The Politics Thread

[Gravedigger]

The 46000 job losses will be about ten times that. Lots of ancillary services are coupled. I believe that such damage has been caused over the years by successive governments and that the damage is irreversible. Kinloss closing will devastate a massive area of Scotland and the closure of Lossiemouth will no doubt follow. RAF Lyneham has been fingered, massive, massive damage to the Wiltshire area and sharp increase in unemployment. The loss of Nimrod MRA4s will allow the Russians to track and obtain the signatures of our nuclear deterrent submarines thus rendering us totally helpless and vulnerable. And no mention as to closing Portsmouth or Devonport, well not mentioned in the house, but certainly in the SDSR main document. Mind you the boarding school allowance, which pays part of fees at schools for serving officers, is to be scrapped so lots of officers will be forced to resign. Harrier force scrapped and lots of Harrier pilots extremely angry, may also resign, leaving the airforce deadly short of front line skills. The Argies, no doubt are already heading for Naval Base Belgrano.
Tomorrow will be another eye opener no doubt. That's one of the biggest problems from a succession of Scottish senior ministers sitting in Westminster. Alex Salmond will be rubbing his hands in glee.
Most of this will be to get into service two overpriced, non-usable Fresh Air Carriers.
And my retirement came just in time:-)

editted for spulling mistooks

[Prufrock]

Sorry chaps was quoteing from MSN comments on the story bruce was bob on with.


Pru, get in the real world Scrotes should have NO rights and you will see the tide turning against this Human anything larky just you watch. There should be one right of justice for victims, perpertators of wrong should suffer painfully and if they repeat the same offence be terminated

How do you decide if they are scrotes? Presumably by a trial. Do you believe everybody should have the right to a fair trial? I think I believe you actually saying you beleive folk should have the right to believe what they believe as long as they keep themselves to themselves. Are these not human rights then? Every time you say 'everybody should have the right to' you are talking about human rights. Are there people who take the piss with it? Of course, as there are with Political correctness, and Health and safety. Doesn't mean the ideas are bad ones.

[Bruce Rioja]

46000 people are now facing job losses in the United Kingdom... Well done Gordon. Well done indeed

Cuntstainedwanker

There, I fixed it for you.

there you go again Zulu, with your oft-repeated fantasy that Gordon Brown is still the PM... he's not - he really isn't - the buttock-faced moron actually did take over - it wasn't just a bad dream...

Absolutely - and how Cameron, Clegg and their acolytes have managed to overspend on the defence budget by £3.3 Billion, that's £3,300,000,000 (none of your Yankee 'math' around here) since May absolutely defies belief, dunnit?!

[Montreal Wanderer]

46000 people are now facing job losses in the United Kingdom... Well done Gordon. Well done indeed

Cuntstainedwanker

There, I fixed it for you.

there you go again Zulu, with your oft-repeated fantasy that Gordon Brown is still the PM... he's not - he really isn't - the buttock-faced moron actually did take over - it wasn't just a bad dream...

Absolutely - and how Cameron, Clegg and their acolytes have managed to overspend on the defence budget by £3.3 Billion, that's £3,300,000,000 (none of your Yankee 'math' around here) since May absolutely defies belief, dunnit?!

Do you mean rather 3,300,000,000,000?

[Hoboh]

Sorry chaps was quoteing from MSN comments on the story bruce was bob on with.


Pru, get in the real world Scrotes should have NO rights and you will see the tide turning against this Human anything larky just you watch. There should be one right of justice for victims, perpertators of wrong should suffer painfully and if they repeat the same offence be terminated

How do you decide if they are scrotes?
Easy they wear hoodies and hang around corner shops and shopping centres or booze in back streets and parks Presumably by a trial. Do you believe everybody should have the right to a fair trial?
Yes I do as long as the result is guilty as charged I think I believe you actually saying you beleive folk should have the right to believe what they believe as long as they keep themselves to themselves. Are these not human rights then?
No they are your or my opinions
Every time you say 'everybody should have the right to' you are talking about human rights. Are there people who take the piss with it? Of course, as there are with Political correctness, and Health and safety. Doesn't mean the ideas are bad ones.
I think we are as near to agreeing here as we ever will Pru

[thebish]

Well, that's alright then.

It's Broon's smoking gun though.

hmmm - so - what are the current lot doing to correct Brown's error - and to correct the even worse policy they held at the time that error was made?

Not a clue Bish - they don't confide in me. I'm guessing that they've got a long list of wrongs to right though.

to be fair - you haven't a clue because THEY don't...

[CAPSLOCK]

The irony of the chatter following todays announcements is lefty unions fighting for more spending on the military

[Bruce Rioja]

46000 people are now facing job losses in the United Kingdom... Well done Gordon. Well done indeed

Cuntstainedwanker

There, I fixed it for you.

there you go again Zulu, with your oft-repeated fantasy that Gordon Brown is still the PM... he's not - he really isn't - the buttock-faced moron actually did take over - it wasn't just a bad dream...

Absolutely - and how Cameron, Clegg and their acolytes have managed to overspend on the defence budget by £3.3 Billion, that's £3,300,000,000 (none of your Yankee 'math' around here) since May absolutely defies belief, dunnit?!

