What do you think of the state of Women's football??

[thebish]

the best women runners are alreading beating the hell out of all but the very best men.

not really sure what that means - because the other side of the coin is true as well isn't it?

the best male runners are beating the crap out of all but none of the women.

[Gooner Girl]

the best women runners are alreading beating the hell out of all but the very best men.

not really sure what that means - because the other side of the coin is true as well isn't it?

the best male runners are beating the crap out of all but none of the women.

True! I think its just saying the gender divide is way more marked at the top of the pack then it is further down the field. Take my own athletics club for instance - whilst the fastest sprinters in the club are generally male - amongst the mix of ages and sexes that do endurance running who are social athletes - county standard at most, there is a real mix of times and its not always a given that our fastest athlete in a race is a male.

[thebish]

the best women runners are alreading beating the hell out of all but the very best men.

not really sure what that means - because the other side of the coin is true as well isn't it?

the best male runners are beating the crap out of all but none of the women.

True! I think its just saying the gender divide is way more marked at the top of the pack then it is further down the field.

Indeed - as is the case with almost any sport or activity or discipline you could care to mention.

[Gary the Enfield]

the best women runners are alreading beating the hell out of all but the very best men.

not really sure what that means - because the other side of the coin is true as well isn't it?

the best male runners are beating the crap out of all but none of the women.

True! I think its just saying the gender divide is way more marked at the top of the pack then it is further down the field. Take my own athletics club for instance - whilst the fastest sprinters in the club are generally male - amongst the mix of ages and sexes that do endurance running who are social athletes - county standard at most, there is a real mix of times and its not always a given that our fastest athlete in a race is a male.[/quote]

I concur.

[thebish]

the best women runners are alreading beating the hell out of all but the very best men.

not really sure what that means - because the other side of the coin is true as well isn't it?

the best male runners are beating the crap out of all but none of the women.

True! I think its just saying the gender divide is way more marked at the top of the pack then it is further down the field. Take my own athletics club for instance - whilst the fastest sprinters in the club are generally male - amongst the mix of ages and sexes that do endurance running who are social athletes - county standard at most, there is a real mix of times and its not always a given that our fastest athlete in a race is a male.

if the county standard mix is like that - and i believe you - then should counties simply do away with the separation of male/female endurance running? if not - why not?

[Gooner Girl]

the best women runners are alreading beating the hell out of all but the very best men.

not really sure what that means - because the other side of the coin is true as well isn't it?

the best male runners are beating the crap out of all but none of the women.

True! I think its just saying the gender divide is way more marked at the top of the pack then it is further down the field. Take my own athletics club for instance - whilst the fastest sprinters in the club are generally male - amongst the mix of ages and sexes that do endurance running who are social athletes - county standard at most, there is a real mix of times and its not always a given that our fastest athlete in a race is a male.

if the county standard mix is like that - and i believe you - then should counties simply do away with the separation of male/female endurance running? if not - why not?

In certain local leagues i don't see why not. I think its more do-able in road racing and cross country then it is in track and field leagues. In road racing, cross country and fun run league men and women run together anyway and just get their times sorted into male/female and U20, senior, vets, in track and field the leagues are seperate cos obviously that brings in jumping and throwing which men generally are stronger at - though given they use different sized implements for throwing you could even it up.

What gets my goat is that although the steeplechase for women was finally introduced at the Bejing Olympics its still not filtered down to local womens athletics which to me seems utterly bizarre - if women can manage to run a marathon how on earth can they not manage 3000 metres with a couple of hurdles and jumps?

[thebish]

What gets my goat is that although the steeplechase for women was finally introduced at the Bejing Olympics its still not filtered down to local womens athletics which to me seems utterly bizarre

i think it's because women are scared of heights....

here's me winning the Chorley Old Road Boys Club U16 steeplechase in 1947

[H. Pedersen]

How would you boys feel about a coach such as Hope Powell taking over Bolton at some point in the future? If you remember she was linked with a managers job in the football league a few months ago.

I'd take her over Sammy Lee.

[CAPSLOCK]

Womens tennis will never go to 5 sets

Its bad enough watching Number 1 beat Number 30, 6-0, 6-0

Another set of that aint going to add anything, unless they've got bouncy tits

[BWFC_Insane]

Womens tennis will never go to 5 sets

Its bad enough watching Number 1 beat Number 30, 6-0, 6-0

Another set of that aint going to add anything, unless they've got bouncy tits

Or very short skirts! Either way, I'd have another set of that.

Unless its the Williams sisters, then they can just fook off!

[CAPSLOCK]

To be fair

This



or that useless lambo tosspot

[BWFC_Insane]

To be fair

This



or that useless lambo tosspot

Her I reckon.

