The Politics Thread

[Bruce Rioja]

As long as the day the Scots leave we turn off the money taps and they are forced to join the Euro then I hope for a massive yes from them!
Nothing really against them but FFS the idiots have been saying the English have been robbing them for a couple of hundred years, bollox, they'd be a third world country but for English money and jobs we gave them.
The other thing is who'd trust a Salmon and a Sturgeon? sounds very fishy to me.

Just like the North of England, Tory government after Tory government raped and pillage Scotland and its resources, destroyed its industry and left its people to rot whilst the cockney wide boys in the financial district in London got richer and richer.

I think like us, they have every right to be annoyed!

Oh dear. Dan, can we have your opinion here please? It'll be more factually based!

[thebish]

It is truth, Scotland have lived off us since most of the oil was used up off the coast of Aberdeen. We in this country pay a lot more taxes per a person to fund the larger % of people in Scotland who are unemployed compared to England. That is just common sense. Also if Scotland is all that why are there so many of them down here with jobs, why are so many parts of Scotland nearly empty. People in Scotland have a shorter life expectancy and perform worse at school then in England. So personally if they want to f**k off then please do. Personally I think we should encourage it as they take more out of the system then they ever can put in.

dan... how on earth do you know any of this? what's your source of information?

[Always hopeful]

It is truth, Scotland have lived off us since most of the oil was used up off the coast of Aberdeen. We in this country pay a lot more taxes per a person to fund the larger % of people in Scotland who are unemployed compared to England. That is just common sense. Also if Scotland is all that why are there so many of them down here with jobs, why are so many parts of Scotland nearly empty. People in Scotland have a shorter life expectancy and perform worse at school then in England. So personally if they want to f**k off then please do. Personally I think we should encourage it as they take more out of the system then they ever can put in.

dan... how on earth do you know any of this? what's your source of information?

It's the voices in his head.

[seanworth]

It is truth, Scotland have lived off us since most of the oil was used up off the coast of Aberdeen. We in this country pay a lot more taxes per a person to fund the larger % of people in Scotland who are unemployed compared to England. That is just common sense. Also if Scotland is all that why are there so many of them down here with jobs, why are so many parts of Scotland nearly empty. People in Scotland have a shorter life expectancy and perform worse at school then in England. So personally if they want to f**k off then please do. Personally I think we should encourage it as they take more out of the system then they ever can put in.

dan... how on earth do you know any of this? what's your source of information?

It's the voices in his head.

His dad?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

As long as the day the Scots leave we turn off the money taps and they are forced to join the Euro then I hope for a massive yes from them!
Nothing really against them but FFS the idiots have been saying the English have been robbing them for a couple of hundred years, bollox, they'd be a third world country but for English money and jobs we gave them.
The other thing is who'd trust a Salmon and a Sturgeon? sounds very fishy to me.

Common sense has prevailed in Hoboh's point.

No wonder they want out, what with the number of morons like you two spouting ill informed bollocks. Take your heads out of Farage's arse and see if you are capable of an original thought.

Come on then smart arse what is the so called 'truth' then?

I never needed UKIP nor anyone else to tell me you should always check the food when dining with your enemy!

The fact is that Scotland has and does contribute significant revenue and tax to the UK economy. The real problems in this country is lack of real investment outside of the M25 corridor. The Scots are no different to the people in the North of the country, or the south west, Wales or Northern Island. If we follow your thinking then you should be fecking off because you're leaching off the South East.

Why do pricks like you piss me off? I'm half Scottish, half my family is Scottish. My wife is Scottish. I take offence to pricks like you making out part of my heritage is third world and sponges off you. I'd like to see where the UK would have been without the North Sea oil & gas or the revenue from one of the UK's biggest exports (Whisky). You'd be paying more on your electric and gas bills for sure, which no doubt would be Johnny Foreigners' fault

[Hoboh]

As long as the day the Scots leave we turn off the money taps and they are forced to join the Euro then I hope for a massive yes from them!
Nothing really against them but FFS the idiots have been saying the English have been robbing them for a couple of hundred years, bollox, they'd be a third world country but for English money and jobs we gave them.
The other thing is who'd trust a Salmon and a Sturgeon? sounds very fishy to me.

