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Re: Dougie

Post by CrazyHorse » Sat May 11, 2013 11:12 am

So was mine! You too. :)
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Re: Dougie

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat May 11, 2013 11:16 am

Seriously though this can only be a good thing, with the rumoured incompetence of our previous medical and fitness staff, bringing back a more technical approach to fitness and injury rehabilitation surely must be good?

And Mark Leather if he is coming back would be good, I seem to remember at one point he was one of the most sought after physios in the game.

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Post by Lord Kangana » Sat May 11, 2013 11:17 am

Anyway, I thought we had all these style headlines when:

1) Sammy Lee took over, and apparently all our previous good form had been down to him anyway.
2) Megson arrived and called it all a load of guff, jiggery pokery stuff that did nowt. Apart from get us into Europe.
2) Coyle took over and everything in the past was made of coal, everything in the future was made of gold. And Barcelona-shaped passing triangles.

Perhaps you could flip the "critical faculties" switch back on?
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Re: Dougie

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat May 11, 2013 12:14 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Anyway, I thought we had all these style headlines when:

1) Sammy Lee took over, and apparently all our previous good form had been down to him anyway.
2) Megson arrived and called it all a load of guff, jiggery pokery stuff that did nowt. Apart from get us into Europe.
2) Coyle took over and everything in the past was made of coal, everything in the future was made of gold. And Barcelona-shaped passing triangles.

Perhaps you could flip the "critical faculties" switch back on?
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Re: Dougie

Post by Dr.Karl » Sat May 11, 2013 5:00 pm

This should be absolutely standard at any professional club. Such a joke this was discarded under Coyle. Confirms to me that Freedman is the guy for us, we'll certainly have a better shot of going up under him rather than the usual merry go round of managers. Hope the plebs give him time if we have a rough patch, its all in place for him to succeed.
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Post by SmokinFrazier » Sat May 11, 2013 5:09 pm

It's hard to form an opinion on something we don't see, hear or understand. A new training regime might sound good but is it the right one? Will Freedman push the players too hard? Will they have the right diet? Will the ratios of focus between technique and physical ability be correct? How long will players be given to recover from muscle tiredness, tendon damage etc.? We just don't know and even if we did know, we don't know each player would react to that.

So whilst 'new fangled training regime' sounds good, it's hard to form an opinion on it. The only reflection of it's success is on the pitch, which hasn't been a night and day change yet.

Every time a new manager comes in, they're always going to talk about how they're going to do things better and improve on them. I'll wait to see whether it works before giving praise.

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Re: Dougie

Post by malcd1 » Sat May 11, 2013 6:56 pm

Dr.Karl wrote:
This should be absolutely standard at any professional club. Such a joke this was discarded under Coyle. Confirms to me that Freedman is the guy for us, we'll certainly have a better shot of going up under him rather than the usual merry go round of managers. Hope the plebs give him time if we have a rough patch, its all in place for him to succeed.
I think it was discarded under Megson. Coyle then failed to introduce it again.

I don't know if it works but I don't think our players were particularly fit under either manager.
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Post by Mar » Sun May 12, 2013 5:08 pm

malcd1 wrote:
Dr.Karl wrote:
This should be absolutely standard at any professional club. Such a joke this was discarded under Coyle. Confirms to me that Freedman is the guy for us, we'll certainly have a better shot of going up under him rather than the usual merry go round of managers. Hope the plebs give him time if we have a rough patch, its all in place for him to succeed.
I think it was discarded under Megson. Coyle then failed to introduce it again.

I don't know if it works but I don't think our players were particularly fit under either manager.

I wonder if Gartside believes in the Sports Science approach. After all we've had one really successful manager with it and since been going backwards without it. How it hasn't been carried on since beggars belief. All appointments should be made with the Sports Science in mind.

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Post by thebish » Sun May 12, 2013 5:41 pm

Sports Science??? nahhh... Physics, Chemistry - they are proper sciences... Sports Science??? pah!

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Post by Il Pirate » Sun May 12, 2013 7:18 pm

Allardyce looked at what British Cycling was doing. Dave Brailsford looked at what Allardyce & team was doing. Both brought in the best staff and pushed boundaries for 'marginal gains'.

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Post by thebish » Mon May 13, 2013 9:32 am

BeN wrote: WANDERERS will today usher in a new era with the appointment of Mark Leather as their new head of sports development.

As The Bolton News revealed at the weekend, the club are looking to completely revamp their medical and sports science department this summer with the departure of several existing staff.

But it has now been confirmed that Leather – one of the integral members of Sam Allardyce’s backroom during the Premier League era – will be the man to front up the wholesale changes.
full story here: http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... 0414658._/

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Post by mrkint » Mon May 13, 2013 9:33 am

Can you actually usher in a new era by appointing an old member of staff?

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon May 13, 2013 9:50 am

Does anyone not think this is a good idea?

I mean I struggle to comprehend why our last two managers decided to abandon something that had been a significant part of our previous success. Especially as the equipment was still there.

I know under Megson the stuff was still used by players but some of it became "voluntary", so next to useless.

Then under Coyle it seems it was completely abandoned.

I just don't get why that would happen when the stuff was sitting idly?

Ah well. Can only be a positive, especially bringing back one of the people responsible for setting it up in the first place. And with a connection to the club......

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Post by thebish » Mon May 13, 2013 9:50 am

mrkint wrote:Can you actually usher in a new era by appointing an old member of staff?
hmm possibly - but you risk unbalancing the space-time continuum and destroying the world...

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Re: Dougie

Post by Beefheart » Mon May 13, 2013 10:05 am

I can't see why you wouldn't have all the sports science stuff in place, Coyle always talked about how fine the margins were in the premier league so why not do everything possible to get on the right side of those margins?

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Re: Dougie

Post by CAPSLOCK » Mon May 13, 2013 10:13 am

Cos clapping like a demented seal is much more likely to work
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Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon May 13, 2013 10:42 am

CAPSLOCK wrote:Cos clapping like a demented seal is much more likely to work
Genuinely made me laugh.

Bloke sat in front of me once did a commentary on it....

"Ohhh Villa are killing us in midfield, time for a clap surely? We need a clap. Oh, oh, there it is. We'll be reet now".....

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon May 13, 2013 1:20 pm

The appliance of sports science isn't a panacea - Man U have it, yet still have plenty injuries - but it does somewhat irk me that our last two managers elected to ignore it, with almost wilful perversity. You can make a case that the experts' wages add up, but I'd guess their combined salaries would be dwarfed by what we were paying, say, Sean Davis.

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Re: Dougie

Post by Lord Kangana » Mon May 13, 2013 1:35 pm

Bloody hell, are we still paying him?
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