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New poll shows Lib Dems up 10%... 
And an interesting take on Cleggmania from an ex-Sun editor - which lays into Rupert Murdoch! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ch-lib-dem
And an interesting take on Cleggmania from an ex-Sun editor - which lays into Rupert Murdoch! http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ch-lib-dem
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Hmmm.... given the absolute bollock-kicking that Peter Davies the (formerly UKIP, now English Democrat) Mayor for Doncaster has just got, then the charge - ifn you can't run Doncaster how can we trust you to run the Country charge might be on some peoples' lips...Peter Thompson wrote:Tories for PT or maybe the English Democratic Party
How anyone can vote for another 5 years of labour is behond me, a scottish prime minister & scottish chancellor running England / Westminster - its a disgrace.
Today's report found that the elected English Democrat mayor, Peter Davies, the cabinet, senior officers and some councillors were not capable of making improvements
It opened: "Doncaster Metropolitan Borough Council is failing.
"The council is not properly run and as a result it is failing in its legal obligation to make arrangements to secure continuous improvement in the way in which it exercises its functions, having regard to a combination of economy, efficiency and effectiveness.
"Those leading the council - the mayor and cabinet, some councillors and some officers - do not collectively have the capacity or capability to make the necessary improvements in governance.
Yay for nationalism. Good you've nailed the priorities that REALLY matter.Peter Thompson wrote:Tories for PT or maybe the English Democratic Party
How anyone can vote for another 5 years of labour is behond me, a scottish prime minister & scottish chancellor running England / Westminster - its a disgrace.
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Andranik Teymourian bossed them around a bit in 2007 IIRC....InsaneApache wrote:The problems in Doncaster go back decades. Now who's been in power in Doncaster all those years? Anybody know?
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I'm not sure how many of you are familiar with Doncaster, but those who are will know that there's a big roundabout on the way in from the M18 side that's lawned and has flowerbeds on it (I seem to also recall that it has a statue or somesuch of a racehorse on it, too). Anyway, a few years back some scallies doing community service had been sent to plant bulbs into the beds. What a delight the following Sping when the daffs popped up in bright yellow, bidding people entering the town a horticulural 'BOLLOCKS' from the roundabout. Excellent scampage!Montreal Wanderer wrote:Andranik Teymourian bossed them around a bit in 2007 IIRC....InsaneApache wrote:The problems in Doncaster go back decades. Now who's been in power in Doncaster all those years? Anybody know?
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You are, of course, right, PT and the EDP are jumping on what is an interesting, and I think valid issue, and extending it to areas it has no relevance.fatshaft wrote:The UK actually. Why is it a disgrace?Peter Thompson wrote:Tories for PT or maybe the English Democratic Party
How anyone can vote for another 5 years of labour is behond me, a scottish prime minister & scottish chancellor running England / Westminster - its a disgrace.
It does pose an interesting question however, if Scotland, and Wales, and Northern Ireland want independence to administer their own will regarding education, for instance, where English MPs cannot vote on those issues, it does seem bizarre when those Scotish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs can vote regarding education in England, and not particularly fair and democratic. It doesn't affect broader issues which aren't covered by devolution, and so the idea of having a Scottish PM of the United Kingdom is in no way a disgrace, it is ludicrous jingoism to suggest it is, but the narrower issue of voting in parliament is an interesting effect of devolution, don't you think?
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Be more kind, my friends, try to be more kind.
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Has this been posted yet?
http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/toys/dave-met.php
"Last week, I met a Polish policeman, who told me that anti-capitalists drink white cider on the street and start fights."
http://www.fridgemagnet.org.uk/toys/dave-met.php
"Last week, I met a Polish policeman, who told me that anti-capitalists drink white cider on the street and start fights."
Yes, totally. The trouble being that the English can't have devolution as well, because then effectively you've got Independence for every country, and the UK becomes defunct, and the main parties are all against seperatism.Prufrock wrote:You are, of course, right, PT and the EDP are jumping on what is an interesting, and I think valid issue, and extending it to areas it has no relevance.fatshaft wrote:The UK actually. Why is it a disgrace?Peter Thompson wrote:Tories for PT or maybe the English Democratic Party
How anyone can vote for another 5 years of labour is behond me, a scottish prime minister & scottish chancellor running England / Westminster - its a disgrace.
It does pose an interesting question however, if Scotland, and Wales, and Northern Ireland want independence to administer their own will regarding education, for instance, where English MPs cannot vote on those issues, it does seem bizarre when those Scotish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs can vote regarding education in England, and not particularly fair and democratic. It doesn't affect broader issues which aren't covered by devolution, and so the idea of having a Scottish PM of the United Kingdom is in no way a disgrace, it is ludicrous jingoism to suggest it is, but the narrower issue of voting in parliament is an interesting effect of devolution, don't you think?
Are the EDP for Independence, or just a devolved English parliament?
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You can't have it both ways - In Scotland they get away with no tuition fees / prescription charges etc...but the English don't and have to pay for both which is totally unfair, and how its allowed to happen is shocking. The Scottish MP's (and Welsh / Irish) get to vote on issues that affect the English but no English MP's can vote on Scottish or Welsh issues.fatshaft wrote:The UK actually. Why is it a disgrace?Peter Thompson wrote:Tories for PT or maybe the English Democratic Party
How anyone can vote for another 5 years of labour is behond me, a scottish prime minister & scottish chancellor running England / Westminster - its a disgrace.
The opinion that having a Scottish PM & Chancellor is a disgrace, is my opinion - Its ok for the Scots & Welsh to want independence and self govern but not the English ?
If the Scots / Welsh want to go it alone then let them....in fact why not have Brown & the other guy running Scotland and let England also go it alone with an English PM & English Chancellor who have the best interests of England at heart not Scotland.
If we are the same country then all the UK should receive the same i.e. tuition & prescription charges
Peter Thompson wrote:You can't have it both ways - In Scotland they get away with no tuition fees / prescription charges etc...but the English don't and have to pay for both which is totally unfair, and how its allowed to happen is shocking. The Scottish MP's (and Welsh / Irish) get to vote on issues that affect the English but no English MP's can vote on Scottish or Welsh issues.fatshaft wrote:The UK actually. Why is it a disgrace?Peter Thompson wrote:Tories for PT or maybe the English Democratic Party
How anyone can vote for another 5 years of labour is behond me, a scottish prime minister & scottish chancellor running England / Westminster - its a disgrace.
The opinion that having a Scottish PM & Chancellor is a disgrace, is my opinion - Its ok for the Scots & Welsh to want independence and self govern but not the English ?
If the Scots / Welsh want to go it alone then let them....in fact why not have Brown & the other guy running Scotland and let England also go it alone with an English PM & English Chancellor who have the best interests of England at heart not Scotland.
If we are the same country then all the UK should receive the same i.e. tuition & prescription charges
part of the problem - or, at least, another facet of it - is that in Scotland and wales - not having capital-raising or tax-raising powers - the govt gets to do all the nice bits - like dishing out money - but blame someone else when it all runs out...
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Sounds familiar actually...thebish wrote: the govt gets to do all the nice bits - like dishing out money - but blame someone else when it all runs out...
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