Time Up For Jussi?

[BWFC_Insane]

Seems to me from being on here that it's all Jussi's fault. And Cahill's, he's shit too. As is Knight. And Steinsson. And Robinson, but Alonso's never a defender and Samuel can f*ck off. Moving into midfield, Muamba's limited, but not as limited as Cohen, and Mark Davies can't play in the middle 'cos he couldn't tackle a fish supper. Petrov can't be arsed, but don't get me started on Taylor. Up front, Elmo clearly wants to leave and Kevin Davies is a one-dimensional donkey years past his best.

Domed.

You forgot the Manager's culpability in all this. After all he sets the tactics.

But I think the point's well made.

In our side over the course of a season, you could probably make a point for dropping anyone, when the reality is that we're at best a mid-table team with a budget that is unsustainable were it not for Eddie Davies. We are able to afford players who don't necessarily play above themselves week in and week out - it's probably why Barca aren't offering £50m for each of them, but when it comes down to it, they manage to keep us in the Prem and have done for 10 years now - which in itself is a major achievement.

But there always has to be someone to blame.

To be fair Worthy that sounds remarkably similar to one of the arguments I'd have trotted out in defence of Megson whilst he was here!

Well yes - sort of - the personnel on the pitch aren't that much different at the minute, so it's not unreasonable that in some part the argument still holds good.

When we've given Coyle £40m to spend, we could come back and take another look...

Aye but to be fair neither did Coyle inherit a squad with Lubomir Michalik and Abdoulaye Meite as the back two.

[Worthy4England]

Aye but to be fair neither did Coyle inherit a squad with Lubomir Michalik and Abdoulaye Meite as the back two.

Nor did Coyle inherit a squad that finished 7th the season before.

[BWFC_Insane]

Aye but to be fair neither did Coyle inherit a squad with Lubomir Michalik and Abdoulaye Meite as the back two.

Nor did Coyle inherit a squad that finished 7th the season before.

No the one he had finished 13th, which you seem to be suggesting is "bout reet".

[Worthy4England]

Aye but to be fair neither did Coyle inherit a squad with Lubomir Michalik and Abdoulaye Meite as the back two.

Nor did Coyle inherit a squad that finished 7th the season before.

No the one he had finished 13th, which you seem to be suggesting is "bout reet".

No - I said at best a mid table team (10th) 3 places above that (7th) has to be a major bonus, 3 places below it (13th) after spunking the family jewels has to be a disappointment.

[BWFC_Insane]

Aye but to be fair neither did Coyle inherit a squad with Lubomir Michalik and Abdoulaye Meite as the back two.

Nor did Coyle inherit a squad that finished 7th the season before.

No the one he had finished 13th, which you seem to be suggesting is "bout reet".

No - I said at best a mid table team (10th) 3 places above that (7th) has to be a major bonus, 3 places below it (13th) after spunking the family jewels has to be a disappointment.

I'm just playing around! We know Coyle is better, creates a better atomosphere amongst fans and players.

And I agree with you, people expect too much and lay blame on players when things go wrong. Same has happened though probably forever. But in the instant society we seem to be now its worse.

[Worthy4England]

And I agree with you, people expect too much and lay blame on players when things go wrong. Same has happened though probably forever. But in the instant society we seem to be now its worse.

The point I'm making is, if you'd told me at the end of Jan we'd be 10th at the start of the season, I'd have taken it greatfully. I'm more concerned about us being 13th/14th if teams win their game in hand and I don't see our next batch of fixtures being gimmies, given our current form, but it seems to me to be collective form, rather than one or two individuals.

[BWFC_Insane]

And I agree with you, people expect too much and lay blame on players when things go wrong. Same has happened though probably forever. But in the instant society we seem to be now its worse.

The point I'm making is, if you'd told me at the end of Jan we'd be 10th at the start of the season, I'd have taken it greatfully. I'm more concerned about us being 13th/14th if teams win their game in hand and I don't see our next batch of fixtures being gimmies, given our current form, but it seems to me to be collective form, rather than one or two individuals.

Agreed. The squad is small and suffered over Christmas.

I mean who could see that coming?

I'm sure there wasn't a thread about it anywhere on here......