Do you mean rather 3,300,000,000,000?

No. 3.3 x 10 to the power of 9 = 3.3 Billion.

[Montreal Wanderer]

There, I fixed it for you.

there you go again Zulu, with your oft-repeated fantasy that Gordon Brown is still the PM... he's not - he really isn't - the buttock-faced moron actually did take over - it wasn't just a bad dream...

Absolutely - and how Cameron, Clegg and their acolytes have managed to overspend on the defence budget by £3.3 Billion, that's £3,300,000,000 (none of your Yankee 'math' around here) since May absolutely defies belief, dunnit?!

Do you mean rather 3,300,000,000,000?

No. 3.3 x 10 to the power of 9 = 3.3 Billion.

I was wondering whether you meant (as you wrote) 3.3 thousand million (an American billion) or, as implied by the Yankee remark, 3.3 million million (a British billion) as I thought I wrote. Your explanation, which I am sure is mathematically sound, is not something I can comprehend (I don't have enough fingers). I was just wondering which 3.3 billion you meant - apparently American then.

[Bruce Rioja]

Monty - my apologies. I had it in my head that we use a thousand million and America uses a hundred million. Turns out that we both now use a thousand million although we did used to use a million million, so I'm wrong on the Yankee part.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Monty - my apologies. I had it in my head that we use a thousand million and America uses a hundred million. Turns out that we both now use a thousand million although we did used to use a million million, so I'm wrong on the Yankee part.

Ah, well I didn't realize you had moved to the American billion either. So now we can say a billion is a billion anywhere.

[BWFC_Insane]

So looks like half a million public sector workers will be out of a job over the next few years.

Estimates suggest the knock on effect will leave slightly more private sector workers out of work, despite what this government might like to spin.

Over a million unemployed.

Unsurprisingly the majority will be middle to lower incomes.

But thats ok, the bankers still get their bonuses.

I have sympathy with those men and women whose lives are ripped apart by this and whose families suffer significantly through this. Its the human element that matters most.

But whats worse is these announcements are used to try and score cheap political points.

Cameron, Osborne and the rest of the Tory lot, I hope you die slow and painful deaths, and then rot in hell where you deserve to be.

Rant over.

[Bruce Rioja]

So the cuts are unneccessary then are they, BWFCI? Dear God.

[boltonboris]

I'd happily pay extra tax if it meant the jobs of myself and my fiancee were safe and secure.. Increasing TAX must surely eliminate some of the need for these cuts.

[BWFC_Insane]

So the cuts are unneccessary then are they, BWFCI? Dear God.

Nobody ever said that. The cuts they are making and the speed they are doing them at is very dangerous IMO and the opinion of many economic experts.

At the end of the day though the people who will take the brunt are those who can't really afford to do so. As ever with a Tory government. One of my longest friends is likely to lose her job soon and with it quite possibly her family home and in essence entire life. The recession is not her fault. But she is a victim of savage and speedy cuts that are poorly targetted IMO.

Now that is the human element. The ones the Tories don't want to talk about.

In the same breath "The banks must be better regulated and are in part to blame for the situation we're in(Oh yea Mr Cameron, I seem to recall you voting for even less regulation not so long ago, wanker) but we can't punish them too much because they employ a lot of people".

In other words all your ex Eton cronies might lose their fooking christmas bonuses. They are indefensible in my eyes. And I will campaign against them every day until they are gone.

[ratbert]

George Osborne, the man with a £4m trust fund from mummy and daddy, ordering people in his reedy little voice where to cut back and save money. Hmm.

As a public sector worker, I resent deeply being forced to bear the brunt of the champers and pinstripe brigade's recklessness, but... I'm not churlish enough to say there aren't some sensible things in the spending review - there are (green investment, science, for example). I'm just not sure much of it isn't naive. Where will the new private sector jobs be created? What sort of jobs will these be? Will voluntary organisations have the support and capacity to take up public sector functions? How do you sort the genuine welfare cases from the lead-swingers without increasing administration costs?

This review is going to raise far more questions than answers, and I'm not sure the coalition will be able to avoid slipping on several banana skins in its headlong rush to implement all this in just four years.

[BWFC_Insane]

Fewer police officers as well.

Hmmmm Hoboh will be happy.

[Bruce Rioja]

Fewer police officers as well.

Hmmmm Hoboh will be happy.

On the point of Police Officers. Now, mine might be a rather simplistic view, but if we have a problem with Coppers spending more time writing about crime than solving it, how come we have Coppers retiring at 52? Shouldn't there be a point at which they're taken out of active service and given jobs back at the station, thus freeing up the Bobby on the beat, and then working to a proper age like the rest of us?

[TANGODANCER]

Parliament, of course, have always had the best interests of the poor at heart:

The taxes imposed by Parliament extracted even more funds than taxes imposed by Charles I, especially from the poor. The excise tax was very regressive, increasing the tax on the poor so much that the Smithfield riots occurred in 1647. The riots occurred because the new taxes lowered rural laborers ability to buy wheat to the point where a family of four would starve. In addition to the excise tax, the common lands used for hunting by the peasant class were enclosed and peasant hunting was banned (hooray for Robin Hood).

From the History of Taxation.

[BWFC_Insane]

I really like Alan Johnson.