The Politics Thread

[Lost Leopard Spot]

is it Morris Dancing?

Oi.
Do not mention Morris Dancing in a derogatory manner...
It takes guts to get dressed up and look a right wally. It takes even bigger guts to then dance about whilst waving a couple of hankies.
Morris Dancers are hale, hearty, heroic, substantial, venerable, historic, culturally enhancing, beer-swilling, handsome, energetic, organic, fundamental, thrilling and entirely English. (You'd never find a Frenchman Morris Dancing).

who said anything derogatory??

You asked if Hoboh did it... that's derogatory. (to Moris Dancing )

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

[Prufrock]

Almost. There's only 73% there as that only adds up to 90% with presumably 10% being 'other' some of which will be minor parties who want to stay in the EU (like the Greens) and some being minor parties who want to quit (there were plenty little 'uns like that on my paper).

Is that^ some sort of 'combined result' for the different elections?

I'm most interested in the EU results, in which UKIP will presumably have done better. Even there, the single issue party, in elections based entirely to do with that 'issue', look like being a long way short of 50%, and a lot fewer votes than the combined totals of the parties committed to staying 'in'.

That's not to say everyone is delighted with how it's working, but that of even those who aren't, plenty want to reform it not leave it.

[Worthy4England]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

[Hoboh]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

Got plenty in Rotherham

[Prufrock]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

Got plenty in Rotherham

People who want to live like this should simply put their money and future where their mouth is and feck off to the Federal republic of Yorkshire and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

[Hoboh]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

Thats a bit rich, projected votes, hah bit like tooth fairies.
People had a chance to actually vote yesterday and of those that did a good portion opted to vote for an anti EU party, thats a fact, not twisting things because it did not go the way of Euro luvies
You are merely talking up a hypothetical 83% assuming they all vote anyway, a good proportion of them, youth, don't give a stuff because it ain't on facebook or twitter and won't vote!
Anyway keep it up, you will lamenting the loss of all the Scottish socialists if the vote no camp cannot deliver, provide evidence or convince people the union is good for them, just like the plebs from the EU.

[Hoboh]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

Got plenty in Rotherham

People who want to live like this should simply put their money and future where their mouth is and feck off to the Federal republic of Yorkshire and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

A spell in Paris certainly affected your brain, EU mind control?

[Worthy4England]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

Got plenty in Rotherham

And Essex - This is working really well for identifying concentrated pockets of not reets.

Same sort of places that people used to vote BNP - Basildon, Thurrock etc.

[Hoboh]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

Got plenty in Rotherham

And Essex - This is working really well for identifying concentrated pockets of not reets.

Same sort of places that people used to vote BNP - Basildon, Thurrock etc.

Aye in salford they just vote for bent MP's

[Prufrock]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

Thats a bit rich, projected votes, hah bit like tooth fairies.
People had a chance to actually vote yesterday and of those that did a good portion opted to vote for an anti EU party, thats a fact, not twisting things because it did not go the way of Euro luvies
You are merely talking up a hypothetical 83% assuming they all vote anyway, a good proportion of them, youth, don't give a stuff because it ain't on facebook or twitter and won't vote!
Anyway keep it up, you will lamenting the loss of all the Scottish socialists if the vote no camp cannot deliver, provide evidence or convince people the union is good for them, just like the plebs from the EU.

I think it's a projection of how the results of people who did actually vote will turn out (since the results aren't out yet), rather than a prediction for if 'everyone' voted.

The last polls I saw for the EU ones had:

UKIP - 27%
Labour - 26%
Tories - 22%
Greens - 10%
Lib Dems - 9%

That's 27% for leaving the EU, and 67% for staying with 6% unknown. Even if all the rest voted for 'out' parties, that's still 2 'in' voters for every 1 'out'.

You seem to be crowing as if there's a majority against the EU

[Hoboh]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

Thats a bit rich, projected votes, hah bit like tooth fairies.
People had a chance to actually vote yesterday and of those that did a good portion opted to vote for an anti EU party, thats a fact, not twisting things because it did not go the way of Euro luvies
You are merely talking up a hypothetical 83% assuming they all vote anyway, a good proportion of them, youth, don't give a stuff because it ain't on facebook or twitter and won't vote!
Anyway keep it up, you will lamenting the loss of all the Scottish socialists if the vote no camp cannot deliver, provide evidence or convince people the union is good for them, just like the plebs from the EU.

I think it's a projection of how the results of people who did actually vote will turn out (since the results aren't out yet), rather than a prediction for if 'everyone' voted.

The last polls I saw for the EU ones had:

UKIP - 27%
Labour - 26%
Tories - 22%
Greens - 10%
Lib Dems - 9%

That's 27% for leaving the EU, and 67% for staying with 6% unknown. Even if all the rest voted for 'out' parties, that's still 2 'in' voters for every 1 'out'.

