decisions. Just interested from your point of view as an umpire.