The Politics Thread

[Lord Kangana]

You see, its not all adversarial this political lark.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I am enjoying the irony of a socialist lecturing an economic right winger on the naivety of thinking that someone could do something for any reason other than the profit motive.

[Prufrock]

Well. In shocking news today, Theresa May is still a know-nowt mental harpy bitch. And still in charge of shit!

[Hoboh]

Well. In shocking news today, Theresa May is still a know-nowt mental harpy bitch. And still in charge of shit!

Not a great admirer of her but fair play both Capt Hook and Qatada have both been removed from the tax bill.

[Prufrock]

What the shit-f*ck is this privatise Royal Mail lark? The govt are constantly banging on about how everything is losing money (although getting rid of Trident would be short-termist, and not really put a dent in the grand scheme of things) but now they want to sell off something that is actually making money. It's either a cynical political ploy (shit, turns out state-owned stuff can make money, get rid of Lloyds too, while we'll get a low price for it), or they're just thick.

That's assuming it's making an actual profit, and not making a fake 'profit', as its costs are actually heavily subsidised. If that is the case, then they're obviously correct to take the oh-so-successful route they did with the trains. Let's keep paying the subsidy, but let someone else 'privatise' the profit.

One of the arguments given for the privatisation on the news was that RM needed infrastructure spending which would require borrowing, and the Govt doesn't want to borrow more, whereas a private company can borrow money happily. Now, call me naive, but the only way a private company is going to borrow that money is if spending it looks like it will increase profits in the future, and so pay for itself and more. If that's the case, then yay for the Govt borrowing the same cash at a cheaper rate and making a profit too. If it isn't going to make a profit, then we have three options 1) No company takes it on 2) They do, fail, and then we bail them out 3) (and this my fav, imagine this happening at any point, at all, in history, or even recently) We pay for all the shit stuff, and they get the money for the nice stuff.

Royal Mail used to be shit, but now it's fab. E-Mail almost killed the postal service; Internet shopping saved it. The reason RM is so good is because DHL or the like will offer to deliver your parcel, for 6 times the price, at a time when you aren't in, and then will kindly allow you to have it delivered to you at a depot in the arse-end of nowhere, which takes so long to get to and back you'd have been better buying it in the shop. This depot is also conveniently open only in office hours, when you're at work.

The Royal Mail now, if you're lucky, delivers it early enough that you're still in. If you're not, they leave it in a depot within easy reach, which is open before work.

The Royal Mail, if privatised, definitely wont up its prices to almost those of its current rivals, sell off all the prime real estate in town and city centres, and therefore provide a much shitter service. The bonus is the profit it is currently making will go to its shareholders rather than the Treasury. AND, if it f*cks up we'll end up paying for it anyway.

woo.

[Hoboh]

What the shit-f*ck is this privatise Royal Mail lark? The govt are constantly banging on about how everything is losing money (although getting rid of Trident would be short-termist, and not really put a dent in the grand scheme of things) but now they want to sell off something that is actually making money. It's either a cynical political ploy (shit, turns out state-owned stuff can make money, get rid of Lloyds too, while we'll get a low price for it), or they're just thick.

That's assuming it's making an actual profit, and not making a fake 'profit', as its costs are actually heavily subsidised. If that is the case, then they're obviously correct to take the oh-so-successful route they did with the trains. Let's keep paying the subsidy, but let someone else 'privatise' the profit.

One of the arguments given for the privatisation on the news was that RM needed infrastructure spending which would require borrowing, and the Govt doesn't want to borrow more, whereas a private company can borrow money happily. Now, call me naive, but the only way a private company is going to borrow that money is if spending it looks like it will increase profits in the future, and so pay for itself and more. If that's the case, then yay for the Govt borrowing the same cash at a cheaper rate and making a profit too. If it isn't going to make a profit, then we have three options 1) No company takes it on 2) They do, fail, and then we bail them out 3) (and this my fav, imagine this happening at any point, at all, in history, or even recently) We pay for all the shit stuff, and they get the money for the nice stuff.