Common sense has prevailed in Hoboh's point.

No wonder they want out, what with the number of morons like you two spouting ill informed bollocks. Take your heads out of Farage's arse and see if you are capable of an original thought.

Come on then smart arse what is the so called 'truth' then?

I never needed UKIP nor anyone else to tell me you should always check the food when dining with your enemy!

The fact is that Scotland has and does contribute significant revenue and tax to the UK economy. The real problems in this country is lack of real investment outside of the M25 corridor. The Scots are no different to the people in the North of the country, or the south west, Wales or Northern Island. If we follow your thinking then you should be fecking off because you're leaching off the South East.

Why do pricks like you piss me off? I'm half Scottish, half my family is Scottish. My wife is Scottish. I take offence to pricks like you making out part of my heritage is third world and sponges off you. I'd like to see where the UK would have been without the North Sea oil & gas or the revenue from one of the UK's biggest exports (Whisky). You'd be paying more on your electric and gas bills for sure, which no doubt would be Johnny Foreigners' fault

Ok so I'm a prick, I shudder to think what that makes you then!
For your ill informed information just check what the size of the welfare bill is for North of the border then tell me more money is not flowing up there than coming back down!!!
Do you know what narks me is the fact these independents what their cake and eat it, that’s what. We want independence but protection from the UK armed forces, we want independence but keep the pound because we don't like the Euro, we want to keep ties to England to stay within Europe because otherwise we may have to apply to join and they might not let us in, the list is bloody endless!
You want independence then go for it you lot started all this off with the anti English rhetoric don’t dish it out if you don’t like it back, simple.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Ok so I'm a prick, I shudder to think what that makes you then!
For your ill informed information just check what the size of the welfare bill is for North of the border then tell me more money is not flowing up there than coming back down!!!
Do you know what narks me is the fact these independents what their cake and eat it, that’s what. We want independence but protection from the UK armed forces, we want independence but keep the pound because we don't like the Euro, we want to keep ties to England to stay within Europe because otherwise we may have to apply to join and they might not let us in, the list is bloody endless!
You want independence then go for it you lot started all this off with the anti English rhetoric don’t dish it out if you don’t like it back, simple.

According to government statistics the North West of England has a higher identifiable expenditure than Scotland. The population is a bit higher than Scotland, which puts them in the same ball park.

There is just as much rhetoric coming from Little Englanders like you telling the Scots to feck off as there are Little Scotlanders telling the English to feck off. You only have to look at any comments section of a national newspaper to see this. The fact is your average Scot is just as valuable/ignorant/a good chap as your average English bloke. Personally I think the politicians up there need to set out what will happen if they go independent. At the moment it sounds all very nice because of the spin, but the reality I suspect would be different. The UK is better with Scotland than it is without. The same goes for the other countries in the UK.

You're welcome to your opinion but keep your 3rd world and other offensive comments in that tiny mind of yours.

[Bruce Rioja]

For your ill informed information just check what the size of the welfare bill is for North of the border

Come on then, Hoboh - let's see you back that up and also compare it to the regions.

[thebish]

listening to Farage on t'radio, you'd think that the EU budget was some kind of massive drain on our economy...

[Armchair Wanderer]

I don't have a huge problem with the conservative-lite coalition but this whole right-wing austerity thing is puzzling. You sack a load of people from public service and the welfare cost goes up. If you're changing it from public to private, the private company will want to streamline to save money, i.e. reduce staff increasing welfare. So you're increasing the welfare costs and lining the pockets of some private shareholders. Doesn't make sense to me.

Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better. Jury's out on conservative-lite, not sure full-speed austerity is necessarily the way to go.

[Bruce Rioja]

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Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better.

The previous government spent its entire term moaning about the Tory government that had gone before it whilst delivering plenty of 'bust' with no 'boom'. And on it'll go!

[BWFC_Insane]

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Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better.

The previous government spent its entire term moaning about the Tory government that had gone before it whilst delivering plenty of 'bust' with no 'boom'. And on it'll go!

