The Great Art Debate
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Sahara Gold, me.Gary the Enfield wrote:Montreal Wanderer wrote:Bolton Boris?Gary the Enfield wrote:I just like redheads.
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We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
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I'm giving a tour of the National Gallery to two at 6.30 tomorrow - do stop by if you happen to be in the area.William the White wrote:We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
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GIVING a tour ???mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I'm giving a tour of the National Gallery to two at 6.30 tomorrow - do stop by if you happen to be in the area.William the White wrote:We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
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We'll be on our way to One Man Two Governors about that time... Reviews ecstatic, daughter less so in her assessment... Still going to Palace game?... give us a shout...mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I'm giving a tour of the National Gallery to two at 6.30 tomorrow - do stop by if you happen to be in the area.William the White wrote:We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
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It's just for Prufrock and Verbal....bobo the clown wrote:GIVING a tour ???mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I'm giving a tour of the National Gallery to two at 6.30 tomorrow - do stop by if you happen to be in the area.William the White wrote:We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
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Give me a shout next time you're down.bobo the clown wrote:GIVING a tour ???mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I'm giving a tour of the National Gallery to two at 6.30 tomorrow - do stop by if you happen to be in the area.William the White wrote:We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
Get you.
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Mummy and Bobo discussing art in the National Gallery? Video required please.mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Give me a shout next time you're down.bobo the clown wrote:GIVING a tour ???mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I'm giving a tour of the National Gallery to two at 6.30 tomorrow - do stop by if you happen to be in the area.William the White wrote:We (teo season ticket holders, two partners) arrive in London tomorrow for the Wanderers weekend (and a bunch of other things) at about 12.30...
My wife and I will be off to investigate the Rothko at Tate Modern, which I am really looking forward to... My first time to see his paintings up close... She is on a Rothko trip at the moment, has been studying him, so, i hope, will offer enlightenment...
Get you.
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Pikey Scouse Chancer's crack at painting The Queen in 1952
Our Liz in 1952.
Pikey Scouse wankers wonder why it's been hidden from public view for 60 years.
Our Liz in 1952.
Pikey Scouse wankers wonder why it's been hidden from public view for 60 years.
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From Mad Ludwig to Leonardo... click here to find out how.
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Prufrock wrote: Like money hasn't always talked. You might not like it, or disagree, but it's the truth. It's a basic incentive, people always have, and always will want what's best for themselves and their families
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I like the drawing and the idea. Not sure why the artist chose to put the king in a frame though, makes it look cut and pasted from somewhere else.mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:From Mad Ludwig to Leonardo... click here to find out how.
https://www.artfinder.com/story/andrew- ... his-castl/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The best thing about this thread is reading Tango's take on stuff. fecking brilliant. Keep up the good work, Sir!
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Last Friday four of us went into the Rothko room at the Tate Modern (the Seagram paintings - there are other Rothkos in the gallery but this is the most significant exhibition). Six paintings. Very large. Very abstract.
I was the only one to last more than ten minutes - even my wife, to my real surprise, opted out after 10 mins saying 'I just don't get these...'.
I stayed for a little over an hour and will certainly return. Why? Well, if it's not too banal, because I stayed. I stayed because the artist himself said he wished to create an art that would require total attention. So I thought I'd give that a little respect. And because a friend and fellow poster on here, said he thought each of them needed at least 15 minutes to begin to get them. And I listen to people whose opinions I respect.
These are huge paintings, and it seems to me you couldn't truly see them in a glance. I decided to give them real attention. I gazed, from distance and close to. I moved along the canvas from left to right. I inspected, from base to top, from outer to inner. And made discoveries.
The layers of paint, that had seemed solid were not so. The paintings were about becoming something else. The sombre outers, those thick lines, like prison bars were bars only from a distance, from close they were, in fact, mutable. The light emerging at the centres of the three paintings I liked most was tentative, but challenging insistently to the instant, generalised response. The base so dark, but growing less so, slowly, almost imperceptibly until you looked closely as the canvas reached upwards, and realised the contrast.
I wasn't looking for literal meaning (a pointless quest at the slightest first glance). I was looking at the different things happening on the canvas.
And was captivated. So... Lucky me. I'd like to see some more...
I was the only one to last more than ten minutes - even my wife, to my real surprise, opted out after 10 mins saying 'I just don't get these...'.
I stayed for a little over an hour and will certainly return. Why? Well, if it's not too banal, because I stayed. I stayed because the artist himself said he wished to create an art that would require total attention. So I thought I'd give that a little respect. And because a friend and fellow poster on here, said he thought each of them needed at least 15 minutes to begin to get them. And I listen to people whose opinions I respect.
