Today I'm angry about.....

[LeverEnd]

Schools, every last one of then useless, unable to cope with life in the real world. Received a phone call today to explain that I had to come into school (which I left nearly a year ago) to collect my A level certificates, I explained that I had been into school on four separate occasion since leaving only to be told "they couldn't find my certificates", I was then reminded that if I didn't pick them up by then end of the school term that they would be binned, this thoroughly pissed my off as I pointed out to the women that I am now working 45 hours a week and leave for work at 7 every morning and don't get home till 7, she said sorry reception is only open from 9:30am - midday. Now getting seriously pissed off I asked what alternative I had she said it would either cost me £6 to have them sent to me, so I said ok I could take half a days holiday to pick them up, she then left me on hold for 20 minutes before telling me she couldn't find them. feck**g school every single one of them full of idiot unable to deal with he really world, all filled with employees with 100s of qualifications but absolutely no experience of the real world. Given that I now work full time (in the real world) I know realise just the complete and utter ineptness of our schools, now wonder half the kids in this country don't get 5 GCSE's. Best of all the are the same teachers who then moan about what an idiot Michael Gove is. To sum it up pot, kettle black. BTWE the receptionist I spoke to on the phone had been a teacher at the school for many years before, so thus such and outburst on teachers and just generally anybody lazy and simple enough to work in schools. Thank god those of you on here who seem to work in schools seem to have some concept of the real world.

Awwwwww, thanks Dan!

[thebish]

dan... simple question..

why is working in an accounts office any more "real world" than working in a school?

[bwfcdan94]

she said it would either cost me £6 to have them sent to me, so I said ok I could take half a days holiday to pick them up

So, Mr Qualified Accountant. Let's put this in terms you might understand. It costs Sally six beans to have some documents posted to her which allows her to carry on about her business and lifestyle. However, she also has an option of spending four hours away from work, for which she's paid eight beans per hour, to go and retrieve the documents, which, in turn, will also mean that she surrenders a period of her allocated leisure time. She selects the second option. Sally is as thick as a pale of shit. Discuss.

Who's Sally ?

Is she in the real World ?
Not sure

Is Dan in the real World ?
I would like to think so

Can I ensure that, whatever World he's in isn't the one I'm in ?
Yes either retire or become a teacher

How can anyone live on 8 beans an hour ?

depends how big the beans in question are and if they are transferable into other assets

All very good questions Bobo. Thank for you for the advice Bruce, my real problem is that they claim to have the certificates then actually decide they don't, with the exception of football what would I use such said recreation time for?

[bwfcdan94]

Sigh. Do I bother? Okay then...

What's stupid about your post is yes, the school might not have been very helpful/organised in getting your certificates to you but you then use that one incident to proclaim that:

"Schools, every last one of them are useless unable to cope with life in the real world"

"Given that I now work full time (in the real world) I know realise just the complete and utter ineptness of our schools"

that is a fact

"school every single one of them full of idiot unable to deal with he really world, all filled with employees with 100s of qualifications but absolutely no experience of the real world."

"Best of all the are the same teachers who then moan about what an idiot Michael Gove is. To sum it up pot, kettle black."

"so thus such and outburst on teachers and just generally anybody lazy and simple enough to work in schools."

Teachers and other people that work in schools are generally not idiots, simple or lazy. Teachers do a hell of a lot of work and have to pass qualifictaions in order to teach (that you wouldn't pass as spelling and grammar are considered important) A vast amount of teachers come into teaching later on in life with plenty of experience of the real world.

To sum it up Dan, your post is rude, very generalisitic, completely inaccurate and laden with poor spelling and grammar. That's why its stupid.

