Bottom 5 fixtures

[Turkish Trotter]

so ... if we go down it will be because of the manager and if we stay up it will be in spite of the manager.
correct?
can't help thinking there's a bit more to it than that meself.

So you don't think our position as feck all to do with Coyle then?

No thats not what i've said though is it? The manager as the guy with whom the buck stops obviously has a part to play. But as i've said elsewhere- at a different time, when actually the picture was more gloomy than it is now- this season was always going to be a difficult one and, for my money, Coyle has done as well as anyone could be expected to have done.
Now obviously he has "issues" as a manager - and i doubt i need to highlight them here (there's plenty more qualified to go on about inflexibility and tactical naievety)- but on the whole i take the view that his general stewardship of the club has been good. Who do we want - Dalglish? In fact- and i acknowledge i am possibly adopting this position because i'm p@ssed off with the whole negativity surrounding Coyle- i'd go so far to say that IF he keeps us up/ we stay up OC could be regarded as a candidate for Manager of the Season.
Fact of the matter is none of us like to see the club struggling but scapegoating has never been my bag

Eh?

I don't understand that.

Even given the injury situation this year, we've underperformed. Badly.

No we haven't. We're probably about right, give or take.

Give or take what ?? 5 Points ? Get real, if 29 points from 32 games is probably right, then you're saying we deserve relegation, and if thats right its down to the manager. His team his players and his bloody mindedness is what has cost us.

[TANGODANCER]

Give or take what ?? 5 Points ? Get real, if 29 points from 32 games is probably right, then you're saying we deserve relegation, and if thats right its down to the manager. His team his players and his bloody mindedness is what has cost us.

Plus maybe the other nineteen teams, their players and managers with the same amabitions and targets?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Small squad, too many injuries to key players. Coyle has made some crazy decisions at times but as far as I can see since the ream thing at city he's picked sensible sides and made decent substitutions.The question of who would want to manage us is an important one. As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

What, promoted Sandy Stewart?

[boltonboris]

Would he be allowed considering he doesn't have his 'A' license?

(Hypothetically speaking, of course)

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Would he be allowed considering he doesn't have his 'A' license?

(Hypothetically speaking, of course)

Exemptions usually arrive as if by magic, even if only temporary. It's the Roeder Rule.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

What, promoted Sandy Stewart?

Precisely.

[Worthy4England]

As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

What, promoted Sandy Stewart?

Precisely.

Jeez - I thought I was in the "unoptimistic crowd" - we could have also done a Sunderland.

Glass is always half empty with you folks.

[thebish]

As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

What, promoted Sandy Stewart?

Precisely.

Jeez - I thought I was in the "unoptimistic crowd" - we could have also done a Sunderland.

yeah - but would it have been worth employing Steve Bruce in the first place in order to do it??

[Bruce Rioja]

we could have also done a Sunderland.

Go down with the lowest ever points................. twice?

[Ianmooreslovechild]

As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

What, promoted Sandy Stewart?

Precisely.

Jeez - I thought I was in the "unoptimistic crowd" - we could have also done a Sunderland.

Glass is always half empty with you folks.

Ha yes of course,O'Neill and Mourinho were sniffing about pre xmas but we told them chancers to sling their hooks

[Worthy4England]

As someone already said,we could have done a wolves.

What, promoted Sandy Stewart?

Precisely.

Jeez - I thought I was in the "unoptimistic crowd" - we could have also done a Sunderland.

Glass is always half empty with you folks.

Ha yes of course,O'Neill and Mourinho were sniffing about pre xmas but we told them chancers to sling their hooks

Conversely there would have only been Aloysius Wardrobe, manager of non-League Upper Bollocks FC, remotely interested...

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Course,who can say but,you look at wolves(and they are similar size/position) and what came out of the tree when they shook it. Steve Bruce, Neil Warnock,Alan Curbishley etc and who was the only one ultimately willing? So well you know I dont have massive belief that anything other than has beens or lower leaguers with potential(and risk ie like coyle) would be our options. Wolves ultimately passed or were passed on at a time when they looked as capable of staying up as we did.

[Worthy4England]

Course,who can say but,you look at wolves(and they are similar size/position) and what came out of the tree when they shook it. Steve Bruce, Neil Warnock,Alan Curbishley etc and who was the only one ultimately willing? So well you know I dont have massive belief that anything other than has beens or lower leaguers with potential(and risk ie like coyle) would be our options. Wolves ultimately passed or were passed on at a time when they looked as capable of staying up as we did.

Well, I'd hazard a guess that Steve Bruce is a better manager than their current incumbent. Mind you I'd hazard a guess that their previous manager is a better manager than their current incumbent too. We are led to believe that Bruce didn't take the reins because he was only offered a short term deal. We have no notion if they spoke to anyone else.

There's plenty of times, as I've watched the pure cluelessness this season that I'd have willingly contemplated two of the three people you mention.

[boltonboris]

Curbishly stated some sort of strange management structure and nobody knowing at the club who does what, as his reason for not signing up didn't he?

[DJBlu]

Get a bet on Wigan and QPR to go down!

You heard it here first!

[boltonboris]

ITK FACT

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Curbishly stated some sort of strange management structure and nobody knowing at the club who does what, as his reason for not signing up didn't he?

And Bruce reckoned they changed their minds at the last minute for some reason,possibly after they had met him face to face(happens a lot to him apparently, poor love)

Ok imagaining we had a choice of Bruce Warnock and Curbishley it's not that inspiring. Bruce on a downbward spiral, warnock never succeeded at the top tho never really backed either, curbishly decent at charlton but wasnt he a disaster at west ham(possibly thried to play the west ham way!) Not sure any would have been a better bet to keep us up.

[BWFC_Insane]

Curbishly stated some sort of strange management structure and nobody knowing at the club who does what, as his reason for not signing up didn't he?

And Bruce reckoned they changed their minds at the last minute for some reason,possibly after they had met him face to face(happens a lot to him apparently, poor love)

Ok imagaining we had a choice of Bruce Warnock and Curbishley it's not that inspiring. Bruce on a downbward spiral, warnock never succeeded at the top tho never really backed either, curbishly decent at charlton but wasnt he a disaster at west ham(possibly thried to play the west ham way!) Not sure any would have been a better bet to keep us up.

Curbishley was not a disaster at all at West Ham......

[Ianmooreslovechild]

Curbishly stated some sort of strange management structure and nobody knowing at the club who does what, as his reason for not signing up didn't he?

And Bruce reckoned they changed their minds at the last minute for some reason,possibly after they had met him face to face(happens a lot to him apparently, poor love)

Ok imagaining we had a choice of Bruce Warnock and Curbishley it's not that inspiring. Bruce on a downbward spiral, warnock never succeeded at the top tho never really backed either, curbishly decent at charlton but wasnt he a disaster at west ham(possibly thried to play the west ham way!) Not sure any would have been a better bet to keep us up.

Curbishley was not a disaster at all at West Ham......

No you're right. Dont know why I remembered it as a bad spell. He kept them up then got them a top ten finish before resigning on principalsince when there has been a legal wrangle. Having read that he'd certainly have been the best of the 3