The Next Big Movement

[Lord Kangana]

The acceptance that mental illnesses aren't a sign of weakness but more of a reflection of the times (not sure what that last bit means but it sounds fancy), but yeah, basically the idea that people think it's ok to to poke fun at people being suicidal etc

According to what I've read, rates of depression increase in-line with things generally improving, as it has at its root a comparator to other people's "hapiness". So, it would seem, as long as we're "progressing" (and I believe progress to be cyclical not linear blah de blah) its in our best interests to take mental health more seriously. It is the reason, so they say, that whilst "hapiness indicators" (you and me both) in France are considered generally higher than in the UK, rates of diagnosed depressive illnesses are also higher.

Anyway, I think that in the future people will laugh at The Daily Mail canon of hate - climate change, green energy, greater and stronger links with both the rest of Europe (which in the galactic scheme of things is like railing against your own eyelashes) and the rest of the world etc etc etc ad infinitum.

Partly because in no particular order, you'd have to be completely f*cking mental to think that pulling liquid dead animals out of the ground is superior to using the vast natural (uncontrollable? theres a thought...) energy sources we have. And that wind turbines as they exist represent the apex of efficiency that we'll ever reach in harvesting the vast limitless supply of energy that the wind provides. Totally fruitcake loopy. Which brings us back to the first point. Mental DailyMailness will increase in direct correlation with people realising that burning dead animals and hating something 20 miles away is absurdly idiotic. Ah well.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Ancient Greece Pru? Hope it wasn't your schooldays!

When I was 13 I was molested (fondled while clothed, not sodomized) by one male teacher. It happened to many of us - usually once as we took care not to get caught alone again. We didn't think all that much about it, although we talked freely and made excuses for the man (13 year-old son lost in the war was one theory which I now believe to be highly improbable).

I'm pretty sure we would find sodomy in schools and the navy rather more recently than ancient Greece.

As in The History Boys scenario for example?

I haven't seen it - a similar idea but not quite so many people with differences - also we were younger.. We had only one bent adult (that we all knew about), though there could have been others. I later heard one teacher, whom I liked I(and it was hard to find them!), committed suicide amidst allegation of homosexuality, which then destroyed careers. I'm glad that acceptance of sexual orientation is one thing that has changed in the western world. Of course what happened to me was pedophilia and should never be acceptable. Did I ever go back and say something to the authorities? Was I a responsible citizen? No, I was in a new country with my own problems so I let another generation get caught as we had got caught. I'm not proud of that.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

Heard on radio 4 today (only half listening but it made me sit up) that while we, re all quibbling about whether climate change is man made/exists/etc etc Bangkok could well be under water by 2030

[Montreal Wanderer]

Heard on radio 4 today (only half listening but it made me sit up) that while we, re all quibbling about whether climate change is man made/exists/etc etc Bangkok could well be under water by 2030

This may also be true of parts of Manhattan I suppose. Still the Dutch have dealt with it for centuries so I suppose the Thais can do similar things.

[seanworth]

Heard on radio 4 today (only half listening but it made me sit up) that while we, re all quibbling about whether climate change is man made/exists/etc etc Bangkok could well be under water by 2030

Bangkok had been under water for nearly 3 months when I left. Also there are many other reasons for the sinking of Bangkok but I do get your point.

[LeverEnd]

Ancient Greece Pru? Hope it wasn't your schooldays!

When I was 13 I was molested (fondled while clothed, not sodomized) by one male teacher. It happened to many of us - usually once as we took care not to get caught alone again. We didn't think all that much about it, although we talked freely and made excuses for the man (13 year-old son lost in the war was one theory which I now believe to be highly improbable).

I'm pretty sure we would find sodomy in schools and the navy rather more recently than ancient Greece.

As in The History Boys scenario for example?