I will agree with you on the most part however I ask why have I got such poor spelling and grammar mistakes, I passed my English GCSE(C), but I also ask why are schools failing approximately half of the pupils who pass through them I.E approximately half of the students don't obtain 5 GCSE's A* - C, which according to the government is the minimum students must get out of school to have a realistic opportunity of finding work. This question is especially important given how much easier exams are now compared to what they used to be, coursework(or controlled assessment as they now call it) and multiple choice questions are just as frequent as actual written exams. Please let me make this very clear when I say this is an attack on teaching as a profession not you personally and my profession (accountancy) has had more than it's fair share of attacks from the media and the general public.

[bwfcdan94]

dan... simple question..

why is working in an accounts office any more "real world" than working in a school?

Personally I would say that any job whereby you spent almost half of any year not at work (if I include weekends in that figure) is not a proper occupation.

[Gooner Girl]

^ Dan, seriously, be quiet and stop digging. You're really not making this any better.

[thebish]

it is perfectly reasonable to be angry at a school that loses your certificates

- but (here's the nub) - it is not reasonable or rational to conclude from that annoying circumstance that every single school is useless and that teaching is not a "proper occupation" and somehow not part of the "real world" like accounting is...

[Gary the Enfield]

Dan. Well done.

You've spent 5 minutes in the 'World of Work' and now you're an expert on real life. If the school has lost them then apply to the regulatory body that issues them (is it still the JMB?) and ask for replacements.

To tar the whole education system as not being in touch with the real world is rank folly. You seem to love blaming everyone else for your misfortunes. Shit happens Dan, get over it. You can't go through life with this persecution complex because pretty soon any sympathy people may initially have will wear off. You aren't the only one who has suffered personal tragedy or been the victim of bureaucratic incompetence and it isn't always purposeful.

Before you start slating the whole profession take a minute to think about how you got your qualifications. Did the 'incompetent idiots' not teach you anything? How then do you find yourself in a job? When the incompetent idiot walked into your classroom did they spend most of it planning the lesson only to teach you for the last 10 minutes? Or do you think they spent time in the evenings and weekends planning what they were going to try and drill into ungrateful misery addicts like you?

To say they have six months of the year is a fecking insult. My wife has been a teacher for 27 years and even now, as a Deputy Head, spends most evenings working. She gets into work at 7:45 every morning and often works beyond 10:00 in the evening to keep the school, the administration and the teaching staff working efficiently.

They also can't take their holidays when they want. Costs rise by at least 30% percent during holiday times.

Furthermore schools are run on budgets and even the smaller schools can be multi-million pound operations. Financial strictures are a daily problem which all schools have to operate under. How is that not a real world problem?

All this is conducted in an environment of hostility and attack from parents, governors, the local education body, the general public and so on.

And all this is done so that you, the next generation, can take this society forward and prosper.

You're welcome.

[jaffka]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

[Gary the Enfield]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

Like my wife and many others in the 'Profession'. Your point is?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

My wife's a head teacher. That's the subject of this morning's rage. Why the f*ck didn't she tell me she had all this spare time????

[jaffka]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

Like my wife and many others in the 'Profession'. Your point is?

What else do they know apart from education?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

Like my wife and many others in the 'Profession'. Your point is?

What else do they know apart from education?

Is pushing numbers around a spreadsheet any more real world than teaching, driving a tractor being a nurse? Dan is talking out of his arse, which is fine, we all do it. It's just Dan seems to do it with worrying regularity and offending folk to boot.

[BWFC_Insane]

To be fair Dan has half a point here. I used to work with schools in a previous role and it is fair to say that often they sit far outside the realities that other organisations face. Not to say they don't have their own issues, and certainly not to tar teachers in any way.

I do think that teachers who have only ever taught are not necessarily a good thing in the same way as politicians who have only ever been in politics might be considered less credible nowadays....

To use an administrative example though isn't exactly helping the point especially when it concerns, delivery or collection of something. Compare it to trying to get a parcel out of one of those delivery firms when they've called and you weren't in.......

[Gary the Enfield]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

Like my wife and many others in the 'Profession'. Your point is?

What else do they know apart from education?

Nothing. Every day I arrive at the school to carry my wife, bodily, from her sealed chamber with a blanket over her to conceal her from the harmful rays of the sun.

