The Great Art Debate

[William the White]

Tomorrow, on that essential channel, BBC4 at 9.00pm Great Artists in their Own Words offers glimpses into the ideas of Dali, Magritte, Matisse and others. Guardian recommends as one of their picks of the day.

I liked Man Ray best... some fairly mystifying detours (L S Lowry, even though I genuinely like him, is hardly a turning point in 20th Century Art - perhaps simply a semi colon in proletarian realism - as in, without the politics). But will stick. Dali was such a wanker - heartless, money-grubbing prick.

Worth catching I reckon, and maybe worth sticking with.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Tomorrow, on that essential channel, BBC4 at 9.00pm Great Artists in their Own Words offers glimpses into the ideas of Dali, Magritte, Matisse and others. Guardian recommends as one of their picks of the day.

I liked Man Ray best... some fairly mystifying detours (L S Lowry, even though I genuinely like him, is hardly a turning point in 20th Century Art - perhaps simply a semi colon in proletarian realism - as in, without the politics). But will stick. Dali was such a wanker - heartless, money-grubbing prick.

Worth catching I reckon, and maybe worth sticking with.

Thanks Will - I'm in tonight so will iPlayer it.

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

As for Dali... I think he was guilty of all of those things as well as being a sexual deviant. He was, however, a great painter - the "last of the old masters", as Brian Sewell has it.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Tomorrow, on that essential channel, BBC4 at 9.00pm Great Artists in their Own Words offers glimpses into the ideas of Dali, Magritte, Matisse and others. Guardian recommends as one of their picks of the day.

I liked Man Ray best... some fairly mystifying detours (L S Lowry, even though I genuinely like him, is hardly a turning point in 20th Century Art - perhaps simply a semi colon in proletarian realism - as in, without the politics). But will stick. Dali was such a wanker - heartless, money-grubbing prick.

Worth catching I reckon, and maybe worth sticking with.

Thanks Will - I'm in tonight so will iPlayer it.

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

As for Dali... I think he was guilty of all of those things as well as being a sexual deviant. He was, however, a great painter - the "last of the old masters", as Brian Sewell has it.

Really, PB! Using "iplayer" as a verb - what is wrong with 'watch' - surely the method is not important enough to torture the language. You of all people should be above geek speak.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Really, PB! Using "iplayer" as a verb - what is wrong with 'watch' - surely the method is not important enough to torture the language. You of all people should be above geek speak.

Apologies.

And I'm even more sorry that the search function doesn't turn up an example of your using 'Google' as a verb. Damn you and your consistency.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Really, PB! Using "iplayer" as a verb - what is wrong with 'watch' - surely the method is not important enough to torture the language. You of all people should be above geek speak.

Apologies.

And I'm even more sorry that the search function doesn't turn up an example of your using 'Google' as a verb. Damn you and your consistency.

I expect I have though....

[TANGODANCER]

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

In a nutshell. The age of emerging industry. It's no secret I'm a big Turner fan.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

In a nutshell. The age of emerging industry. It's no secret I'm a big Turner fan.

In the programme, they pointed out that Turner was born the same year as Jane Austen - now doesn't that seem amazing?

[Montreal Wanderer]

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

In a nutshell. The age of emerging industry. It's no secret I'm a big Turner fan.

In the programme, they pointed out that Turner was born the same year as Jane Austen - now doesn't that seem amazing?

It sure does since Jane was several years older than one Turner - depends which one you mean I guess (William was younger and J.M.W.'s birth date is unkown - although 1775 is a good guess).

[TANGODANCER]

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

In a nutshell. The age of emerging industry. It's no secret I'm a big Turner fan.

In the programme, they pointed out that Turner was born the same year as Jane Austen - now doesn't that seem amazing?

It sure does since Jane was several years older than one Turner - depends which one you mean I guess (William was younger and J.M.W.'s birth date is unkown - although 1775 is a good guess).

JMW lasted a fair bit longer than poor old Jane, who was only forty two when she died in 1817. His industrial stuff was all after her time. The difference in them artistically is that Turner was happy with the grass roots of it all and embraced it in his works, whereas Jane Austen avoided the working classes or any mention of background war in Europe in her work. She wrote almost exclusively of upper middle class and landed gentry life in the Regency era, just giving a slight nod to poverty in Mansfield Park (which also touched briefly on the horrors of the slave trade). She did however take the micky right royaly out of her own level of society in many of her characters and highlighted the harshness of life for women unable to marry well from that world and the rules of male inheritance and property entailment law of the time. Her world was primarily frivolity and romance, balls and ettiquette , Turner's the reality of life, climate and action. I've plenty of respect for both in their own ways.