Royal Mail used to be shit, but now it's fab. E-Mail almost killed the postal service; Internet shopping saved it. The reason RM is so good is because DHL or the like will offer to deliver your parcel, for 6 times the price, at a time when you aren't in, and then will kindly allow you to have it delivered to you at a depot in the arse-end of nowhere, which takes so long to get to and back you'd have been better buying it in the shop. This depot is also conveniently open only in office hours, when you're at work.

The Royal Mail now, if you're lucky, delivers it early enough that you're still in. If you're not, they leave it in a depot within easy reach, which is open before work.

The Royal Mail, if privatised, definitely wont up its prices to almost those of its current rivals, sell off all the prime real estate in town and city centres, and therefore provide a much shitter service. The bonus is the profit it is currently making will go to its shareholders rather than the Treasury. AND, if it f*cks up we'll end up paying for it anyway.

woo.

The Marvellous Royal Mail is now 3 whole feckin' days late with something I bought off ebay so they can go screw themsleves! Feckin' union commie SOB's.
If Postman Tw*t don't turn up today the feckin' dog will be out when he finally does

[Hoboh]

All quiet on the Falkirk Front on here Mind you I guess everyone already knew the bent unions had been runing scams like this for years with their own elections as well as Labours so no news there then, nothing to be seen, move on!

[BWFC_Insane]

What the shit-f*ck is this privatise Royal Mail lark? The govt are constantly banging on about how everything is losing money (although getting rid of Trident would be short-termist, and not really put a dent in the grand scheme of things) but now they want to sell off something that is actually making money. It's either a cynical political ploy (shit, turns out state-owned stuff can make money, get rid of Lloyds too, while we'll get a low price for it), or they're just thick.

That's assuming it's making an actual profit, and not making a fake 'profit', as its costs are actually heavily subsidised. If that is the case, then they're obviously correct to take the oh-so-successful route they did with the trains. Let's keep paying the subsidy, but let someone else 'privatise' the profit.

One of the arguments given for the privatisation on the news was that RM needed infrastructure spending which would require borrowing, and the Govt doesn't want to borrow more, whereas a private company can borrow money happily. Now, call me naive, but the only way a private company is going to borrow that money is if spending it looks like it will increase profits in the future, and so pay for itself and more. If that's the case, then yay for the Govt borrowing the same cash at a cheaper rate and making a profit too. If it isn't going to make a profit, then we have three options 1) No company takes it on 2) They do, fail, and then we bail them out 3) (and this my fav, imagine this happening at any point, at all, in history, or even recently) We pay for all the shit stuff, and they get the money for the nice stuff.

Royal Mail used to be shit, but now it's fab. E-Mail almost killed the postal service; Internet shopping saved it. The reason RM is so good is because DHL or the like will offer to deliver your parcel, for 6 times the price, at a time when you aren't in, and then will kindly allow you to have it delivered to you at a depot in the arse-end of nowhere, which takes so long to get to and back you'd have been better buying it in the shop. This depot is also conveniently open only in office hours, when you're at work.

The Royal Mail now, if you're lucky, delivers it early enough that you're still in. If you're not, they leave it in a depot within easy reach, which is open before work.

The Royal Mail, if privatised, definitely wont up its prices to almost those of its current rivals, sell off all the prime real estate in town and city centres, and therefore provide a much shitter service. The bonus is the profit it is currently making will go to its shareholders rather than the Treasury. AND, if it f*cks up we'll end up paying for it anyway.

woo.

This is bob on the money for me.

I deapair when I buy something online that isn't delivered by Royal Mail. Cos you have feck all chance of receiving it without driving to fecking Preston or Clitheroe or somesuch far flung depot and usually taking a day off work to do so.

The Royal Mail service is excellent.

And yeah lets privatise something that works cos that always makes things miles better doesn't it?

Idiots.

[Beefheart]

I really can't see the logic behind privatising the royal mail. I can see the increased prices and poorer service coming already. I buy a lot of stuff online though so I might buy some shares in it.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

All quiet on the Falkirk Front on here Mind you I guess everyone already knew the bent unions had been runing scams like this for years with their own elections as well as Labours so no news there then, nothing to be seen, move on!

