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[Worthy4England]

Oh dearie, dearie, me. You do seem to have gone off on one here.

The concept is a simple one. Why should people be allowed to have children when they have no means of supporting them?

It's nothing to do with extermination, genocide ir anything else remotely so dramatic.

You are saying people have a right to have kids, I am saying along with that right, comes the obligation to be able to support them.

[William the White]

Oh dearie, dearie, me. You do seem to have gone off on one here.

The concept is a simple one. Why should people be allowed to have children when they have no means of supporting them?

It's nothing to do with extermination, genocide ir anything else remotely so dramatic.

You are saying people have a right to have kids, I am saying along with that right, comes the obligation to be able to support them.

And if you find they cannot? What are you saying? You know, undramatically...

[BWFC_Insane]

Oh dearie, dearie, me. You do seem to have gone off on one here.

The concept is a simple one. Why should people be allowed to have children when they have no means of supporting them?

It's nothing to do with extermination, genocide ir anything else remotely so dramatic.

You are saying people have a right to have kids, I am saying along with that right, comes the obligation to be able to support them.

Sorry W4E. Actually I should have put a disclaimer at the bottom of that post to say it was just a rant in jest!

I fully realise your opinion and know where you're coming from.

I was just carrying on the joke really.

Sorry if it came across wrong, needed one of those TD winks attached really!

[Worthy4England]

Oh dearie, dearie, me. You do seem to have gone off on one here.

The concept is a simple one. Why should people be allowed to have children when they have no means of supporting them?

It's nothing to do with extermination, genocide ir anything else remotely so dramatic.

You are saying people have a right to have kids, I am saying along with that right, comes the obligation to be able to support them.

And if you find they cannot? What are you saying? You know, undramatically...

Then like all normal thinking folk, you wouldn't bring a child into the world you couldn't possibly afford to support...

[William the White]

Oh dearie, dearie, me. You do seem to have gone off on one here.

The concept is a simple one. Why should people be allowed to have children when they have no means of supporting them?

It's nothing to do with extermination, genocide ir anything else remotely so dramatic.

You are saying people have a right to have kids, I am saying along with that right, comes the obligation to be able to support them.

And if you find they cannot? What are you saying? You know, undramatically...

Then like all normal thinking folk, you wouldn't bring a child into the world you couldn't possibly afford to support...

I'm very often in favour of behaving virtuously even if sin is frequently more tempting... So, when the feckless poor get pregnant, what should be done? I'm disappointed - it's not looking like much of a manifesto for a candidate-Minister...

[Worthy4England]

Oh dearie, dearie, me. You do seem to have gone off on one here.

The concept is a simple one. Why should people be allowed to have children when they have no means of supporting them?

It's nothing to do with extermination, genocide ir anything else remotely so dramatic.

You are saying people have a right to have kids, I am saying along with that right, comes the obligation to be able to support them.

And if you find they cannot? What are you saying? You know, undramatically...

Then like all normal thinking folk, you wouldn't bring a child into the world you couldn't possibly afford to support...

I'm very often in favour of behaving virtuously even if sin is frequently more tempting... So, when the feckless poor get pregnant, what should be done? I'm disappointed - it's not looking like much of a manifesto for a candidate-Minister...

First of all I'm candidate education minister...

However, when the feckless poor get pregnant, the state pays for an abortion.

We also provide contracaption largely free to the poor (as is the case today), morning after pills, yadda, yadda...

[BWFC_Insane]

Out of interest W4E what do you do with the poor who happen to be Catholic?

[William the White]

Oh, I'd love to see the Compulsory Abortion for the Feckless Poor Bill...

You wet feckin liberal, you...

[Worthy4England]

Out of interest W4E what do you do with the poor who happen to be Catholic?

I happen to be Catholic. My view is that it would be unCatholic to bring into the world a child that an individual can't provide for.

[Worthy4England]

Oh, I'd love to see the Compulsory Abortion for the Feckless Poor Bill...

You wet feckin liberal, you...

Not quite, if the Feckless Poor are too stupid to understand they might be pregnant after sex, then they're probably to stupid to breed. Hence the minimum GCSE requirement.

[William the White]

Out of interest W4E what do you do with the poor who happen to be Catholic?

I happen to be Catholic. My view is that it would be unCatholic to bring into the world a child that an individual can't provide for.

Definite minority opinion - which Catholic Theologian's insights are you following?

And, as a matter of interest, is it allowed for Catholic doctrine to care deeply and militantly about childrenis rights after they are born?

[William the White]

Oh, I'd love to see the Compulsory Abortion for the Feckless Poor Bill...

You wet feckin liberal, you...

