Today I'm neither Angry nor Happy about....

[Worthy4England]

I wouldn't worry about it, Worthy... it's far away!

But, but...I'm notevenconvinceditexists.

[thebish]

I wouldn't worry about it, Worthy... it's far away!

But, but...I'm notevenconvinceditexists.

me neither....

[bobo the clown]

It depends on the hymn I always found.

RC's generally fit Mr Hopeful's description but give then a belter and there is gusto unbounded.

There was one sung in celebration of the "English Martyrs" called 'Faith of our Fathers" which would bring the house down. Also the sound of 200 little, high pitched sprogs screeching out "Bring Flowers of the Rarest, for Mary the Fairest; O'er Treetops and Hillsides and Valleys and Dales" ... all in untrammelled Bowtonese & so sounding more like "Bring flowurz u't rurist, fe Mury thu furest ..." with the final word, Dales, being pronounced with two syllables as in 'daey-yulls" was not held back at all.

[TANGODANCER]

It depends on the hymn I always found.

RC's generally fit Mr Hopeful's description but give then a belter and there is gusto unbounded.

There was one sung in celebration of the "English Martyrs" called 'Faith of our Fathers" which would bring the house down. Also the sound of 200 little, high pitched sprogs screeching out "Bring Flowers of the Rarest, for Mary the Fairest; O'er Treetops and Hillsides and Valleys and Dales" ... all in untrammelled Bowtonese & so sounding more like "Bring flowurz u't rurist, fe Mury thu furest ..." with the final word, Dales, being pronounced with two syllables as in 'daey-yulls" was not held back at all.

Faith of our Fathers and Adeste Fideles were always guaranteed to get even the non-singers belting them out. Regardless of religious or academic differences, those two, along with Jerusalem and Gaudeamus Igitur ( mea-culpa) have always been in my " Top of the Non-pops" hymn type songs.

[thebish]

It depends on the hymn I always found.

RC's generally fit Mr Hopeful's description but give then a belter and there is gusto unbounded.

There was one sung in celebration of the "English Martyrs" called 'Faith of our Fathers" which would bring the house down. Also the sound of 200 little, high pitched sprogs screeching out "Bring Flowers of the Rarest, for Mary the Fairest; O'er Treetops and Hillsides and Valleys and Dales" ... all in untrammelled Bowtonese & so sounding more like "Bring flowurz u't rurist, fe Mury thu furest ..." with the final word, Dales, being pronounced with two syllables as in 'daey-yulls" was not held back at all.

Faith of our Fathers and Adeste Fideles were always guaranteed to get even the non-singers belting them out. Regardless of religious or academic differences, those two, along with Jerusalem and Gaudeamus Igitur ( mea-culpa) have always been in my " Top of the Non-pops" hymn type songs.

and did those feet in ancient times walk upon england's pastures green?

errrr..... no!

[TANGODANCER]

It depends on the hymn I always found.

RC's generally fit Mr Hopeful's description but give then a belter and there is gusto unbounded.

There was one sung in celebration of the "English Martyrs" called 'Faith of our Fathers" which would bring the house down. Also the sound of 200 little, high pitched sprogs screeching out "Bring Flowers of the Rarest, for Mary the Fairest; O'er Treetops and Hillsides and Valleys and Dales" ... all in untrammelled Bowtonese & so sounding more like "Bring flowurz u't rurist, fe Mury thu furest ..." with the final word, Dales, being pronounced with two syllables as in 'daey-yulls" was not held back at all.

Faith of our Fathers and Adeste Fideles were always guaranteed to get even the non-singers belting them out. Regardless of religious or academic differences, those two, along with Jerusalem and Gaudeamus Igitur ( mea-culpa) have always been in my " Top of the Non-pops" hymn type songs.

and did those feet in ancient times walk upon england's pastures green?

errrr..... no!

But can you prove it? (And we've already done this)

[thebish]

presumably he came over here to hide a cup for lancelot to go and look for... some kind of elaborate across-the-centuries treasure hunt ruse!

[TANGODANCER]

presumably he came over here to hide a cup for lancelot to go and look for... some kind of elaborate across-the-centuries treasure hunt ruse!

He might also have paid a sort of missionary visit promoting Christianity? Where religion's concerned, life's just one big treasure hunt ain't it?

[thebish]

presumably he came over here to hide a cup for lancelot to go and look for... some kind of elaborate across-the-centuries treasure hunt ruse!

He might also have paid a sort of missionary visit promoting Christianity?

I doubt it... he was a good Jewish lad until the day he died...