Do fxck off.

[Hoboh]

What the shit-f*ck is this privatise Royal Mail lark? The govt are constantly banging on about how everything is losing money (although getting rid of Trident would be short-termist, and not really put a dent in the grand scheme of things) but now they want to sell off something that is actually making money. It's either a cynical political ploy (shit, turns out state-owned stuff can make money, get rid of Lloyds too, while we'll get a low price for it), or they're just thick.

That's assuming it's making an actual profit, and not making a fake 'profit', as its costs are actually heavily subsidised. If that is the case, then they're obviously correct to take the oh-so-successful route they did with the trains. Let's keep paying the subsidy, but let someone else 'privatise' the profit.

One of the arguments given for the privatisation on the news was that RM needed infrastructure spending which would require borrowing, and the Govt doesn't want to borrow more, whereas a private company can borrow money happily. Now, call me naive, but the only way a private company is going to borrow that money is if spending it looks like it will increase profits in the future, and so pay for itself and more. If that's the case, then yay for the Govt borrowing the same cash at a cheaper rate and making a profit too. If it isn't going to make a profit, then we have three options 1) No company takes it on 2) They do, fail, and then we bail them out 3) (and this my fav, imagine this happening at any point, at all, in history, or even recently) We pay for all the shit stuff, and they get the money for the nice stuff.

Royal Mail used to be shit, but now it's fab. E-Mail almost killed the postal service; Internet shopping saved it. The reason RM is so good is because DHL or the like will offer to deliver your parcel, for 6 times the price, at a time when you aren't in, and then will kindly allow you to have it delivered to you at a depot in the arse-end of nowhere, which takes so long to get to and back you'd have been better buying it in the shop. This depot is also conveniently open only in office hours, when you're at work.

The Royal Mail now, if you're lucky, delivers it early enough that you're still in. If you're not, they leave it in a depot within easy reach, which is open before work.

The Royal Mail, if privatised, definitely wont up its prices to almost those of its current rivals, sell off all the prime real estate in town and city centres, and therefore provide a much shitter service. The bonus is the profit it is currently making will go to its shareholders rather than the Treasury. AND, if it f*cks up we'll end up paying for it anyway.

woo.

This is bob on the money for me.

I deapair when I buy something online that isn't delivered by Royal Mail. Cos you have feck all chance of receiving it without driving to fecking Preston or Clitheroe or somesuch far flung depot and usually taking a day off work to do so.

The Royal Mail service is excellent.
And yeah lets privatise something that works cos that always makes things miles better doesn't it?

Idiots.

No it isn't!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

What the shit-f*ck is this privatise Royal Mail lark? The govt are constantly banging on about how everything is losing money (although getting rid of Trident would be short-termist, and not really put a dent in the grand scheme of things) but now they want to sell off something that is actually making money. It's either a cynical political ploy (shit, turns out state-owned stuff can make money, get rid of Lloyds too, while we'll get a low price for it), or they're just thick.

That's assuming it's making an actual profit, and not making a fake 'profit', as its costs are actually heavily subsidised. If that is the case, then they're obviously correct to take the oh-so-successful route they did with the trains. Let's keep paying the subsidy, but let someone else 'privatise' the profit.

One of the arguments given for the privatisation on the news was that RM needed infrastructure spending which would require borrowing, and the Govt doesn't want to borrow more, whereas a private company can borrow money happily. Now, call me naive, but the only way a private company is going to borrow that money is if spending it looks like it will increase profits in the future, and so pay for itself and more. If that's the case, then yay for the Govt borrowing the same cash at a cheaper rate and making a profit too. If it isn't going to make a profit, then we have three options 1) No company takes it on 2) They do, fail, and then we bail them out 3) (and this my fav, imagine this happening at any point, at all, in history, or even recently) We pay for all the shit stuff, and they get the money for the nice stuff.