I haven't seen it - a similar idea but not quite so many people with differences - also we were younger.. We had only one bent adult (that we all knew about), though there could have been others. I later heard one teacher, whom I liked I(and it was hard to find them!), committed suicide amidst allegation of homosexuality, which then destroyed careers. I'm glad that acceptance of sexual orientation is one thing that has changed in the western world. Of course what happened to me was pedophilia and should never be acceptable. Did I ever go back and say something to the authorities? Was I a responsible citizen? No, I was in a new country with my own problems so I let another generation get caught as we had got caught. I'm not proud of that.

The History Boys featured what the teacher considered hamrless touching while being given a ride on his moped. Was treated as a joke by the lads who just laughed it off and accepted it because they liked and respected the teacher. He described it to another teacher when reported by a lollipop lady as 'more of a laying on of hands, a benediction'.

Bobo, I was at Bolton School (late 80s/90s) too and left with the old cherry intact! However there were certain changing room practices which teachers and we thought were a bit of a laugh in a rugger-bugger kid of way but would result in sackings and possibly prosecutions in the schools I've worked in this century!

Monty when I mentioned Ancient Greece I meant that it was a culturally accepted practice there, not that that sort of behaviour hadn't existed in certain British institutions.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Reading it in the Times and therefore I have no link, but, NhRP a New York group taking owners of chimps to court on behalf of the chimps to secure their long term rights. Feckin right on. And they're going to expand to other species (if any are fecking left by then).

[Annoyed Grunt]

Reading it in the Times and therefore I have no link, but, NhRP a New York group taking owners of chimps to court on behalf of the chimps to secure their long term rights. Feckin right on. And they're going to expand to other species (if any are fecking left by then).

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[Lost Leopard Spot]

Cheers AG

[Annoyed Grunt]

Cheers AG

De nada.....

[candyhan]

Sounds good！

[Annoyed Grunt]

Sounds good！

You've shit out....I only do iPhones.......

[Hoboh]

Morris to stop eating pies?

[William the White]

Reading it in the Times and therefore I have no link, but, NhRP a New York group taking owners of chimps to court on behalf of the chimps to secure their long term rights. Feckin right on. And they're going to expand to other species (if any are fecking left by then).

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I'm reading, in the london review of books about the republication of a history of animal trials and 'punishments' from medieval times onwards.

Particularly enjoying the story of defence lawyers' arguments on behalf of the 'clients'.

[Harry Genshaw]

There's been lots of references to the Palestinian situation during the tributes to Mandela this week. Although there has always been a healthy campaign to represent their plight - it's never caught the imagination of Pop stars, Politicians & media celebs in the same way the anti apartheid campaign of the 70s & 80s did.

Perhaps Mandela's death might highlight that there is still a great injustice and oppressed people in that part of the world, and we should be doing more to rectify it?

[Zulus Thousand of em]

They should sort out Zimbabwe first.

[TANGODANCER]

They should sort out Zimbabwe first.

The next big movement will be from the south. Zulus, thousands of em.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

There's been lots of references to the Palestinian situation during the tributes to Mandela this week. Although there has always been a healthy campaign to represent their plight - it's never caught the imagination of Pop stars, Politicians & media celebs in the same way the anti apartheid campaign of the 70s & 80s did.

It's because the issues are a lot more complex, no?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

They should sort out Zimbabwe first.

The next big movement will be from the south. Zulus, thousands of em.

Actually, that occurred back in the 1830's. A certain people split from the Zulu nation and marched back north to conquer the land to the north of the Limpopo. They became known as the Ndebele and Robert Mugabe is their descendant and legacy.

[Harry Genshaw]

There's been lots of references to the Palestinian situation during the tributes to Mandela this week. Although there has always been a healthy campaign to represent their plight - it's never caught the imagination of Pop stars, Politicians & media celebs in the same way the anti apartheid campaign of the 70s & 80s did.

It's because the issues are a lot more complex, no?

Oh undoubtedly, but there is a large group of people denied freedom of movement, access to housing, running water etc solely because of their ethnicity. Usually you couldn't move for pop stars wanting to jump on that bandwagon. I suspect the concern at alienating the American market, may be why many artists choose not to speak out