Not quite, if the Feckless Poor are too stupid to understand they might be pregnant after sex, then they're probably to stupid to breed. Hence the minimum GCSE requirement.

Yet they seem to manage it...

[Gary the Enfield]

What about the feckless rich who abdicate child rearing and their parental responsibility to au pairs, nanny's and tennis coaches?

[Worthy4England]

Out of interest W4E what do you do with the poor who happen to be Catholic?

I happen to be Catholic. My view is that it would be unCatholic to bring into the world a child that an individual can't provide for.

Definite minority opinion - which Catholic Theologian's insights are you following?

And, as a matter of interest, is it allowed for Catholic doctrine to care deeply and militantly about childrenis rights after they are born?

I'm fairly sure I said in my view....

I didn't bring Catholicism into the debate.

I'm fairly keen to here whether people believe it's perfectably acceptable for people to have kids on the basis that someone else will pay for their upbringing?

[William the White]

Out of interest W4E what do you do with the poor who happen to be Catholic?

I happen to be Catholic. My view is that it would be unCatholic to bring into the world a child that an individual can't provide for.

Definite minority opinion - which Catholic Theologian's insights are you following?

And, as a matter of interest, is it allowed for Catholic doctrine to care deeply and militantly about childrenis rights after they are born?

I'm fairly sure I said in my view....

I didn't bring Catholicism into the debate.

I'm fairly keen to here whether people believe it's perfectably acceptable for people to have kids on the basis that someone else will pay for their upbringing?

To try and respond, then.

In what sense, pefectly acceptable? It isn't likely ever to be perfect. I certainly don't think it desirable. Whether it's acceptable is the problematic. It will happen, because it will, because it will.. So if it isn't 'acceptable' - what are the sanctions whereby society demonstrates its lack of acceptability? So far we've been offered forced abortion and castration. I recognise that one - at least - is facetious... No sanction so far offered is more acceptable to me than the original problem identified.

So, never desirable. To put it in your terms - 'imperfectly acceptable'.

It will be possible to convince me, perhaps, when you come up with a sanction that is not ludicrous - none managed so far - is socially acceptable and doesn't involve enforced control of other people's fertility.

[Lord Kangana]

What about the feckless rich who abdicate child rearing and their parental responsibility to au pairs, nanny's and tennis coaches?

Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure they'll do a good job for you.

[Worthy4England]

What about the feckless rich who abdicate child rearing and their parental responsibility to au pairs, nanny's and tennis coaches?

As long as the welfare state doesn't have to pay for it, then that's fine.

[Gary the Enfield]

What about the feckless rich who abdicate child rearing and their parental responsibility to au pairs, nanny's and tennis coaches?

Don't be so hard on yourself, I'm sure they'll do a good job for you.

Phew! I was worried I may have to drag Tarquin away from his Polo game to attend the rough and tumple at Upton park next week!

[Worthy4England]

Out of interest W4E what do you do with the poor who happen to be Catholic?

I happen to be Catholic. My view is that it would be unCatholic to bring into the world a child that an individual can't provide for.

Definite minority opinion - which Catholic Theologian's insights are you following?

And, as a matter of interest, is it allowed for Catholic doctrine to care deeply and militantly about childrenis rights after they are born?

I'm fairly sure I said in my view....

I didn't bring Catholicism into the debate.

I'm fairly keen to here whether people believe it's perfectably acceptable for people to have kids on the basis that someone else will pay for their upbringing?

To try and respond, then.

In what sense, pefectly acceptable? It isn't likely ever to be perfect. I certainly don't think it desirable. Whether it's acceptable is the problematic. It will happen, because it will, because it will.. So if it isn't 'acceptable' - what are the sanctions whereby society demonstrates its lack of acceptability? So far we've been offered forced abortion and castration. I recognise that one - at least - is facetious... No sanction so far offered is more acceptable to me than the original problem identified.

So, never desirable. To put it in your terms - 'imperfectly acceptable'.

It will be possible to convince me, perhaps, when you come up with a sanction that is not ludicrous - none managed so far - is socially acceptable and doesn't involve enforced control of other people's fertility.

Ok so let's get back to where we started - abortion or castration is an effect of an individual breaking the new law which requires a license to allow breeding, we said they'd need in the first place. Therefore it was their choice - they didn't accidently breed, as I think you sort of pointed out earlier.

So we're not enforcing any measures that relate to an individuals fertility, unless they choose to break the law.

[Gary the Enfield]

What about the feckless rich who abdicate child rearing and their parental responsibility to au pairs, nanny's and tennis coaches?

As long as the welfare state doesn't have to pay for it, then that's fine.

Who says they won't?

This thread started off about today's youth showing no respect and having no thought for the consequences of their actions. Does this have a glass ceiling?