[TANGODANCER]

presumably he came over here to hide a cup for lancelot to go and look for... some kind of elaborate across-the-centuries treasure hunt ruse!

He might also have paid a sort of missionary visit promoting Christianity?

I doubt it... he was a good Jewish lad until the day he died...

Ah, so Jesus Christ had nothing to do with Christianity, didn't promote his own teachings that Christianity is founded on then and just observed the teachings of the same good Jewish lads that had him put to death? Okay.

[Harry Genshaw]

^ eh? I thought the Romans did for him. Were they Jewish?

[thebish]

presumably he came over here to hide a cup for lancelot to go and look for... some kind of elaborate across-the-centuries treasure hunt ruse!

He might also have paid a sort of missionary visit promoting Christianity?

I doubt it... he was a good Jewish lad until the day he died...

Ah, so Jesus Christ had nothing to do with Christianity, didn't promote his own teachings that Christianity is founded on then and just observed the teachings of the same good Jewish lads that had him put to death? Okay.

in a way - you're right - he had nothing to do with christianity - setting up a new religion was not his bag...

however - I'm merely pointing out the obvious flaw in your argument. While he was alive he was a good Jew who attended synagogue... until quite a long time after his death, his early followers were seen as a sect within Judaism... it was not until ages after his death that anything recognisable as a new religion was in evidence..

so - in short - no - Jesus would not have come over to England promoting Christianity any more than he would have gone over to Germany to promote Mormonism.

[TANGODANCER]

in a way - you're right - he had nothing to do with christianity - setting up a new religion was not his bag...
however - I'm merely pointing out the obvious flaw in your argument. While he was alive he was a good Jew who attended synagogue... until quite a long time after his death, his early followers were seen as a sect within Judaism... it was not until ages after his death that anything recognisable as a new religion was in evidence..

so - in short - no - Jesus would not have come over to England promoting Christianity any more than he would have gone over to Germany to promote Mormonism.

All very interesting. Not sure where it goes or what you're proving? Christianity, the way of Christ, is a religion based on his teachings from the Old Testament is it not? The New Testament occurs about his life and death and afterwards does it not? Not a new religion, one that set out to convert others away from the many Roman gods they worshipped. Did Jesus not found his Church with Peter at its head to carry on such work? Is there any proof that his teachings prior to his death didn't involve travelling as far as England? ? Did Peter and the Disciples not carry on his work after his death in the name of Christianity? You have no proof (neither have I) as to whether he came to English shores or not. Like me, you are just expressiong an opinion, not stating a fact. I claim no more than that.

[TANGODANCER]

^ eh? I thought the Romans did for him. Were they Jewish?

The Roman govenor gave into Jewish wishes to keep the peace. It was the Jews who asked for the death of Jesus. The Romans just carried out the task.

[thebish]

I am simply saying (not sure how to say it more simply) - that Jesus was Jewish, raised within the Jewish faith and participated in the Jewish religion. he didn't set out to start a new religion - so he would not have been in England (as you suggested) on a mission to promote a religion that had not yet been invented.

[TANGODANCER]

I am simply saying (not sure how to say it more simply) - that Jesus was Jewish, raised within the Jewish faith and participated in the Jewish religion. he didn't set out to start a new religion - so he would not have been in England (as you suggested) on a mission to promote a religion that had not yet been invented.

Okay, I'll play: All I suggested was that I liked the hymn Jerusalem. That's it. You took the conversation to Biblical matters all on your own.

I have no idea if Jesus came to England or didn't and didn't suggest anything of the sort,(although even now there are those who think he did). If he did it would be to teach the Word of God, something he'd been doing since an early age. Chritianity is his story formed into a religion of that name around his life and teachings. God wasn't entirely unknown in the world, especially in Britain, before Jesus came along. Jesus "could" have visited England, whether he did or not I've no idea, and neither, my friend, have you.

[bobo the clown]

It is a cracking song though. Whatever the accuracy or otherwise.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I have no idea if Jesus came to England or didn't and didn't suggest anything of the sort,(although even now there are those who think he did).

Why do these people think this?

I know nothing of the competing evidence here other than to say it seems unlikely on the face of it, as that was a hell of distance to travel in those days.

[Worthy4England]

I have no idea if Jesus came to England or didn't and didn't suggest anything of the sort,(although even now there are those who think he did).

Why do these people think this?

I know nothing of the competing evidence here other than to say it seems unlikely on the face of it, as that was a hell of distance to travel in those days.

We're talking about someone who turned water into wine, walked on water, fed 5,000 people wish a few loaves and fishes, and rose from the dead. And you're seriously contending that the distance between Jerusalem and Basingstoke would present a problem?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Good point well made!