The Politics Thread

[William the White]

Grangemouth shows, once more, how confident the ruling class feels. From outrageous bankers' bonuses and bailouts, to the energy companies so feathering the nest they are prepared to embarrass the government that adores them (and look to have won, with the liberal poodle yapping in mute), to negotiation with their workforce with a gun pointed to the temple.

Into the trough all the pigs plunge with a happy carefree oink.

And, indeed, they are behaving appropriately for their class - there is no countervailing force that frightens them, why should they not put money in the purse? They have just rubbed into the dog dirt the noses of Unite - who had the sheer cheek to insist that the employers hold true to the agreements they had made with their workforce on pensions and did not actually reduce real wages... An unreasonable demand of red union barons?

We see today news reports on an upsurge of rickets. We see a quarter of NHS hospitals defined as being at 'high risk'. And we see Miliband engaged in a pathetic little skirmish on energy prices.

This multinational company says it is finished with Grangemouth, it will no longer produce there, the petrochemical plant is finished.

Very well, accept that, discuss no more, nationalise it, pay the compensation it's worth if it's scrap, and not a penny more, they've decided it's not a going concern, so don't pay for it as though it is! And, no bureaucracy, no whitehall planning, place it under workers control. Give the working people of Grangemouth a chance to breathe in their own country. Take away the whip and the sneer of Tory Britain, give them the factory, give them the jobs. Allow them to decide their strategy and work for their future.

Just a thought... As Tango would say...

[Bruce Rioja]

Grangemouth shows, once more, how confident the ruling class feels. From outrageous bankers' bonuses and bailouts, to the energy companies so feathering the nest they are prepared to embarrass the government that adores them (and look to have won, with the liberal poodle yapping in mute), to negotiation with their workforce with a gun pointed to the temple.

Ed say that he's going to force them all to hold pricing at a particular level. Only, I haven't heard him say how he's going to bring that about (though nor have I looked, to be honest). How's he going to enforce that?

[Hoboh]

This man is currently the most dangerous man in the UK
I give you;
Tree hugger General, tax everyone more than even Labor would

SuperClegg

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Grangemouth shows, once more, how confident the ruling class feels. From outrageous bankers' bonuses and bailouts, to the energy companies so feathering the nest they are prepared to embarrass the government that adores them (and look to have won, with the liberal poodle yapping in mute), to negotiation with their workforce with a gun pointed to the temple.

Into the trough all the pigs plunge with a happy carefree oink.

And, indeed, they are behaving appropriately for their class - there is no countervailing force that frightens them, why should they not put money in the purse? They have just rubbed into the dog dirt the noses of Unite - who had the sheer cheek to insist that the employers hold true to the agreements they had made with their workforce on pensions and did not actually reduce real wages... An unreasonable demand of red union barons?

We see today news reports on an upsurge of rickets. We see a quarter of NHS hospitals defined as being at 'high risk'. And we see Miliband engaged in a pathetic little skirmish on energy prices.

This multinational company says it is finished with Grangemouth, it will no longer produce there, the petrochemical plant is finished.

Very well, accept that, discuss no more, nationalise it, pay the compensation it's worth if it's scrap, and not a penny more, they've decided it's not a going concern, so don't pay for it as though it is! And, no bureaucracy, no whitehall planning, place it under workers control. Give the working people of Grangemouth a chance to breathe in their own country. Take away the whip and the sneer of Tory Britain, give them the factory, give them the jobs. Allow them to decide their strategy and work for their future.

Just a thought... As Tango would say...

Alternatively it shows what a complete bunch of tossers Unite really are. A workforce led up a cul de sac by the ubertosser Len McCluskey.

Just a thought.

Power to the People, eh Will?

[Bruce Rioja]

This man is currently the most dangerous man in the UK

Can you share your thinking here please, Hoboh? Clegg fails to register on my barometer of political significance, so I'm intrigued.

[Lord Kangana]

This man is currently the most dangerous man in the UK
I give you;
Tree hugger General, tax everyone more than even Labor would

SuperClegg

Isn't he, to be fair to him, the guy behind the tax threshold being raised to £10K?

[Prufrock]

Will be interesting the next time Anjem Choudary pops up to see how Hoboh manages to rant about how awful he is whilst maintaining that he's less dangerous than Nick Clegg (which, he probably is, but not in Hoboh world).

[Hoboh]

Will be interesting the next time Anjem Choudary pops up to see how Hoboh manages to rant about how awful he is whilst maintaining that he's less dangerous than Nick Clegg (which, he probably is, but not in Hoboh world).

Is not in a position to 'block' things vital to this country, Clegg and his tank topped backers are!
In 'Hoboh world' there would be far far less folk like him here in the first place.

[thebish]

hang on - wasn't it Dave who said that to vote blue was to vote green and that he'd be ushering in the greenest government of all time?? he went off to hug huskies didn't he??

[Hoboh]

hang on - wasn't it Dave who said that to vote blue was to vote green and that he'd be ushering in the greenest government of all time?? he went off to hug huskies didn't he??