Royal Mail used to be shit, but now it's fab. E-Mail almost killed the postal service; Internet shopping saved it. The reason RM is so good is because DHL or the like will offer to deliver your parcel, for 6 times the price, at a time when you aren't in, and then will kindly allow you to have it delivered to you at a depot in the arse-end of nowhere, which takes so long to get to and back you'd have been better buying it in the shop. This depot is also conveniently open only in office hours, when you're at work.

The Royal Mail now, if you're lucky, delivers it early enough that you're still in. If you're not, they leave it in a depot within easy reach, which is open before work.

The Royal Mail, if privatised, definitely wont up its prices to almost those of its current rivals, sell off all the prime real estate in town and city centres, and therefore provide a much shitter service. The bonus is the profit it is currently making will go to its shareholders rather than the Treasury. AND, if it f*cks up we'll end up paying for it anyway.

woo.

Yep. Correct. One of the reasons that Royal Mail makes a profit is the philately market, once privatised it's anybody's guess whever that can be sustained or not.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The Royal Mail service is excellent.
And yeah lets privatise something that works cos that always makes things miles better doesn't it?

No it isn't!

Oh yes it is...
double feck off

[Hoboh]

The Royal Mail service is excellent.
And yeah lets privatise something that works cos that always makes things miles better doesn't it?

No it isn't!

Oh yes it is...
double feck off

So BT or the GPO as was gave a good cheap affordable or on time service did they? Did they feck!!! and still don't.
The post office is one of the last bastions of commie unions and should be smashed.

[BWFC_Insane]

The Royal Mail service is excellent.
And yeah lets privatise something that works cos that always makes things miles better doesn't it?

No it isn't!

Oh yes it is...
double feck off

So BT or the GPO as was gave a good cheap affordable or on time service did they? Did they feck!!! and still don't.
The post office is one of the last bastions of commie unions and should be smashed.

Lets try a different tack. Name one private parcel delivery service who is as affordable as the Royal Mail and lets me pick up my parcel from a local depot (a mile or less) from my house whenever I want Monday-Saturday.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The Royal Mail service is excellent.
And yeah lets privatise something that works cos that always makes things miles better doesn't it?

No it isn't!

Oh yes it is...
double feck off

So BT or the GPO as was gave a good cheap affordable or on time service did they? Did they feck!!! and still don't.
The post office is one of the last bastions of commie unions and should be smashed.

Lets try a different tack. Name one private parcel delivery service who is as affordable as the Royal Mail and lets me pick up my parcel from a local depot (a mile or less) from my house whenever I want Monday-Saturday.

...and will deliver it to you whether you live in Benbecula, Inner Glasgow, the Isles of Scilly or a farm in the middle of fecking nowhere.

[Hoboh]

[you live in Benbecula, Inner Glasgow, the Isles of Scilly or a farm in the middle of fecking nowhere.

Mmmmm seems they don't know where the hell Bolton is though! Still not got my parcel

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I haven't looked at the Royal Mail thing in any detail, but don't really understand it either.

How long has it been profitable for? It was losing money for quite a while, wasn't it?

I wonder what superficial short-term boost the proceeds of a sale would give the public finances?

[William the White]

I haven't looked at the Royal Mail thing in any detail, but don't really understand it either.

How long has it been profitable for? It was losing money for quite a while, wasn't it?

I wonder what superficial short-term boost the proceeds of a sale would give the public finances?

The government relieved it of the burden of its pension fund, thus taking away all of its debt.

By that splendid piece of entrepreneurship it is now profitable.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I haven't looked at the Royal Mail thing in any detail, but don't really understand it either.

How long has it been profitable for? It was losing money for quite a while, wasn't it?

I wonder what superficial short-term boost the proceeds of a sale would give the public finances?

The government relieved it of the burden of its pension fund, thus taking away all of its debt.

By that splendid piece of entrepreneurship it is now profitable.

The government also relieved it of the not inconsiderable profit it would have generated by the sale of 3G and the proceeds of BT etc etc. if only they'd left it as the GPO.