You seem to be crowing as if there's a majority against the EU

You seem to be whimpering that everyone is really in favour of the EU but cannot be arsed voting

Anyway a little closer to home

Although it is the first local election in which Bolton UKIP has fielded any candidates — they have only previously contested Horwich by-elections — they took a seat off both Labour and the Conservatives - and UKIP finished second in 13 seats.

The loss of Little Lever and veteran councillor Maureen Connell to UKIP was a big blow for the Labour leadership.

And Labour narrowly escaped defeat in Kearsley — where the difference between winner Derek Burrows for Labour and Mark Cunningham for UKIP was just 43 votes.

Not bad for new kids on the block, the red rosseted pigs had better start delivering some service.
Worried Yasmin? worried enough to actually find those that vote for you, or are you still overseas defending the rights of woman in Pakistan?

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

Thats a bit rich, projected votes, hah bit like tooth fairies.
People had a chance to actually vote yesterday and of those that did a good portion opted to vote for an anti EU party, thats a fact, not twisting things because it did not go the way of Euro luvies
You are merely talking up a hypothetical 83% assuming they all vote anyway, a good proportion of them, youth, don't give a stuff because it ain't on facebook or twitter and won't vote!
Anyway keep it up, you will lamenting the loss of all the Scottish socialists if the vote no camp cannot deliver, provide evidence or convince people the union is good for them, just like the plebs from the EU.

Well it is only projected because not all council seats were up.

The actual share, not projected is:
Labour 32%
Conservatives 28%
Lib Dems 16%
UKIP 15%
Green 6%
Other 3%

So of those who voted 15% voted UKIP. Good but hardly suggestive of the majority being behind the swivel eyed loons is it?

[Prufrock]

You seem to be whimpering that everyone is really in favour of the EU but cannot be arsed voting

I don't know how many other ways to put this. I'm talking about the projected results for the people who actually voted. I'm not on about the people who can't be arsed voting, I'm on about the people who were arsed, and did vote, and voted for a party who policy is to stay within the EU 2 times for every 1 time they voted for a party who want to leave.

I'm saying the majority of people are in favour of the EU and did vote.

You seem to think that 27% of people agree with you means a majority agree with you.

[Hoboh]

You seem to be whimpering that everyone is really in favour of the EU but cannot be arsed voting

I don't know how many other ways to put this. I'm talking about the projected results for the people who actually voted. I'm not on about the people who can't be arsed voting, I'm on about the people who were arsed, and did vote, and voted for a party who policy is to stay within the EU 2 times for every 1 time they voted for a party who want to leave.

I'm saying the majority of people are in favour of the EU and did vote.

You seem to think that 27% of people agree with you means a majority agree with you.

And you seem to assume that the remaining people who voted tory are all pro EU
Same for labour voters, I'll concede the lib dems
Admit it you thought that UKIP support was really non existant and like the 3 main parties you've had a bit of a shock

[thebish]

no - he didn't say that - he said that they voted for parties whose stated current policy is to stay in the EU.

seems pretty clear to me...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I voted for a party that wants to maintain Morris Dancers.
I believe that I'm in the majority.
In fact 99.7% of parties agree with the statement "No u-turn on Morris Dancers".
The only ones who want to ban it are Respect, and they can f*ck off.

[bwfcdan94]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

What about the other 10% did they vote for irrelevant parties like the Green party

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I'm not on about minority turnout. I'm on about minority of the votes cast. I don't know about the individual views of each potential MEP, but when they are announced, the MEPs who are members of parties who favour staying in the EU will outnumber those who favour leaving. I don't need to play the numbers. That's the will of the people.

The rest of that^ is just meaningless epithets. No-one is telling you how to think, no-one is telling you who to be like. You have plenty in common with Europeans. As for the numbers game and picking and choosing. It's a bit rich to accuse me of that and then completely discount London!

You seem to think you speak for the 'will of the people' but yet again the results show that's nonsense.

More people are pissed off with the EU, certainly. More may want to leave it. They're still a minority, and still by some way.

Where are all these people then? where are the votes of this massive majority? Not there, maybe they are just apathetic and don't hold the EU so dear?


Face it the establishment just got a good kick in the nuts and there is more to come, the liberal love all policies from the 60's 70's and 80's are slowly unrapping.

Hoboh, have you seen the percentage share of the vote?

Labour: 31%
Conservative: 29%
UKIP: 17%
Lib Dem: 13%

That is the projected share national share of the vote based on last nights results.

I think what PRU is saying is that 83% of voters didn't vote UKIP. 83% of voters voted for parties that want to stay in the EU. Is 83% not a massive majority?

Yet you are claiming the exact opposite, that a massive majority are voting for UKIP.

I'm confused.....

What about the other 10% did they vote for irrelevant parties like the Green party

Oi you, f*ck off.

[bwfcdan94]

They didn't get much change in Salford. Although they displaced the Tory's to third in around 50% of the seats.

Got plenty in Rotherham

And Essex - This is working really well for identifying concentrated pockets of not reets.

Same sort of places that people used to vote BNP - Basildon, Thurrock etc.

Aye in salford they just vote for bent MP's

What about Burnley , Bradford and Oldham