At least Dave's willing to change his undies

[bwfcdan94]

Will be interesting the next time Anjem Choudary pops up to see how Hoboh manages to rant about how awful he is whilst maintaining that he's less dangerous than Nick Clegg (which, he probably is, but not in Hoboh world).

[thebish]

so... the tories are back to threatening the BBC?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Grangemouth shows, once more, how confident the ruling class feels. From outrageous bankers' bonuses and bailouts, to the energy companies so feathering the nest they are prepared to embarrass the government that adores them (and look to have won, with the liberal poodle yapping in mute), to negotiation with their workforce with a gun pointed to the temple.

Into the trough all the pigs plunge with a happy carefree oink.

And, indeed, they are behaving appropriately for their class - there is no countervailing force that frightens them, why should they not put money in the purse? They have just rubbed into the dog dirt the noses of Unite - who had the sheer cheek to insist that the employers hold true to the agreements they had made with their workforce on pensions and did not actually reduce real wages... An unreasonable demand of red union barons?

We see today news reports on an upsurge of rickets. We see a quarter of NHS hospitals defined as being at 'high risk'. And we see Miliband engaged in a pathetic little skirmish on energy prices.

This multinational company says it is finished with Grangemouth, it will no longer produce there, the petrochemical plant is finished.

Very well, accept that, discuss no more, nationalise it, pay the compensation it's worth if it's scrap, and not a penny more, they've decided it's not a going concern, so don't pay for it as though it is! And, no bureaucracy, no whitehall planning, place it under workers control. Give the working people of Grangemouth a chance to breathe in their own country. Take away the whip and the sneer of Tory Britain, give them the factory, give them the jobs. Allow them to decide their strategy and work for their future.

Just a thought... As Tango would say...

Are you not embarrassed to use the phrase 'ruling class'?

[Hoboh]

Grangemouth shows, once more, how confident the ruling class feels. From outrageous bankers' bonuses and bailouts, to the energy companies so feathering the nest they are prepared to embarrass the government that adores them (and look to have won, with the liberal poodle yapping in mute), to negotiation with their workforce with a gun pointed to the temple.

Into the trough all the pigs plunge with a happy carefree oink.

And, indeed, they are behaving appropriately for their class - there is no countervailing force that frightens them, why should they not put money in the purse? They have just rubbed into the dog dirt the noses of Unite - who had the sheer cheek to insist that the employers hold true to the agreements they had made with their workforce on pensions and did not actually reduce real wages... An unreasonable demand of red union barons?

We see today news reports on an upsurge of rickets. We see a quarter of NHS hospitals defined as being at 'high risk'. And we see Miliband engaged in a pathetic little skirmish on energy prices.

This multinational company says it is finished with Grangemouth, it will no longer produce there, the petrochemical plant is finished.

Very well, accept that, discuss no more, nationalise it, pay the compensation it's worth if it's scrap, and not a penny more, they've decided it's not a going concern, so don't pay for it as though it is! And, no bureaucracy, no whitehall planning, place it under workers control. Give the working people of Grangemouth a chance to breathe in their own country. Take away the whip and the sneer of Tory Britain, give them the factory, give them the jobs. Allow them to decide their strategy and work for their future.

Just a thought... As Tango would say...

Are you not embarrassed to use the phrase 'ruling class'?

I agree

This would be more apt.

[Lord Kangana]

[William the White]

Are you not embarrassed to use the phrase 'ruling class'?

No.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Are you not embarrassed to use the phrase 'ruling class'?

No.

I confess that I did know this really.

I find it a surprisingly vacuous way of looking at the world, for somebody of your intellect, but there you go.

Tell me, do the Government you describe here as being 'embarrassed' form part of this 'class'?

[William the White]

Are you not embarrassed to use the phrase 'ruling class'?

No.

I confess that I did know this really.

I find it a surprisingly vacuous way of looking at the world, for somebody of your intellect, but there you go.

Tell me, do the Government you describe here as being 'embarrassed' form part of this 'class'?

Indubitably. And most of the official opposition. They are just a little more shamefaced about it.

I guess at some point you'll get to the substantive issue in the lawyerly trap into which you hope to lure me?

Take your time, I'm in no hurry.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Ha, no traps planned here!

I admit I find it confusing that this thing called 'the ruling class' is at once confident and embarrassed on the same issue, but I suspect you mean it as a stirring rhetorical flourish and nothing more.

[William the White]

Did anyone else see When Tommy met Mo on BBC1 tonight? Tommy Robinson, former leader of the heroic English Defence League (how pleased I am they are there to defend us!) goes on a journey with Mohammed Ansar, Islamic moderate and activist that culminates with him leaving his creation and giving a joint press conference with the founder of the Quilliam foundation (would-be modernisers of Islam).

Everyone bending over backwards to be accommodating. The 'missing' voice was militant and unashamed Islam - presumably too problematic for the cosy story the producers wanted to tell.

The sharpest exchange was between the two moderate Islamists in which the commitment of the Quilliam foundation to a radical rejection of Q'ranic Law (in a literal interpretation at least) was truly impressive.

Compared to this the rest seemed phoney. It will be interesting to see if Robinson's journey continues. And if the EDL without him will become just another neo-Nazi irrelevance - much more likely than not is my guess.