[Burnden Paddock]

I'm not sure that this really fits into the Great Art Debate per se, but I'm lobbing it in here anyway. I hope you don't think me strange BUT, all my life, even as a child, I've had an absolute fascination with abandonment. Buildings, vehicles, industrial sites, old derelict houses, sports grounds/stadiums (especially those), battlefields, the ground on which something once stood - anything really. I've always wondered what their story was. Anyway, there are 30 beautiful abandonments here. Have to say I'm quite surprised that Chernobyl didn't make the list!

http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/04/14/ ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Only just seen this post. Number 9 on the list is Pripiyat a town 20km from Chernobyl. I've looked on Youtube for an episode of No Reservations presented by Anthony Bourdain that I saw a year or two ago, where he visited Pripiyat as part of a tour of Ukraine. Couldn't find it, but here's a video of the area from summat else, if you're interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aptV35As8jY

[William the White]

Tomorrow, on that essential channel, BBC4 at 9.00pm Great Artists in their Own Words offers glimpses into the ideas of Dali, Magritte, Matisse and others. Guardian recommends as one of their picks of the day.

I liked Man Ray best... some fairly mystifying detours (L S Lowry, even though I genuinely like him, is hardly a turning point in 20th Century Art - perhaps simply a semi colon in proletarian realism - as in, without the politics). But will stick. Dali was such a wanker - heartless, money-grubbing prick.

Worth catching I reckon, and maybe worth sticking with.

Thanks Will - I'm in tonight so will iPlayer it.

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

As for Dali... I think he was guilty of all of those things as well as being a sexual deviant. He was, however, a great painter - the "last of the old masters", as Brian Sewell has it.

I admire Dali's work without ever truly liking it. It seems so self satisfied, such deliberate artifice. No idea what Sewell means by that - care to develop the point? Either Sewell's argument or your support of it?

[Montreal Wanderer]

Tomorrow, on that essential channel, BBC4 at 9.00pm Great Artists in their Own Words offers glimpses into the ideas of Dali, Magritte, Matisse and others. Guardian recommends as one of their picks of the day.

I liked Man Ray best... some fairly mystifying detours (L S Lowry, even though I genuinely like him, is hardly a turning point in 20th Century Art - perhaps simply a semi colon in proletarian realism - as in, without the politics). But will stick. Dali was such a wanker - heartless, money-grubbing prick.

Worth catching I reckon, and maybe worth sticking with.

Thanks Will - I'm in tonight so will iPlayer it.

I enjoyed the Turner programme. It's funny, because we look at Turner's paintings of steam trains and steam tugboats and they can't help but look quaintly nostalgic, but back then they were of course the brash images of modernity.

As for Dali... I think he was guilty of all of those things as well as being a sexual deviant. He was, however, a great painter - the "last of the old masters", as Brian Sewell has it.

I admire Dali's work without ever truly liking it. It seems so self satisfied, such deliberate artifice. No idea what Sewell means by that - care to develop the point? Either Sewell's argument or your support of it?

While I find Dali interesting and actually like his work, I cannot imagine why he would be called the last of the old masters. I would have called him one of the more fascinating surrealists.

[thebish]

some very cool "street" art here...

http://memolition.com/2013/02/02/the-be ... 1bdc95714c

[Prufrock]

Yeah, but he had a pet Ocelot, so the man's a King. Cheryl Tunt of the art world!

[thebish]

I'm not sure that this really fits into the Great Art Debate per se, but I'm lobbing it in here anyway. I hope you don't think me strange BUT, all my life, even as a child, I've had an absolute fascination with abandonment. Buildings, vehicles, industrial sites, old derelict houses, sports grounds/stadiums (especially those), battlefields, the ground on which something once stood - anything really. I've always wondered what their story was. Anyway, there are 30 beautiful abandonments here. Have to say I'm quite surprised that Chernobyl didn't make the list!

http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/04/14/ ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

if that's your bag - have a poke around some of the urbex sites... could be a new hobby for you!

[William the White]

I admire Dali's work without ever truly liking it. It seems so self satisfied, such deliberate artifice. No idea what Sewell means by that - care to develop the point? Either Sewell's argument or your support of it?

While I find Dali interesting and actually like his work, I cannot imagine why he would be called the last of the old masters. I would have called him one of the more fascinating surrealists.

I have to confess - I pretty much hate what he does, pretty much the same, once, then again, and then for the thousandth time - and, i admit - with skill and boldness - and imagination - and cleverness - but so little else...

Hey, I guess, how much more are you entitled to ask for?

not much, I suppose... but, I would like...

A heart... an emotional centre... a curiosity... a dynamic... a future... a transcendence... a possibility of change... an uncertainty... a movement... a fluidity...

[Beefheart]

His clocks tend to be pretty fluid?

[William the White]

His clocks tend to be pretty fluid?

his hours triangular he claims...

[Montreal Wanderer]

His clocks tend to be pretty fluid?

his hours triangular he claims...

I like his work but I don't think I would like him - very odd chap. I'm glad our paths never crossed!

[Bruce Rioja]

I'm not sure that this really fits into the Great Art Debate per se, but I'm lobbing it in here anyway. I hope you don't think me strange BUT, all my life, even as a child, I've had an absolute fascination with abandonment. Buildings, vehicles, industrial sites, old derelict houses, sports grounds/stadiums (especially those), battlefields, the ground on which something once stood - anything really. I've always wondered what their story was. Anyway, there are 30 beautiful abandonments here. Have to say I'm quite surprised that Chernobyl didn't make the list!

http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/04/14/ ... the-world/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

if that's your bag - have a poke around some of the urbex sites... could be a new hobby for you!

Cheers. Have you seen some of the pics of Chernobyl?