The Politics Thread

[hisroyalgingerness]

Ugh, Labour Party Conference. Cue cringe-worthy sound bites from the nasal one slating the current state of the economy, which errr yeah Ed, you kinda caused.

Starting with limiting uni fees. Well done. Limit them and shift the responsibility BACK to the tax payer, back to the source that we have already established can't afford to support the high levels of teenagers going through to get their token degree and snakebite diploma.

[Hoboh]

I don't follow.

I'm saying that while we might have this romantic view that it should be possible just to move around wherever you fancy, just like we have a romantic view of lots of elements of medieval life that aren't possible today, it just isn't on in modern society.

Land and housing is too scarce too keep areas free, just in case that's where 'travellers' try to pitch up that week. And taking part in modern life involves paying income tax and council and sending your kids to a local school, and all the rest of it. Now, all of us are likely to find opting out of this life appealing from time to time, but we accept it's not possible.

So, how do you propose to put a stop to it?

Put them all in prison?

Place the children into care?

Can I revert back to the quaint historical notion of serfdom?

I would put the children into care, unless they can show evidence of constant and decent schooling - and by that, I don't mean achieving high marks, just that they attend regularly. Which given they're travelling a lot, I would expect is a bit difficult...

You think they would thrive better? Evidence?

I know you'll have some numbers...

I know you'll come out with some words...

What would you like evidence of?

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/resources/educ ... g-children" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Shows the education of travelling children report, mainly on attendance...I guess they gave up before "results"....

Explain the thriving thing? Should we pull kids out of your class, because it doesn't achieve much?

We could of course sack all the teachers and profs who are failing our kids as well I suppose!! Seems nowadays the educationalist elite are more interested in politics and money than educating!

[Worthy4England]

Ugh, Labour Party Conference. Cue cringe-worthy sound bites from the nasal one slating the current state of the economy, which errr yeah Ed, you kinda caused.

Starting with limiting uni fees. Well done. Limit them and shift the responsibility BACK to the tax payer, back to the source that we have already established can't afford to support the high levels of teenagers going through to get their token degree and snakebite diploma.

Look on the bright side. Tory's up next. They can tell us of their achievements from their first 18 months in power. Should make it a short conference - will probably be able to fit it in an ad break.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I don't follow.

I'm saying that while we might have this romantic view that it should be possible just to move around wherever you fancy, just like we have a romantic view of lots of elements of medieval life that aren't possible today, it just isn't on in modern society.

Land and housing is too scarce too keep areas free, just in case that's where 'travellers' try to pitch up that week. And taking part in modern life involves paying income tax and council and sending your kids to a local school, and all the rest of it. Now, all of us are likely to find opting out of this life appealing from time to time, but we accept it's not possible.

you might accept that alternative lifestyles to your on are not possible - I don't. being a traditional traveler is not about "opting out" of your lifestyle.

Please, it really isn't just about alternative lifestyles to mine. Opting out of tax and schooling is not a 'lifestyle' choice.

Why must we insist on prefacing references to travellers with the word 'traditional'? All sort of things that were once 'traditional' just don't fly in the modern world. I thought I was the conservative here...

[thebish]

Ugh, Labour Party Conference. Cue cringe-worthy sound bites from the nasal one slating the current state of the economy, which errr yeah Ed, you kinda caused.

how so?

[hisroyalgingerness]

Overspending beyond our means?

[thebish]

Overspending beyond our means?

ahh - I see - you believe that the economic crisis was down to government spending (presumably on nurses and schools and stuff...)

[Prufrock]

Ed Miliband who was Secretary of State for the pissing environment?

Anyway, it's all well and good saying we can't afford to pay for degrees, but the only way we are getting out of this is with quality jobs, not 2 GCSE's and a BTEC. Coz anything we can make, China, India, Brazil can all make cheaper.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Overspending beyond our means?

ahh - I see - you believe that the economic crisis was down to government spending (presumably on nurses and schools and stuff...)

No, no, no. I'm just trying to Sunday afternoon simplify it. I'm sure once we go on about mis-management of financial market, directing our country into a being uncompetitive in manufacturing industries and spunking money on benefit handouts we could be here all week.

[Prufrock]

Fair enough. Ed's fault it is.

[Worthy4England]

Overspending beyond our means?

ahh - I see - you believe that the economic crisis was down to government spending (presumably on nurses and schools and stuff...)

But the Sun said that was all down to the UK Government not a global banking crisis out of the US. So it must be true.

[thebish]

US financiers show the people that they really do get it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PiXDTK_ ... r_embedded

[thebish]

has anyone actually heard from George Osborne recently - you know, the chancellor at this time when global financial meltdown is predicted all around us?? Is he still in the country??? I've heard Dave talk about it - and Vincey - but not a peep from Georgey... where is he?

[Lord Kangana]

The mans busy.

He's got after school classes in economics to deal with.

[Verbal]

has anyone actually heard from George Osborne recently - you know, the chancellor at this time when global financial meltdown is predicted all around us?? Is he still in the country??? I've heard Dave talk about it - and Vincey - but not a peep from Georgey... where is he?

The G20 summit in washington I'd guess...

[CrazyHorse]

has anyone actually heard from George Osborne recently

I believe he poked Theresa May last night.

[thebish]

has anyone actually heard from George Osborne recently - you know, the chancellor at this time when global financial meltdown is predicted all around us?? Is he still in the country??? I've heard Dave talk about it - and Vincey - but not a peep from Georgey... where is he?

The G20 summit in washington I'd guess...

I think the summit is in Cannes sometime in November...

[Verbal]

Well they met in washington on thursday any way. G20 dinner party?

[thebish]

Well they met in washington on thursday any way. G20 dinner party?

aye - but I doubt it took more than a couple of days...

he certainly looks worse for wear!

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

has anyone actually heard from George Osborne recently - you know, the chancellor at this time when global financial meltdown is predicted all around us?? Is he still in the country??? I've heard Dave talk about it - and Vincey - but not a peep from Georgey... where is he?

I've said for some time that we need to give him as little airtime as possible because he's fundamentally unlikeable, whether he's talking sense or not...