Designated Penalty Taker?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Can I just point out that in the very first post on this subject I had this to say "Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he [Andrews] did [take the penalty], because at least he scored it."
The entire point of the post was one of debate as to why it is that strikers quite often do not take penalties, when IMHO it might (might - that's the point of the debate) be better for their goal scoring confidence if they did.
So, for all you out there that are not quite getting this:
I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT ANDREWS STOP TAKING THE FECKIN PENALTIES. Ok. I WAS JUST WONDERING WHY SO FEW FECKIN STRIKERS HAVE THE CONFIDENCE TO TAKE THEM.

here's a bit of advice...

don't bother

there are folk on here are are just plainly too dense to see anything so subtle.

that's all.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

ght if you've got a striker like N'gog who's not exactly proficient then there'd be a case for having him take the penalties, with the idea in mind that the more he scores the better his confidence in front of goal and therefore the more he gets in open play, theoretically.

The idea of using penalties as a device for improving a player's confidence, rather than simply for scoring goals, is completely wrongheaded.

That's why you have had the response you have, and it has little to do with subtlety.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

ght if you've got a striker like N'gog who's not exactly proficient then there'd be a case for having him take the penalties, with the idea in mind that the more he scores the better his confidence in front of goal and therefore the more he gets in open play, theoretically.

The idea of using penalties as a device for improving a player's confidence, rather than simply for scoring goals, is completely wrongheaded.

That's why you have had the response you have, and it has little to do with subtlety.

Well that's me told. Thanks for the display of profound dialectical method. I shall take it away and study it vigourously.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

No problem.

[CAPSLOCK]

I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT ANDREWS STOP TAKING THE FECKIN PENALTIES.

That's exactly what you fcuking said

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I AM NOT ADVOCATING THAT ANDREWS STOP TAKING THE FECKIN PENALTIES.

That's exactly what you fcuking said

It's not what I exactly fcuking said. Nyer nya nya nyerrrrrr ner.
I love reasoned debate, gives me such a warm glow.

[CAPSLOCK]

Come on Dougie get him practicing and make him designated penalty taker.

We'll leave it there, I think

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Come on Dougie get him practicing and make him designated penalty taker.

We'll leave it there, I think

You're like those fckin politicians that weasel out one phrase from in one sentence that turns an argument from one thing into another. You need to read the proposition in its entirety to understand what the point/query was all about. And, as I pointed out above, I am very happy that Andrews is scoring penalties. It was an intellectual 'hmmm why doesn't this happen' rather than a 'this should fcking be happening!'

[CAPSLOCK]

Bullshit, intellectual

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Urgent message from the fact-checking desk

Phil Neal (a left back) was deadly from the spot

Neal was a right-back

Carry on

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Urgent message from the fact-checking desk

Phil Neal (a left back) was deadly from the spot

Neal was a right-back

Carry on

Why thank you sir.

Did. Didn't. Did too.

he said you said 'Didn't'

Did, did, did.

[thebish]

Come on Dougie get him practicing and make him designated penalty taker.

We'll leave it there, I think

You're like those fckin politicians that weasel out one phrase from in one sentence that turns an argument from one thing into another. You need to read the proposition in its entirety to understand what the point/query was all about. And, as I pointed out above, I am very happy that Andrews is scoring penalties. It was an intellectual 'hmmm why doesn't this happen' rather than a 'this should fcking be happening!'

don't say you weren't warned....

[Lost Leopard Spot]

don't say you weren't warned....

Can't say I wasn't warned.

[Enoch]

Any time a penalty is awarded, surely the only important thing is that it results in a goal.

@Lost Leopard Spot, I've read your proposition, more than once and I would think if you have a forward that is 'not exactly proficient', the best thing to do is keep him as far away from penalty taking as posible.

I have an image of someone, already low in confidence, stuttering up to miss from the spot and then having to endure the derision that would undoubtedly be heaped on from our loyal supporters. Not likely to be the source of any new found ebullience.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

#wishyou'dneverstartedafcukinthread

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Any time a penalty is awarded, surely the only important thing is that it results in a goal.

@Lost Leopard Spot, I've read your proposition, more than once and I would think if you have a forward that is 'not exactly proficient', the best thing to do is keep him as far away from penalty taking as posible.

I have an image of someone, already low in confidence, stuttering up to miss from the spot and then having to endure the derision that would undoubtedly be heaped on from our loyal supporters. Not likely to be the source of any new found ebullience.

Yes, Enoch. I'm glad you read through it. So imagine a manager (any manager) taking his shy, low in confidence striker to one side, and saying 'look pal, your goal scoring rate is somewhat low, why not practice taking some penalties and after mucho practice when you think that you can score them we'll think of maybe having you as designated penalty taker'. In this scenario, surely one of two things will occur, either [in practice] the chump is feckin useless [in which case he's not much of a striker is he] or he becomes magic at taking practice penalties and his confidence soars sky high.
At no point in the above, as others have pointed out, do you fix what ain't broke - neither I nor this mythical manager would be replacing the person who is actually scoring the penalties with a 100% record. But in this made-up for debating simulation you just might inspire a striker to find more confidence and be ready to step into thee shoes of the bloke who scores 100% if [for example] said rate drops from 100% to something lower.
Now all of the above thought process might be bollox, probably is, but I only offered it because I [personally, me] find it strange when I come across examples where the strikers give up what are almost nailed-on certainties to increase their goal scoring stats in favour of someone else [it doesn't just happen at Bolton].
Now maybe you aren't curious as to why that is, but it still fascinates me.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

#wishyou'dneverstartedafcukinthread

#wishyou'dneverstartedafcukinthreadx2

[TANGODANCER]

There was a time when (pre Grobbelar chimpanzee impersonations) goalies not moving before the ball was kicked meant just that. There was also a view held that any pro who couldn't score from twelve yards in his own time, with only a goalie to beat, wasn't up to much. It was back a while, mind you.

[jaffka]

Urgent message from the fact-checking desk

Phil Neal (a left back) was deadly from the spot

Neal was a right-back

Carry on

He was a left back at Bolton.

Should have been left back in the changing rooms.

[Enoch]

Now maybe you aren't curious as to why that is

Not overly, as I fancy it's clear. All professional footballers will at some time be asked to take penalties on the training ground, some will be good at it and some won't. If a manager has a few players that enjoy the experience and are competent, likely he will be satisfied with that. It's entirely possible that N'Gog or any of the other forwards are desperate to take them, but that the decision to leave the job with Andrews is a pragmatic one taken by the coaching team.

Regard what goes on at Euxton Monday to Friday in an effort to improve confidence or performance for N'Gog or anyone else, maybe penalty taking is on the agenda. I'm fairly confident that under this regime it involves little table tennis or snooker.