She probably couldn't kick it hard enough to have scored that own goal anyways!

[Gooner Girl]

What gets my goat is that although the steeplechase for women was finally introduced at the Bejing Olympics its still not filtered down to local womens athletics which to me seems utterly bizarre

i think it's because women are scared of heights....

here's me winning the Chorley Old Road Boys Club U16 steeplechase in 1947

Numpty! Get back to work!

[Gary the Enfield]

What gets my goat is that although the steeplechase for women was finally introduced at the Bejing Olympics its still not filtered down to local womens athletics which to me seems utterly bizarre

i think it's because women are scared of heights....

here's me winning the Chorley Old Road Boys Club U16 steeplechase in 1947

Numpty! Get back to work!

He only works Sundays!

[Gooner Girl]

What gets my goat is that although the steeplechase for women was finally introduced at the Bejing Olympics its still not filtered down to local womens athletics which to me seems utterly bizarre

i think it's because women are scared of heights....

here's me winning the Chorley Old Road Boys Club U16 steeplechase in 1947

Numpty! Get back to work!

He only works Sundays!

I know, he keeps trying to convince me he works other days of the week but i don't believe him judging by the amount of posts on here

[as]

Womens tennis will never go to 5 sets

Its bad enough watching Number 1 beat Number 30, 6-0, 6-0

Another set of that aint going to add anything, unless they've got bouncy t**s

Or very short skirts! Either way, I'd have another set of that.

Unless its the Williams sisters, then they can just f**k off!

I'd give Serena one

[superjohnmcginlay]

Womens tennis will never go to 5 sets

Its bad enough watching Number 1 beat Number 30, 6-0, 6-0

Another set of that aint going to add anything, unless they've got bouncy t**s

Or very short skirts! Either way, I'd have another set of that.

Unless its the Williams sisters, then they can just f**k off!

I'd give Serena one

I suspect it would be the other way round.

[Prufrock]

I like you!

In all seriousness as a women who has both played and is a qualified level 2 FA coach theres a lot of crap been written on here.

Womens footballs main problem is the lack of money in the game - still. Its a viscious circle. Standards don't go up because there are no professional players in this country, there are no professional players because of the lack of money in the womens game, there is no money because there is a lack of interest from the (largely male dominated) media (think how TV pumps tons of money into the mens game) the lack of interest is because of the relatively low standard of play because women footballers aren't paid to train every day and have to hold down a job.

Womens football is the fastest growing sport in the country, i have played for 2 different ladies team - one which had no lesbians in at all and one which was about half and half - not that it really matters either way (and no, i'm not!) I have coached girls teams, boys teams and mixed and i can tell you up to age 11 at least, girls can more then hold their own playing in a boys team. Often they mature faster at that age and are actually bigger and stronger til boys overtake them in the teenage years.

I don't see any reason why the skill level between men and women should differ. Yes, men may be faster and stronger and the argument for slightly smaller goals and pitches may make womens football more interesting to watch but the lack of good facilities, training time, quality coaching and equipment are really whats holding womens football back here and its all down to money. We lose most of our best female players to America where they DO get paid.

As for coaching. I was the only female on my level 2 FA course of about 30 people - only about 15 qualified - it was a flipping hard course and loads of the men couldn't stand the pace. I don't see any difference between men and womens coaching ability and i would be more then happy for someone like Hope Powell to be given a chance at the Arsenal job once Sir Wenger retires.

How would you boys feel about a coach such as Hope Powell taking over Bolton at some point in the future? If you remember she was linked with a managers job in the football league a few months ago.

Football is the biggest sport amongst women in America, where they are professional, have the best facilities, and the best coaching yet Scotland, for instance, would beat everyone of those teams, every time. To me you seem to be defeating your argument by trying to argue women can do everything that men can just as well. Physically it's just not true. I don't watch much women's football, because, you can watch a game where box to box there isn't much between the teams, yet one team could win 6-0 coz the other teams keeper is worse at touching the cross bar. Football works as a sport because unlike many others, the aim of the game, scoring happens so rarely. It's so hard to do, and the competition is much better to watch because of this. Women's football, as a result loses that edge. Women on average are smaller, the net's should reflect this, and the size of the pitch. I still watch it if it's on, because tactically, and mentally it's still an engaging battle, and there are some really good players technically. You mention girls can hold their own up to 11 when football becomes segregated, and I compeltely agree, and you are right girls develop more quickly in the early teens, but we aren't talking about that here, this is adult sport, and the fact is physically women couldn't cope vs men.