I place her in a specially constructed recess in the boot of the car where she is bathed in soothing colours and new world music is piped in to soothe her troubled breathing. Once home I carry her from the car to our hermetically sealed abode where she remains, in stasis whilst I relate the days events, most of which she is unable to grasp the concept of. ''Tell me again'' she whispers, awestruck, ''what is this 'social media'? What is ''the Arab Spring?'' I soothe her with cooling balms and unctions until I reverse the procedure the following day.

She's fragile and unworldly you see.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

Like my wife and many others in the 'Profession'. Your point is?

What else do they know apart from education?

I'm sure Gary can speak for his half, but my other half can cook, drive, use a computer, is adept at HR (as part of her job), runs a budget of about a million quid, employs people (and we're not talking teachers here, but teaching assistants, gardeners, cleaners, etc etc), keeps the peace between the warring factions of the village - some of which blood feuds go back to Norman times, and is basically at the heart of the community (you want to see the pile of passport applications she deals with, at no cost, every single week). In short she does everything Boris Johnson and all his staff do: she basically runs a small country. That and the education bit as well of course. Oh, the babysitting and the after school clubs that most parents seem to think run themselves, and the allotments, and the visits to far away exotic places like London (but that's just a jolly of course).

[jaffka]

Maybe he means those in education, who have always worked in education from leaving education.

Like my wife and many others in the 'Profession'. Your point is?

What else do they know apart from education?

Nothing. Every day I arrive at the school to carry my wife, bodily, from her sealed chamber with a blanket over her to conceal her from the harmful rays of the sun.

I place her in a specially constructed recess in the boot of the car where she is bathed in soothing colours and new world music is piped in to soothe her troubled breathing. Once home I carry her from the car to our hermetically sealed abode where she remains, in stasis whilst I relate the days events, most of which she is unable to grasp the concept of. ''Tell me again'' she whispers, awestruck, ''what is this 'social media'? What is ''the Arab Spring?'' I soothe her with cooling balms and unctions until I reverse the procedure the following day.

She's fragile and unworldly you see.

What a woman, she certainly makes some sacrifice.

What a great guy you are supporting her through all of this.

Anyway back in the real world...

[Hoboh]

Sigh. Do I bother? Okay then...

What's stupid about your post is yes, the school might not have been very helpful/organised in getting your certificates to you but you then use that one incident to proclaim that:

"Schools, every last one of them are useless unable to cope with life in the real world"

"Given that I now work full time (in the real world) I know realise just the complete and utter ineptness of our schools"

"school every single one of them full of idiot unable to deal with he really world, all filled with employees with 100s of qualifications but absolutely no experience of the real world."

"Best of all the are the same teachers who then moan about what an idiot Michael Gove is. To sum it up pot, kettle black."

"so thus such and outburst on teachers and just generally anybody lazy and simple enough to work in schools."

Teachers and other people that work in schools are generally not idiots, simple or lazy. Teachers do a hell of a lot of work and have to pass qualifictaions in order to teach (that you wouldn't pass as spelling and grammar are considered important) A vast amount of teachers come into teaching later on in life with plenty of experience of the real world.

To sum it up Dan, your post is rude, very generalisitic, completely inaccurate and laden with poor spelling and grammar. That's why its stupid.

I'm backing dan on this one.
For every good kid turned out by the schools there's a dickhead.
Teachers allowed standards to drop through the 70's and 80's whilst busy striking for their pensions and pay alongside allowing them to be used as political tools by the socialists, instead of fighting for standards to be maintained.
It was the liberal inflitration of the education system, including a lot of support from teachers, that destroyed discipline in schools now look who's moaning.
Dan tell the feckers find them or you will write to ofsted, mention of that name usually puts the fear of God up them.

[jaffka]

Is it fair to say that those defending teachers here have some close relative working in education?

[thebish]

I'm backing dan on this one.

I'm sure everyone will now be forced to re-think their initial assessment in the light of your backing!