Elmander to be offered new contract?

[Lofthouse Lower]

Well if he carries on the form that he's in and fires us to Europe then the prize money would eclipse any fee we might receive, plus the lad would be more encouraged to stay on.

[BWFC_Insane]

Hodgson does like his scandinavian's so maybe Elmander would suit him.

Either way though, the offer of a one-year deal seems pretty shit to me. I wouldn't sign that in his position, and I support the club, so why would he?

The club's financial position is what it is, but I'm slightly disapointed that we've seemingly yet to offer him something competitive. I just don't see this great saving we're going to make by not getting him signed up and losing him. £3mil won't cover the transfer fee, let alone their 3yrs of wages + signing on and agents fee's.

Tom I suppose there are two issues with giving him a big long term contract.

1) His form may drop back to where it was, for many reasons, he might pick up niggling injuries like before, he might lose confidence his new baby might distract him Nolan style etc...then we're saddled with him one a huge salary we can't really afford and are once again unable to sell him.

2) He's apparently level with the top earners already, giving him more could lead us to having to increase offers to our other top players. Not good when our wage bill is already 86% of our turnover.

I do trust Coyle and Gartside to get it right. We haven't lost too many players who you'd really kick them for, and this is a strange situation to be in. We also don't know its about money per se, perhaps his wife or Elmo himself is thinking about a move to Europe. Perhaps Sampions lig clubs really are interested. Who knows?

[Odelay]

Hodgson does like his scandinavian's so maybe Elmander would suit him.

Either way though, the offer of a one-year deal seems pretty shit to me. I wouldn't sign that in his position, and I support the club, so why would he?

The club's financial position is what it is, but I'm slightly disapointed that we've seemingly yet to offer him something competitive. I just don't see this great saving we're going to make by not getting him signed up and losing him. £3mil won't cover the transfer fee, let alone their 3yrs of wages + signing on and agents fee's.

And if it gets to the end of the season and we can't afford him, why not sell? Just seems like a short term fix or delaying the inevitable.

[thebish]

Well if he carries on the form that he's in and fires us to Europe then the prize money would eclipse any fee we might receive, plus the lad would be more encouraged to stay on.

hmmm - not sure that much profit from the early rounds of the UEFA (or whatever it is called now) is THAT guaranteed - don't a few clubs actually make a loss?

[Lofthouse Lower]

bish, that's a path trod too often - I was referring to prize money awarded for finishing 1st-6th rather than anything after that.

[thebish]

his new baby might distract him Nolan style etc...

his first 2 goals this season at the Reebok came AFTER the baby arrived...

[seanworth]

Well if he carries on the form that he's in and fires us to Europe then the prize money would eclipse any fee we might receive, plus the lad would be more encouraged to stay on.

hmmm - not sure that much profit from the early rounds of the UEFA (or whatever it is called now) is THAT guaranteed - don't a few clubs actually make a loss?

[thebish]

bish, that's a path trod too often - I was referring to prize money awarded for finishing 1st-6th rather than anything after that.

ahhh...

last season, each place was worth an additional £800,000

so - on last year's figures (we finished 14th and got £5,600,000)

if we finish 6th - we'd get £12,000,000 (ie. £6,400,000 more than last year)

if we won it - we'd get £16,000,000 and pay for Garty's moat to be cleaned....

[Lofthouse Lower]

Aye, therefore he could be worth more to us by letting his deal run down, if he's asking the earth

[thebish]

and if he goes to Liverpool, let's be honest - we never liked him!

[Lofthouse Lower]

The bastard

[Tombwfc]

Tom I suppose there are two issues with giving him a big long term contract.

1) His form may drop back to where it was, for many reasons, he might pick up niggling injuries like before, he might lose confidence his new baby might distract him Nolan style etc...then we're saddled with him one a huge salary we can't really afford and are once again unable to sell him.

Where's the guarantee that his replacement would be any good? All those things could happen to him too.

Elmander is settled here, knows his role in the side and gets on well with the manager. For me he's infinately more likely to perform well in those circumstances than anyone else we could attract.

Even playing like he did pre-Coyle, he wasn't terrible by any stretch. I think a lot would go along with EL's idea (regardless of whether he meant it) that Elmo's performances would've been acceptable had we signed him on a free. Effectively that's what we would be doing now.

2) He's apparently level with the top earners already, giving him more could lead us to having to increase offers to our other top players. Not good when our wage bill is already 86% of our turnover.

I'm not suggesting offering him a massive pay-rise, I said I wanted us to make a competitive offer. The original story from Nixon was that we were asking him to take a hefty pay-cut, now it's that we're offering him a one-year deal. He'd have to have the world's worst agent to agree to any of those.

If we're serious about keeping him, we've yet to show it based off what is being reported. If we offered him 3 years @ what he's currently on and he left anyway, fair enough. The club could quite rightly say that they tried and I'd agree with them.

[Lofthouse Lower]

Well, Thomas, you don't go in for negotiations with your best hand right away.

[Tombwfc]

True as that may be, it's still a very odd opening offer.

Would a one-year deal significantly benefit us?

[Lofthouse Lower]

Yes, because then we'd be able to budget for the same expenditure, but with the security of being able to sell him in the summer if someone offers us a good wedge. Not to mention the possible rewards of the enhanced prize money for a top eight finish.

[thebish]

Yes, because then we'd be able to budget for the same expenditure, but with the security of being able to sell him in the summer if someone offers us a good wedge. Not to mention the possible rewards of the enhanced prize money for a top eight finish.

less confident already!! you said top 6 before!!

[Lofthouse Lower]

8th is worse case scenario

[bobo the clown]

bish, that's a path trod too often - I was referring to prize money awarded for finishing 1st-6th rather than anything after that.

ahhh...

last season, each place was worth an additional £800,000

so - on last year's figures (we finished 14th and got £5,600,000)

if we finish 6th - we'd get £12,000,000 (ie. £6,400,000 more than last year)

if we won it - we'd get £16,000,000 and pay for Garty's moat to be cleaned....

If we won it I'D clean his fckg moat. If only to stop people on here wanking on the Town Hall steps.

[thebish]

8th is worse case scenario

that would only net us £10,400,000 - or... a new gold-plated toaster for Warby...

[Lofthouse Lower]

I would rather we took the Ben Haim stance than anything else, and let his contract run down.