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Who will you be voting for?

Labour
13
41%
Conservatives
12
38%
Liberal Democrats
2
6%
UK Independence Party (UKIP)
0
No votes
Green Party
3
9%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
Planet Hobo
1
3%
 
Total votes: 32

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Post by Prufrock » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:35 pm

Have I missed something in the last 18months? I've been pondering this for the last 18months, and my question, is, what is the point of all this deficit cutting? Hear me out on this. We've just spent two and a half years hearing talk of recession, credit crunch fecking economy this economy that. We've just had an election fought almost entirely on an economic plane. It's always the economy. But what is the economy. To most people it is an abstract concept, yet an abstract concept we were told is of the upmost importance, and that people should vote accordingly. The economy we are told was crucial, otherwise people would lose jobs, houses, benefits, and public services would be hit. Now we are told that in order to save the economy, jobs, benefits, and public services must be cut, and many will lose their homes. The economy is a means to an end, and if the quality of life is shit, then what's the point. Let China send in the bailiffs.

People to blame for the economic woes: Bankers, politicians.

People not to blame: Low income families.

Guess who gets shafted?

Are we feck all in this together. Georgie has a trust fund set to avoid £1.6million in inheritance tax. This is somehow seen as acceptable whilst we have sweeping cuts affecting the needy. I only need to mention the words 'Lord Ashcroft'. They are all a bunch of c*nts. Labour can't well criticise either though can they? It's a Tory idea, embraced by New Labour, and who foots the bill?

Also, word to the banks, can we have our f*cking money back please? I was watching the news before, and they tried to make out it would be difficult to get the money back, coz obviously we don't want to hurt them again. We own them! Where is our cut of Lloyds' profits?
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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:38 pm

Don't be so stupid, of course its all our fault. Theres no such thing as cause and effect. You know, like we help you out to all stay in business, now its your turn.
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Post by thebish » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:47 pm

Prufrock wrote:
People to blame for the economic woes: Bankers, politicians.
the average UK wage is currently just over £25,000 per annum

your ordinary MP (before extras) earns a basic salary of just over £65,000 per annum

your ordinary cabinet member earns a basic salary (before extras) of about £135,000 per annum


ANY MP and ANY cabinet member urging restraint on nurses, bin men, council workers, street cleaners, ambulance drivers and firemen (to pick a few examples) - should have their salary pegged to the UK national average.

in fact - serious question - WHY not peg MPs and cabinet members salaries to the national average - IF we are all in this together?

we clearly are not.

and - they seem a damn sight more eager to deal with civil service pensions than their own too... The current scheme allows MPs who have served for 20 years or more to retire on about £30,000 a year..

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Post by Gary the Enfield » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:58 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Don't be so stupid, of course its all our fault. Theres no such thing as cause and effect. You know, like we help you out to all stay in business, now its your turn.
It's our fault 'cos we voted for them. And it wouldn't matter who we voted in. All three parties are a bunch of self-serving c*nts.

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:01 pm

thebish wrote:in fact - serious question - WHY not peg MPs and cabinet members salaries to the national average - IF we are all in this together?
Because anyone with the gumption to earn above the average salary wouldn't bother with trying to become an MP, probably.
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Post by thebish » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:03 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
thebish wrote:in fact - serious question - WHY not peg MPs and cabinet members salaries to the national average - IF we are all in this together?
Because anyone with the gumption to earn above the average salary wouldn't bother with trying to become an MP, probably.

why not?

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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:07 pm

Gary the Enfield wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:Don't be so stupid, of course its all our fault. Theres no such thing as cause and effect. You know, like we help you out to all stay in business, now its your turn.
It's our fault 'cos we voted for them. And it wouldn't matter who we voted in. All three parties are a bunch of self-serving c*nts.
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Post by Gary the Enfield » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:09 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:
Gary the Enfield wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:Don't be so stupid, of course its all our fault. Theres no such thing as cause and effect. You know, like we help you out to all stay in business, now its your turn.
It's our fault 'cos we voted for them. And it wouldn't matter who we voted in. All three parties are a bunch of self-serving c*nts.
Can I vote for you?
Are you gullible enough?