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

[Bruce Rioja]

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Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better.

The previous government spent its entire term moaning about the Tory government that had gone before it whilst delivering plenty of 'bust' with no 'boom'. And on it'll go!

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

Oh, go on then - the floor's all yours......

[BWFC_Insane]

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Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better.

The previous government spent its entire term moaning about the Tory government that had gone before it whilst delivering plenty of 'bust' with no 'boom'. And on it'll go!

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

Oh, go on then - the floor's all yours......

They delivered the longest period of economic growth in the UK in 200 years.

Don't think much else needs to be said.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

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Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better.

The previous government spent its entire term moaning about the Tory government that had gone before it whilst delivering plenty of 'bust' with no 'boom'. And on it'll go!

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

Oh, go on then - the floor's all yours......

They delivered the longest period of economic growth in the UK in 200 years.

Don't think much else needs to be said.

The economic growth was based on sand. Quick sand...

[BWFC_Insane]

The economic growth was based on sand. Quick sand...

That's debatable. However it wasn't the point I was refuting.

You can argue Labour overspent, invested too heavily in the NHS and schools etc etc if you like. That comes down to politics and opinions.

But to suggest they created no 'boom' is absolutely incorrect.

In fact the economy was steadily growing when Brown left office.

We could have maintained that path with careful managed non ideological cuts. But the so called austerity has according to the OBR marginally if at all reduced the deficit (some of the headline reported debt had been deferred to 2013/14) whilst completely killing the growth in the economy.

[Bijou Bob]

Did anyone see The Andrew Marr show this morning? Have a look on i player for the best poiltical interview (and funniest) you'll see for some time as Boris Johnson gets torn apart by Eddie Mair.

I should detest Boris, but despite myself, I atually like the bloke.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

The economic growth was based on sand. Quick sand...

That's debatable. However it wasn't the point I was refuting.

You can argue Labour overspent, invested too heavily in the NHS and schools etc etc if you like. That comes down to politics and opinions.

But to suggest they created no 'boom' is absolutely incorrect.

In fact the economy was steadily growing when Brown left office.

We could have maintained that path with careful managed non ideological cuts. But the so called austerity has according to the OBR marginally if at all reduced the deficit (some of the headline reported debt had been deferred to 2013/14) whilst completely killing the growth in the economy.

I don't agree with the current incompetents, but labour are responsible for a massive mess. They spent money we simply didn't have and allowed a property market to overheat to the extent that you needed a mortgage 6 times + your earnings to own one (a generalisation, but you get what I mean). All the while they let the lunatics run the asylum (read the City).

The real problem is that we don't have an alternative. The current lot are as bad for different reasons, the Lib Dems are a disaster and the Greens even worse.

[Bruce Rioja]

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Yes Labour govt wasn't perfect but two wrongs don't make a right. You can only really bash the previous govt about something if you're showing (not just saying) you're doing things better.

The previous government spent its entire term moaning about the Tory government that had gone before it whilst delivering plenty of 'bust' with no 'boom'. And on it'll go!

Bollocks. Utter bollocks.

Oh, go on then - the floor's all yours......

They delivered the longest period of economic growth in the UK in 200 years.

Don't think much else needs to be said.

That'll be why we're in the pink then?!

[BWFC_Insane]

They delivered the longest period of economic growth in the UK in 200 years.

Don't think much else needs to be said.

That'll be why we're in the pink then?![/quote]

It's a fact. I don't think anyone disputes it. Are you?

The banking crisis changed things. But let's be clear, Brown had the economy moving again back into growth after the credit crunch.

The current lot have reversed that growth whilst barely, if at all cutting the deficit.

Personally I think the debt is somewhat of a red herring. We've been in debt constantly for the past century and a bit.

It's nowhere near as high as a percentage of GDP as it was in the 50's and 60's for example.

It's a lot less than Japan's and similar to that of the USA.

I don't think any of those countries are about to do a Cyprus.

Yes it needs tackling, but we also need to get the economy back on track. Something the government are virtually ignoring. They've cut for ideological and political reasons and not necessarily for the best economic reasons.