Time to go

[BL3]

I am as upset as anyone with our form and league position but I see no value in changing a manager who has delivered in the past.

Exactly. It's not even the distant past either. We were in the top half for most of last season. Elmander, Sturridge, CYL and Holden are no longer part of the team and he's been asked to replace them on a Championship budget. Most teams would struggle to replace over a third of their first choice team, let alone one without the resources to do so.

[Wandering Willy]

I wonder how long the fixture card is going to be played for? When we are in the championship, league one?

Fact is we've played the three promoted teams and managed one PPG against three teams we have to target for points.

Keep burying your head in the sand if you like, but we can't afford to sleepwalk to relegation and oblivion!

We have had players sent off in 2 of those games, the other we won comfortably. Keep ignoring the facts so you can fit it to your "Coyle Out" agenda if you so wish. I am not laying the blame solely at Coyle's door for the losses against Swansea and Norwich.

[officer_dibble]

Hmmmm

doesnt get any better does it

the muamba thing is mstyfying...he was the only one for me who didnt hide back in tgat fatefull day in april...the kind of player you need at a time like this.

I think he's a goner after next sunday sadly.

[BWFC_Insane]

I wonder how long the fixture card is going to be played for? When we are in the championship, league one?

Fact is we've played the three promoted teams and managed one PPG against three teams we have to target for points.

Keep burying your head in the sand if you like, but we can't afford to sleepwalk to relegation and oblivion!

We have had players sent off in 2 of those games, the other we won comfortably. Keep ignoring the facts so you can fit it to your "Coyle Out" agenda if you so wish. I am not laying the blame solely at Coyle's door for the losses against Swansea and Norwich.

In any situation when a team is losing you can always point to 'circumstances' beyond the managers control.

When you've lost 13 out of 15 you have to start looking to do something about it.

Our form is simply not good enough, and I doubt you'd find anyone in the club argue it was.

[CAPSLOCK]

In the 2 games we lost a man, we were clearly second best even before that

[officer_dibble]

Aye and its seniir players losing their head to get red carded

[Prufrock]

We were second best against Norwich, we were fine against Swansea.

[Lord Kangana]

Keep burying your head in the sand if you like, but we can't afford..

You're getting there.

Really f*cking slowly. But these things take time

[Wandering Willy]

I agree Pru, but I will add that we were not second best in the second half vs Norwich.

[Wandering Willy]

I wonder how long the fixture card is going to be played for? When we are in the championship, league one?

Fact is we've played the three promoted teams and managed one PPG against three teams we have to target for points.

Keep burying your head in the sand if you like, but we can't afford to sleepwalk to relegation and oblivion!

We have had players sent off in 2 of those games, the other we won comfortably. Keep ignoring the facts so you can fit it to your "Coyle Out" agenda if you so wish. I am not laying the blame solely at Coyle's door for the losses against Swansea and Norwich.

In any situation when a team is losing you can always point to 'circumstances' beyond the managers control.

When you've lost 13 out of 15 you have to start looking to do something about it.

Our form is simply not good enough, and I doubt you'd find anyone in the club argue it was.

Of course it's not good enough, but there'll be many who will argue with your opinion that it is solely Coyle's fault and we should get rid.

[Tombwfc]

We were 2-0 down at home to Norwich at the point Klasnic was red carded. Does the manager get any blame for that?

Exactly. It's not even the distant past either. We were in the top half for most of last season. Elmander, Sturridge, CYL and Holden are no longer part of the team and he's been asked to replace them on a Championship budget. Most teams would struggle to replace over a third of their first choice team, let alone one without the resources to do so.

I have sympathy for him for that (to a point anyway, no-one held a gun to his head when he swapped Taylor for Eagles and Mears, or signed a player he doesn't want in Tuncay), but that alone can't be enough to keep him in a job.

At the end of the day, it's not about whether it's all his fault or whether he's been unlucky, it's whether he can get the best out of the players we have. Different managers are good at different things, and if Coyle isn't the right man to work with these players, then it's probably better for everyone if he goes off and wins endless trophies with Celtic.

[Armchair Wanderer]

We were second best against Norwich, we were fine against Swansea.

Agreed.

Even last season against the likes of Blackburn and Birmingham at home we managed some fight after going down to ten, and got something from the games.

The sendings off this season have just killed us off, maybe due to fragile confidence. The Swansea game was particularly disappointing as I think a lot of people were quite pleased with most of the personnel and shape.

Also, at the start of last season you felt that if we had a bad first half words would be said at half-time and they'd come out with some fight for the second half, I've not seen much of that recently.