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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:15 pm

Depends if you promise not to take advantage if I am.
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Post by Gary the Enfield » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:40 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Depends if you promise not to take advantage if I am.
Okay, I promise. Tell you what, I'll even sign a pledge. How's that?

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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:42 pm

Nah, we don't need contracts. Just do like the banks and really, really promise me you'll be good and pay us back, honest.
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Post by Gary the Enfield » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:55 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Nah, we don't need contracts. Just do like the banks and really, really promise me you'll be good and pay us back, honest.
Okay, done.

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Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:58 pm

It wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by Prufrock » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:00 pm

Gary the Enfield wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:Nah, we don't need contracts. Just do like the banks and really, really promise me you'll be good and pay us back, honest.
Okay, done.
Are you in charge now then?

If so, on your own, or did you need to form a coalition with the Hoboh party? A coalition, keeping with reality, where Hoboh goes back on every promise and agrees with free kittens and coke for paedos? And nuclear disarmament.
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:08 pm

thebish wrote:
Prufrock wrote:
People to blame for the economic woes: Bankers, politicians.
the average UK wage is currently just over £25,000 per annum

your ordinary MP (before extras) earns a basic salary of just over £65,000 per annum

your ordinary cabinet member earns a basic salary (before extras) of about £135,000 per annum

.
You forgot the average Stoke supporter makes more than CAPSLOCK (but less than Bobo).
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Post by Gary the Enfield » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:06 am

Prufrock wrote:
Gary the Enfield wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:Nah, we don't need contracts. Just do like the banks and really, really promise me you'll be good and pay us back, honest.
Okay, done.
Are you in charge now then?

If so, on your own, or did you need to form a coalition with the Hoboh party? A coalition, keeping with reality, where Hoboh goes back on every promise and agrees with free kittens and coke for paedos? And nuclear disarmament.
I'm going to form a coalition party with Hoboh. That way I blame him for things not working, he blames me and together we skim off enough money to fund the Planet Hoboh Space Programme ''Consolidated Union (of) National (extra)Terrestrial Scientists''

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Post by superjohnmcginlay » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:45 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-h ... s-11605365

oops

They might need to find a bit more money for a new sub.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:55 pm

superjohnmcginlay wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-h ... s-11605365

oops

They might need to find a bit more money for a new sub.
Not a very astute move that.

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Post by Prufrock » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:39 pm

I thought it said "run aground off Skype".
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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Fri Oct 22, 2010 7:00 pm

Prufrock wrote:Have I missed something in the last 18months? I've been pondering this for the last 18months, and my question, is, what is the point of all this deficit cutting? Hear me out on this. We've just spent two and a half years hearing talk of recession, credit crunch fecking economy this economy that. We've just had an election fought almost entirely on an economic plane. It's always the economy. But what is the economy. To most people it is an abstract concept, yet an abstract concept we were told is of the upmost importance, and that people should vote accordingly. The economy we are told was crucial, otherwise people would lose jobs, houses, benefits, and public services would be hit. Now we are told that in order to save the economy, jobs, benefits, and public services must be cut, and many will lose their homes. The economy is a means to an end, and if the quality of life is shit, then what's the point. Let China send in the bailiffs.

People to blame for the economic woes: Bankers, politicians.

People not to blame: Low income families.

Guess who gets shafted?

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Also, word to the banks, can we have our f*cking money back please? I was watching the news before, and they tried to make out it would be difficult to get the money back, coz obviously we don't want to hurt them again. We own them! Where is our cut of Lloyds' profits?
The economy is an abstract concept?

:shock:

This country currently pays £120million a day in interest on its debt. That's not abstract is it?


As for Osborne - his dad has given him a big gift of the family business during his lifetime. Is it really that outrageous for parents to pass on the fruits of their success to their kids? I hope I can do it one day, put it that way.
Prufrock wrote: Like money hasn't always talked. You might not like it, or disagree, but it's the truth. It's a basic incentive, people always have, and always will want what's best for themselves and their families

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