However, I'm not sure why this makes it any less valid. Bobo argues it is a case of overbearing political correctness, and would presumably then like to see only the men's events at the Olympics, and sod the Paralympics all together. The BBC doesn't exist to serve a middle aged, white man from Tunbridge Wells who wears beige, like the Archers and enjoys Points of View. It's the typical b*llocks argument that since I pay a license fee, everything that doesn't apply directly to me, is aimed at me, or that I like is somehow a waste. If they sorted out what seem to me to be basic flaws in the women's game, then I think more people would want to watch it, it would get more funding, and the overall quality would improve. I'd certainly watch it.

As for the coaching bit you are completely right, there is no reason a female coach shouldn't be as good as a male coach. My only worry would be in a sport that has only ever had 1 openly gay player in this country, and where there are about as many black coaches as there are penises on the Women's Tennis Tour, that I'm not sure I see it happening any time soon. No reason not to try to make it happen though.

[Gooner Girl]

I like you!

In all seriousness as a women who has both played and is a qualified level 2 FA coach theres a lot of crap been written on here.

Womens footballs main problem is the lack of money in the game - still. Its a viscious circle. Standards don't go up because there are no professional players in this country, there are no professional players because of the lack of money in the womens game, there is no money because there is a lack of interest from the (largely male dominated) media (think how TV pumps tons of money into the mens game) the lack of interest is because of the relatively low standard of play because women footballers aren't paid to train every day and have to hold down a job.

Womens football is the fastest growing sport in the country, i have played for 2 different ladies team - one which had no lesbians in at all and one which was about half and half - not that it really matters either way (and no, i'm not!) I have coached girls teams, boys teams and mixed and i can tell you up to age 11 at least, girls can more then hold their own playing in a boys team. Often they mature faster at that age and are actually bigger and stronger til boys overtake them in the teenage years.

I don't see any reason why the skill level between men and women should differ. Yes, men may be faster and stronger and the argument for slightly smaller goals and pitches may make womens football more interesting to watch but the lack of good facilities, training time, quality coaching and equipment are really whats holding womens football back here and its all down to money. We lose most of our best female players to America where they DO get paid.

As for coaching. I was the only female on my level 2 FA course of about 30 people - only about 15 qualified - it was a flipping hard course and loads of the men couldn't stand the pace. I don't see any difference between men and womens coaching ability and i would be more then happy for someone like Hope Powell to be given a chance at the Arsenal job once Sir Wenger retires.

How would you boys feel about a coach such as Hope Powell taking over Bolton at some point in the future? If you remember she was linked with a managers job in the football league a few months ago.

Football is the biggest sport amongst women in America, where they are professional, have the best facilities, and the best coaching yet Scotland, for instance, would beat everyone of those teams, every time. To me you seem to be defeating your argument by trying to argue women can do everything that men can just as well. Physically it's just not true. I don't watch much women's football, because, you can watch a game where box to box there isn't much between the teams, yet one team could win 6-0 coz the other teams keeper is worse at touching the cross bar. Football works as a sport because unlike many others, the aim of the game, scoring happens so rarely. It's so hard to do, and the competition is much better to watch because of this. Women's football, as a result loses that edge. Women on average are smaller, the net's should reflect this, and the size of the pitch. I still watch it if it's on, because tactically, and mentally it's still an engaging battle, and there are some really good players technically. You mention girls can hold their own up to 11 when football becomes segregated, and I compeltely agree, and you are right girls develop more quickly in the early teens, but we aren't talking about that here, this is adult sport, and the fact is physically women couldn't cope vs men.

However, I'm not sure why this makes it any less valid. Bobo argues it is a case of overbearing political correctness, and would presumably then like to see only the men's events at the Olympics, and sod the Paralympics all together. The BBC doesn't exist to serve a middle aged, white man from Tunbridge Wells who wears beige, like the Archers and enjoys Points of View. It's the typical b*llocks argument that since I pay a license fee, everything that doesn't apply directly to me, is aimed at me, or that I like is somehow a waste. If they sorted out what seem to me to be basic flaws in the women's game, then I think more people would want to watch it, it would get more funding, and the overall quality would improve. I'd certainly watch it.

As for the coaching bit you are completely right, there is no reason a female coach shouldn't be as good as a male coach. My only worry would be in a sport that has only ever had 1 openly gay player in this country, and where there are about as many black coaches as there are penises on the Women's Tennis Tour, that I'm not sure I see it happening any time soon. No reason not to try to make it happen though.