[aussie_wanderer]

HE HAD ONE bad game
his defenders didnt help him
steinson to blame for first goal
surely ricketts is better at right back?
steinson hasnt showed the form he once did

[ohjimmyjimmy]

I think we're 11th now....ooh eck.

[bedwetter2]

The original post is valid. It is easy to mix the current with the past.

The fact is we have two players in Jussi and Davies who are coming to the end of their careers as Premiership standard footballers. They can't help it, we can't. Just a fact of life that father time catches up with us all. For something approaching two years I have seen a deterioration in both KD's performances and the increasingly erratic Jussi. Sure they can both turn it on and have a good game occasionally, rarely in the same game. But not as often as in the past.

One more cliche; the spirit may be willing, but the flesh is starting to get a bit saggy.

Both have been great servants to the club and we should always remember that, but I think now is the time when their replacements must be under active consideration.

As far as the rest of the team is concerned you have to remember that the majority of modern footballers now see their employment as a job. The greater thinkers may well acknowledge that they are very lucky and extremely well paid for doing that job, but the general level of passion amongst a team is a lot lower than that of the fans. If I were first team player at Bolton I would take it as a personal insult that we let in 4 goals without reply against a team who themselves had appeared to be in freefall only the day before. I'll wager that most of our players don't see it that way - they will shrug their shoulders (possibly as a Frenchman might) and wait for the boss to tell them what to do in the next game.

[BWFC_Wyles]

Agree with all of that bedwetter. I absolutely love the guy, but when Davo came on twitter the day after the game to say he was sulking it rattled me a bit. He obviously cares, as do a lot of them, but he can only be sulking about his own diabolical performance on Monday.

[Lofthouse Lower]

he got a virtual-shooeing for that, though

[BWFC_Wyles]

True he did, and rightly so

[plymouth wanderer]

The original post is valid. It is easy to mix the current with the past.

The fact is we have two players in Jussi and Davies who are coming to the end of their careers as Premiership standard footballers. They can't help it, we can't. Just a fact of life that father time catches up with us all. For something approaching two years I have seen a deterioration in both KD's performances and the increasingly erratic Jussi. Sure they can both turn it on and have a good game occasionally, rarely in the same game. But not as often as in the past.

One more cliche; the spirit may be willing, but the flesh is starting to get a bit saggy.

Both have been great servants to the club and we should always remember that, but I think now is the time when their replacements must be under active consideration.

As far as the rest of the team is concerned you have to remember that the majority of modern footballers now see their employment as a job. The greater thinkers may well acknowledge that they are very lucky and extremely well paid for doing that job, but the general level of passion amongst a team is a lot lower than that of the fans. If I were first team player at Bolton I would take it as a personal insult that we let in 4 goals without reply against a team who themselves had appeared to be in freefall only the day before. I'll wager that most of our players don't see it that way - they will shrug their shoulders (possibly as a Frenchman might) and wait for the boss to tell them what to do in the next game.

i agree m8

would be nice to see ali in goal nxt season http://www.newsnow.co.uk/A/472569179?-11201" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Hoboh]

I'm just playing around! We know Coyle is better, creates a better atomosphere amongst fans and players.

And I agree with you, people expect too much and lay blame on players when things go wrong. Same has happened though probably forever. But in the instant society we seem to be now its worse.

Sorry!! but who the hell is too blame then?

When your forwards cannot hit a barn door again or get well marshalled by big tough defenders and everyone knows in the Prem if you don't take your few chances you will be punished, your midfield gets walked through at will, your defenders forget its a team game and your keeper misses the easier saves but pulls off blinders for the impossible.

Of course its the players and their attitude thats what Coyle has to counter!

[Tals-biggest-fan]

I can't believe we're even talking about replacing Jussi, arguably the best keeper we've ever had, someone who isn't past it yet, if keepers like Van der sar and Friedal can play into their 40's then Jussi who IMO is much better then the two can keeper playing the the best of his ability, Jussi should and will remain our number 1 choice!

[CAPSLOCK]

Lets get Jensen in

Is Fred Barber back in post?

[Riviman]

What the ???????????? is that???????

[plymouth wanderer]

found a cracking replacement for jussi

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