Sordell ... what's the point ?

[officer_dibble]

Wigan
Swansea
Norwich

Bet their wage bills were smaller as well

[Hoboh]

I don't know what the big deal is about Sordell.He was signed as a rookie from the Championship and will get his chance soon enough when injuries and suspensions take effect if his efforts in training and the reserves don't .
Anyone who thinks £3 million buys a top quality striker needs to realise this is 2012 not 1992.It's a small fee now and for that you get a rookie from Watford.He's not even our most expensive striker and likewise £4 million bought a failure from Liverpool.You are looking at £8 million for a decent striker these days.

I'll tell you what 'the big deal' is

Coyle, not me, you or any number of posters on here hyped him up more than the iphone 5 as the must have player and now is treating HIS must have player pretty shitty.
Would you buy the iphone and stick it in a drawer? thought not!
All the evidence so far this season points to us having players and a squad capable of being up the top end of this table if managed correctly oh alongside there ain't half some crappy teams down here as well.
I never want Bolton to lose and if Coyle sticks around and we progress so be it, I'd rather we went for someone with a bit about their past that players have to respect and who has proper ideas not dreams and is hungry for success. If Coyle gets us up top then fair enough but I will never forgive the tw*t as long as he breathes for getting us relegated in the first place, injuries aside we had enough to stay up and he no one else feckin' blew it.

That's another point I disagree with.With Holden, Lee and Muamba all out as they were during the run in I thought Bolton had one of the worst 3 teams on paper.The midfield in particular was a long way short of the standard needed.Which of the teams that stayed up do you think had worse players available to them than Bolton during the run in that got us relegated?

Disagree all you like, we went to Everton got a bloody good result, played a decent game and looked like we we were settled for a good competitive run then Coyle fooked about as per and the rest is history. (I hope yesterday was not a repeat!)
I also notice you plugging Moo's absence, bit rich after Coyles treatment of the lad pre WHL eh?

[Martin_Cruise]

I don't know what the big deal is about Sordell.He was signed as a rookie from the Championship and will get his chance soon enough when injuries and suspensions take effect if his efforts in training and the reserves don't .
Anyone who thinks £3 million buys a top quality striker needs to realise this is 2012 not 1992.It's a small fee now and for that you get a rookie from Watford.He's not even our most expensive striker and likewise £4 million bought a failure from Liverpool.You are looking at £8 million for a decent striker these days.

I'll tell you what 'the big deal' is

Coyle, not me, you or any number of posters on here hyped him up more than the iphone 5 as the must have player and now is treating HIS must have player pretty shitty.
Would you buy the iphone and stick it in a drawer? thought not!
All the evidence so far this season points to us having players and a squad capable of being up the top end of this table if managed correctly oh alongside there ain't half some crappy teams down here as well.
I never want Bolton to lose and if Coyle sticks around and we progress so be it, I'd rather we went for someone with a bit about their past that players have to respect and who has proper ideas not dreams and is hungry for success. If Coyle gets us up top then fair enough but I will never forgive the tw*t as long as he breathes for getting us relegated in the first place, injuries aside we had enough to stay up and he no one else feckin' blew it.

That's another point I disagree with.With Holden, Lee and Muamba all out as they were during the run in I thought Bolton had one of the worst 3 teams on paper.The midfield in particular was a long way short of the standard needed.Which of the teams that stayed up do you think had worse players available to them than Bolton during the run in that got us relegated?

Disagree all you like, we went to Everton got a bloody good result, played a decent game and looked like we we were settled for a good competitive run then Coyle fooked about as per and the rest is history. (I hope yesterday was not a repeat!)
I also notice you plugging Moo's absence, bit rich after Coyles treatment of the lad pre WHL eh?

We sold our best player after the Everton match, I think that's the big diffference.An England international and now Champions League winner for a paltry £7 million.

[Martin_Cruise]

Wigan
Swansea
Norwich

Bet their wage bills were smaller as well

Towards the end we were praying for a Swansea reject to get fit.And Joe Allen is a far better player than Mark Davies as the transfer fee suggests.Scott Sinclair better than anything available to us.They got over £20 million for Allen and Sinclair.
Wigan had good enough players to beat Man Utd in a title run in plus Arsenal away and a few others.You really think Martinez could have got Pratley,Eagles,Knight,Davies and co to do the same.Sorry never in a million years.

The only squad that was arguably as weak as ours was Norwich but they were already safe having been the season's one season wonders.We were in a run in with QPR, Villa and Wigan all of whom had better players than us in my opinion.