Yopu mean the scotland mens team who not only also have brilliant coaching and training facilities but also the advantage of being bigger, faster and stronger? I wouldn't disagree with you there and nowhere did i say that women can do everything as well as men (just most things better ) I agree womens football will never be on a par with mens - i am saying that for 2 reasons. 1. the lack of training, coaches, money in the game and 2. we are less strong, not as well built and slower, theres no denying that. All i am saying is that the gap could be narrowed by improving 1. even if 2. won't ever change.

[Prufrock]

I like you!

In all seriousness as a women who has both played and is a qualified level 2 FA coach theres a lot of crap been written on here.

Womens footballs main problem is the lack of money in the game - still. Its a viscious circle. Standards don't go up because there are no professional players in this country, there are no professional players because of the lack of money in the womens game, there is no money because there is a lack of interest from the (largely male dominated) media (think how TV pumps tons of money into the mens game) the lack of interest is because of the relatively low standard of play because women footballers aren't paid to train every day and have to hold down a job.

Womens football is the fastest growing sport in the country, i have played for 2 different ladies team - one which had no lesbians in at all and one which was about half and half - not that it really matters either way (and no, i'm not!) I have coached girls teams, boys teams and mixed and i can tell you up to age 11 at least, girls can more then hold their own playing in a boys team. Often they mature faster at that age and are actually bigger and stronger til boys overtake them in the teenage years.

I don't see any reason why the skill level between men and women should differ. Yes, men may be faster and stronger and the argument for slightly smaller goals and pitches may make womens football more interesting to watch but the lack of good facilities, training time, quality coaching and equipment are really whats holding womens football back here and its all down to money. We lose most of our best female players to America where they DO get paid.

As for coaching. I was the only female on my level 2 FA course of about 30 people - only about 15 qualified - it was a flipping hard course and loads of the men couldn't stand the pace. I don't see any difference between men and womens coaching ability and i would be more then happy for someone like Hope Powell to be given a chance at the Arsenal job once Sir Wenger retires.

How would you boys feel about a coach such as Hope Powell taking over Bolton at some point in the future? If you remember she was linked with a managers job in the football league a few months ago.

Football is the biggest sport amongst women in America, where they are professional, have the best facilities, and the best coaching yet Scotland, for instance, would beat everyone of those teams, every time. To me you seem to be defeating your argument by trying to argue women can do everything that men can just as well. Physically it's just not true. I don't watch much women's football, because, you can watch a game where box to box there isn't much between the teams, yet one team could win 6-0 coz the other teams keeper is worse at touching the cross bar. Football works as a sport because unlike many others, the aim of the game, scoring happens so rarely. It's so hard to do, and the competition is much better to watch because of this. Women's football, as a result loses that edge. Women on average are smaller, the net's should reflect this, and the size of the pitch. I still watch it if it's on, because tactically, and mentally it's still an engaging battle, and there are some really good players technically. You mention girls can hold their own up to 11 when football becomes segregated, and I compeltely agree, and you are right girls develop more quickly in the early teens, but we aren't talking about that here, this is adult sport, and the fact is physically women couldn't cope vs men.

However, I'm not sure why this makes it any less valid. Bobo argues it is a case of overbearing political correctness, and would presumably then like to see only the men's events at the Olympics, and sod the Paralympics all together. The BBC doesn't exist to serve a middle aged, white man from Tunbridge Wells who wears beige, like the Archers and enjoys Points of View. It's the typical b*llocks argument that since I pay a license fee, everything that doesn't apply directly to me, is aimed at me, or that I like is somehow a waste. If they sorted out what seem to me to be basic flaws in the women's game, then I think more people would want to watch it, it would get more funding, and the overall quality would improve. I'd certainly watch it.

As for the coaching bit you are completely right, there is no reason a female coach shouldn't be as good as a male coach. My only worry would be in a sport that has only ever had 1 openly gay player in this country, and where there are about as many black coaches as there are penises on the Women's Tennis Tour, that I'm not sure I see it happening any time soon. No reason not to try to make it happen though.

Yopu mean the scotland mens team who not only also have brilliant coaching and training facilities but also the advantage of being bigger, faster and stronger? I wouldn't disagree with you there and nowhere did i say that women can do everything as well as men (just most things better ) I agree womens football will never be on a par with mens - i am saying that for 2 reasons. 1. the lack of training, coaches, money in the game and 2. we are less strong, not as well built and slower, theres no denying that. All i am saying is that the gap could be narrowed by improving 1. even if 2. won't ever change.

Aye true, but I don't see why the women's game has to judge itself by the men's game, which it will never be as good as in a direct comparison. Change things to counteract 2. and it would be a much better game. As I've said, I enjoy watching it box to box, and mentally there is no difference (though your lack of spatial awareness is a hinderance ). That would lead to better interest and more money/better coaching.