These are huge paintings, and it seems to me you couldn't truly see them in a glance. I decided to give them real attention. I gazed, from distance and close to. I moved along the canvas from left to right. I inspected, from base to top, from outer to inner. And made discoveries.
The layers of paint, that had seemed solid were not so. The paintings were about becoming something else. The sombre outers, those thick lines, like prison bars were bars only from a distance, from close they were, in fact, mutable. The light emerging at the centres of the three paintings I liked most was tentative, but challenging insistently to the instant, generalised response. The base so dark, but growing less so, slowly, almost imperceptibly until you looked closely as the canvas reached upwards, and realised the contrast.
I wasn't looking for literal meaning (a pointless quest at the slightest first glance). I was looking at the different things happening on the canvas.
And was captivated. So... Lucky me. I'd like to see some more...
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There's a brilliant Henry Moore in the room before the Rothko, that, as so often with this artist's work, changes its impact as you move around the sculpture... It is another Mother and Child, a persistent motif for Moore, that from the front is shocking, as though a semi monster lurks within the figure, and from the far left side as you look at it, slightly behind, is a hooded mother with a fragile baby held tenderly...
I've tried to find the image online without success, but, just in case there are some interested, it really is worth searching out...
I've tried to find the image online without success, but, just in case there are some interested, it really is worth searching out...
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Total attention is one thing, but it sounds like you went way beyond the call of duty there!
If anything like that 'work' is demanded of the viewer to appreciate what is going on, then it is easy to see why Rothko decided those paintings were not appropriate for fulfilling a commission to decorate a busy restaurant.
What does 'getting them' mean in this context? Is it a level of understanding you achieved by the end, or is it a practical point that there is so much to look at it just isn't possible in less time?
What do you mean when you say there wasn't a 'literal meaning'? Is it ever possible to find a 'literal' meaning when nothing figurative is depicted?
If anything like that 'work' is demanded of the viewer to appreciate what is going on, then it is easy to see why Rothko decided those paintings were not appropriate for fulfilling a commission to decorate a busy restaurant.
What does 'getting them' mean in this context? Is it a level of understanding you achieved by the end, or is it a practical point that there is so much to look at it just isn't possible in less time?
What do you mean when you say there wasn't a 'literal meaning'? Is it ever possible to find a 'literal' meaning when nothing figurative is depicted?
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Keep taking those meds.Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Was Raphael a pre-Pre-Raphaelite?
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I'll give this some thought and maybe come back - off to BBC4 now for 'The Art of Winter'...mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:Total attention is one thing, but it sounds like you went way beyond the call of duty there!
No duty involved. Doing it just for me!
If anything like that 'work' is demanded of the viewer to appreciate what is going on, then it is easy to see why Rothko decided those paintings were not appropriate for fulfilling a commission to decorate a busy restaurant.
He was right n all!
What does 'getting them' mean in this context? Is it a level of understanding you achieved by the end, or is it a practical point that there is so much to look at it just isn't possible in less time?
I didn't achieve understanding. I wasn't seeking it anyway. But if you don't succumb to the easy dismissal, or outrage, etboringcetera, you give yourself the chance of making discoveries. But, yes, this is art on a large scale - it takes time simply to take it in.
What do you mean when you say there wasn't a 'literal meaning'? Is it ever possible to find a 'literal' meaning when nothing figurative is depicted?
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Read something somewhere about the amount of pre-Raphaelite pictures used in TV programmes (0bviously prints or copies in the main). The poster quoted Inspector Morse and other programmes as examples. It's perfectly true and I'm spending more time looking at walls than the programmes right now. It's a bit addictive but I've spotted loads amongst the Haywains and family portraits.....Sorry Will. 
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OK - the bit 'left over' when my wife shouted me in for 'The Art of Winter' - seriously good and I'm v glad not to have missed and recommend...mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote: What do you mean when you say there wasn't a 'literal meaning'? Is it ever possible to find a 'literal' meaning when nothing figurative is depicted?
Well... the only literal truth here is squares and bars... But I'm not sure there is a 'literal truth' in even the most 'figurative' art... Not even photography (as some of the wonderful art on BBC4 just now indicated)... I think, to state - restate - my viewpoint... Art is created in the dynamic relationship between the creator and the viewer... But emphatically so with abstract expressionism...
I think some of our posters get angry when they can't see what the artist is getting at (not that some make any effort at all before dismissing them - they often boast that they wouldn't cross the road to see etc), or - yawn - their 4 year old could do it... I think they want the difficult to be easy and it refuses to be... And why should it?
I like the fact that art is a contended space... And that artists make it so... And the best make it so the most...
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