[BWFC_Insane]

I wonder how long the fixture card is going to be played for? When we are in the championship, league one?

Fact is we've played the three promoted teams and managed one PPG against three teams we have to target for points.

Keep burying your head in the sand if you like, but we can't afford to sleepwalk to relegation and oblivion!

We have had players sent off in 2 of those games, the other we won comfortably. Keep ignoring the facts so you can fit it to your "Coyle Out" agenda if you so wish. I am not laying the blame solely at Coyle's door for the losses against Swansea and Norwich.

In any situation when a team is losing you can always point to 'circumstances' beyond the managers control.

When you've lost 13 out of 15 you have to start looking to do something about it.

Our form is simply not good enough, and I doubt you'd find anyone in the club argue it was.

Of course it's not good enough, but there'll be many who will argue with your opinion that it is solely Coyle's fault and we should get rid.

But bad runs are one thing, 13 defeats out of 15 suggest the manager does not know how to reverse the slide!

[BWFC_Insane]

Keep burying your head in the sand if you like, but we can't afford..

You're getting there.

Really f*cking slowly. But these things take time

I want there to be a BWFC in 5 years time. For that to happen we have to stay up. Time for Coyle to shit or get off the pot!

[BL3]

no-one held a gun to his head when he swapped Taylor for Eagles and Mears, or signed a player he doesn't want in Tuncay), but that alone can't be enough to keep him in a job.

The decision to sell Matt Taylor wasn't taken by Owen Coyle.

If not Eagles and Mears then who? We needed cover for CYL and a right back to replace Steinsson. They were available for the right price. Eagles would have been a squad player if CYL had been fit.

Who said he doesn't want Tuncay?

[BWFC_Insane]

no-one held a gun to his head when he swapped Taylor for Eagles and Mears, or signed a player he doesn't want in Tuncay), but that alone can't be enough to keep him in a job.

The decision to sell Matt Taylor wasn't taken by Owen Coyle.

If not Eagles and Mears then who? We needed cover for CYL and a right back to replace Steinsson. They were available for the right price. Eagles would have been a squad player if CYL had been fit.

Who said he doesn't want Tuncay?

And your evidence for that is?

[Il Pirate]

I voted no. As i see it, we have had 5 fixtures that we could realistically expect something from:

1. QPR (a) - won
2. Norwich (h) - lost - player sent off.
3. Wigan (a)- won
4. Sunderland (h) lost
5. Swansea (a) lost - player sent off.



FFS! Get. A. Feckin. Grip. On. Reality!![/b]


1. If they had scored 1st half, we'd have lost. We were sh ite.
2. We lost. We were sh ite.
3. If the pie eaters had a decent strikeforce, they could have scored four. But hey, good win. 3 Points.
4. We lost. We were sh ite.
5. We lost. We were sh ite. Even if Bibi had stayed on the pitch, we'd have lost. 'Cos we were sh ite.

We have been sh ite for months. We have shown relegation form for 4 months.
If it's not changed, we will go down.
Now get those feckin' rose tinters off and face up to reality.

[Gail Platz]

I voted no just because I could not handle another Megson type at this club. At least I know with Coyle we will never have that.

[BL3]

no-one held a gun to his head when he swapped Taylor for Eagles and Mears, or signed a player he doesn't want in Tuncay), but that alone can't be enough to keep him in a job.

The decision to sell Matt Taylor wasn't taken by Owen Coyle.

If not Eagles and Mears then who? We needed cover for CYL and a right back to replace Steinsson. They were available for the right price. Eagles would have been a squad player if CYL had been fit.

Who said he doesn't want Tuncay?

And your evidence for that is?

If you don't know how it works by now, I really can't be bothered explaining it all again for the simpletons.

[Wandering Willy]

But bad runs are one thing, 13 defeats out of 15 suggest the manager does not know how to reverse the slide!

Oh I see - you include some, not all, of last season's results. For us that was a great season - couple of points of top half and a trip to Wembley. Newsflash - it's not going to get much better than that with our resources. We're in a new season now and I'd bet neither the owner or manager, or anyone at the club for that matter is concentrating on last year's results.

This year's results are poor but as detailed above there are several reasons that may account for this other than solely Coyle.

Before you get your bedsheet out why don't you make a list of the managers out there who are realistically going to come to Bolton. Don't forget they need to be able to win with 10 men, use our limited squad and will have zero to spend.

I'll wager there not be one on that list who will be a better option than the one we have now.