[Dr.Karl]

Holy feck, I only just noticed he wasn't even on the bench! So was it an injury or a massive fall from grace?

[BWFC_Insane]

Holy feck, I only just noticed he wasn't even on the bench! So was it an injury or a massive fall from grace?

He's not injured.

[Dr.Karl]

Holy feck, I only just noticed he wasn't even on the bench! So was it an injury or a massive fall from grace?

He's not injured.

Well that is very strange. Got to be something up between the two. How he hasn't got infront of Afobe is beyond me.

[Worthy4England]

Out of interest and cos I know worthy will deliver the goods, how many centre forwards were signed by their current clubs in the championship for more than Sordell?
Rhodes
Ngog

Not many. But I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, as we didn't buy Sordell when we were in the Championship either...

Peterborough's largest signing ever - £1.2m
Wolves- £3.1m for Boukari this season
Ipswich - £3.6m a long time ago for Marcus Stewart
Milwall - £800k highest transfer fee paid ever
Sheff Weds - £1.1m for Gary Madine - nothing higher than that in the "noughties" or later
Watford - £4.3m for Nathan Ellington
Charlton - about £1.5m for as a Championship Club
Brum - Cameron Jerome - £3.9
Derby - Rob Hulse - £2.7m
Burnley - Martin Paterson - £1.7m

You get the picture.

Bottom line is we have more wage budget and probably more transfer budget (at the moment) than most teams in this Division, so bleating that one team has spunked £8m on one player doesn't really say much either.

Coyle has said (and he knows his budget better than me), that our target is automatic promotion and 2 points per game.

Just like last seasons missed target was remaining in the Barclays Premiership.

[jaffka]

Out of interest and cos I know worthy will deliver the goods, how many centre forwards were signed by their current clubs in the championship for more than Sordell?
Rhodes
Ngog

Not many. But I'm not sure it's a fair comparison, as we didn't buy Sordell when we were in the Championship either...

Peterborough's largest signing ever - £1.2m
Wolves- £3.1m for Boukari this season
Ipswich - £3.6m a long time ago for Marcus Stewart
Milwall - £800k highest transfer fee paid ever
Sheff Weds - £1.1m for Gary Madine - nothing higher than that in the "noughties" or later
Watford - £4.3m for Nathan Ellington
Charlton - about £1.5m for as a Championship Club
Brum - Cameron Jerome - £3.9
Derby - Rob Hulse - £2.7m
Burnley - Martin Paterson - £1.7m

You get the picture.

Bottom line is we have more wage budget and probably more transfer budget (at the moment) than most teams in this Division, so bleating that one team has spunked £8m on one player doesn't really say much either.

Coyle has said (and he knows his budget better than me), that our target is automatic promotion and 2 points per game.

Just like last seasons missed target was remaining in the Barclays Premiership.

He must have been a sh*t signing never heard of him before, where is he now?

[CAPSLOCK]

I don't know what the big deal is about Sordell.He was signed as a rookie from the Championship and will get his chance soon enough when injuries and suspensions take effect if his efforts in training and the reserves don't .
Anyone who thinks £3 million buys a top quality striker needs to realise this is 2012 not 1992.It's a small fee now and for that you get a rookie from Watford.He's not even our most expensive striker and likewise £4 million bought a failure from Liverpool.You are looking at £8 million for a decent striker these days.

I'll tell you what 'the big deal' is

Coyle, not me, you or any number of posters on here hyped him up more than the iphone 5 as the must have player and now is treating HIS must have player pretty shitty.
Would you buy the iphone and stick it in a drawer? thought not!
All the evidence so far this season points to us having players and a squad capable of being up the top end of this table if managed correctly oh alongside there ain't half some crappy teams down here as well.
I never want Bolton to lose and if Coyle sticks around and we progress so be it, I'd rather we went for someone with a bit about their past that players have to respect and who has proper ideas not dreams and is hungry for success. If Coyle gets us up top then fair enough but I will never forgive the tw*t as long as he breathes for getting us relegated in the first place, injuries aside we had enough to stay up and he no one else feckin' blew it.

That's another point I disagree with.With Holden, Lee and Muamba all out as they were during the run in I thought Bolton had one of the worst 3 teams on paper.The midfield in particular was a long way short of the standard needed.Which of the teams that stayed up do you think had worse players available to them than Bolton during the run in that got us relegated?

If the midfield was so fcuking shit, why not spend the Cahill money on a fcuking midfielder instead of a Centre Back and Centre Forward who 6 months later can't even make the bench

And Muamba wasn't getting picked before his attack, so that point is moot

[Tombwfc]

Wigan
Swansea
Norwich

Bet their wage bills were smaller as well

Towards the end we were praying for a Swansea reject to get fit.And Joe Allen is a far better player than Mark Davies as the transfer fee suggests.Scott Sinclair better than anything available to us.They got over £20 million for Allen and Sinclair.
Wigan had good enough players to beat Man Utd in a title run in plus Arsenal away and a few others.You really think Martinez could have got Pratley,Eagles,Knight,Davies and co to do the same.Sorry never in a million years.

The only squad that was arguably as weak as ours was Norwich but they were already safe having been the season's one season wonders.We were in a run in with QPR, Villa and Wigan all of whom had better players than us in my opinion.

No I don't. But how many people would've been happy if we'd bought some of their players?

I don't want to lionise Martinez, he's not even that good himself. Nevertheless, in January he brought in the heavily derided Bousejour because he knew he was a good fit for how he wanted them to play.

We then went out and bought Marvin Sordell just to spite Malky Mackay.

[Prufrock]

Martinez bought Beausejour to manage them!

[BWFC_Insane]

Wigan
Swansea
Norwich

Bet their wage bills were smaller as well

Towards the end we were praying for a Swansea reject to get fit.And Joe Allen is a far better player than Mark Davies as the transfer fee suggests.Scott Sinclair better than anything available to us.They got over £20 million for Allen and Sinclair.
Wigan had good enough players to beat Man Utd in a title run in plus Arsenal away and a few others.You really think Martinez could have got Pratley,Eagles,Knight,Davies and co to do the same.Sorry never in a million years.

The only squad that was arguably as weak as ours was Norwich but they were already safe having been the season's one season wonders.We were in a run in with QPR, Villa and Wigan all of whom had better players than us in my opinion.

Either Coyle bought shite then, seeing as over the period he was here we outspent the likes of Swansea, Norwich etc OR he bought ok but couldn't manage them.

The problem for me is that if you spend 3M quid on Sordell, you have to either say "he's one for the future" and loan him out for experience, in which case a club like ourselves should NOT be spending 3M on him, OR give him a decent run.

My argument is not whether he's good enough to play or NOT its that our manager spent 3M quid on him at a time when we desperately needed some bodies in midfield as highlighted, at the back, heck even a striker with pace would have helped. He bought him and he wasn't allowed to make any contribution and watched as we were relegated.

To then compound it, he tells us all how good Sordell is going to be this season, gives him a couple of games then drops him like the proverbial stone.

Either Coyle can't be trusted with signings or can't be trusted with looking after them.

[Midnite]

smacks a bit like japp stamm and fergie...stamm upsets fergie so he drops him then sells him...couple of years later has to admit he'd made the biggest mistake of his life..let pride intervene and let go the best defender in the world go. if coyle's upset with him...fine him and get on with it. BWFC is bigger than you will ever be coyle...get on with your job.

[thebish]

it's early days yet - I'm sure sordell will get plenty of games and you can all sleep easy at night...

[boltonboris]

A Sordell / Stam comparison.... I like it.

[BWFC_Insane]

it's early days yet - I'm sure sordell will get plenty of games and you can all sleep easy at night...

Early days? He's been here 9 months.

[thebish]

it's early days yet - I'm sure sordell will get plenty of games and you can all sleep easy at night...

Early days? He's been here 9 months.

aye - early days... calm down!

(not that you're interested anymore, anyway...)

[BWFC_Insane]

it's early days yet - I'm sure sordell will get plenty of games and you can all sleep easy at night...

Early days? He's been here 9 months.

aye - early days... calm down!

(not that you're interested anymore, anyway...)

Early days? Feck me. Sordell clearly doesnt see it like that.

Anyhow, if we can afford to spunk 3M on a player who 9 months later has started 3 games and is promptly relegated to 4th choice striker, I look forwards to the next transfer window. We will be larging it good and proper with mahoooosive bids everywhere.........

[thebish]

it's early days yet - I'm sure sordell will get plenty of games and you can all sleep easy at night...

Early days? He's been here 9 months.

aye - early days... calm down!

(not that you're interested anymore, anyway...)

Early days? Feck me. Sordell clearly doesnt see it like that.

Anyhow, if we can afford to spunk 3M on a player who 9 months later has started 3 games and is promptly relegated to 4th choice striker, I look forwards to the next transfer window. We will be larging it good and proper with mahoooosive bids everywhere.........

(some of those dramatically measured 9months were the close season, no?)

sordell will have had plenty of games buy the end of the season and played his part.

you really should learn how to relax a bit - if you're this stressed even when you are no longer interested...