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Re: Oscar Pistorius
I don't think he will be found Not guilty.
But he'll be bailed while an appeal is arranged & he'll be free for another year yet.
But he'll be bailed while an appeal is arranged & he'll be free for another year yet.
Not advocating mass-murder as an entirely positive experience, of course, but it had its moments.
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He will get off murder. But not manslaughter or whatever the equivalent is there.LeverEnd wrote:Unbelieveable. Is this type of trial just for people with lots of money for a defence team? I think BWFCI could be right, he'll get off.
IMO he will just buy his way out of it effectively, OJ style.
No way the judge will buy that he didn't realise shooting through a door would kill someone or he wasn't responsible for his actions. Also self defence appears to be a non starter.
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I have lost interest in the details tbh, I just felt from the evidence presented early that he was guilty of a 'heat of the moment' murder and would be convicted accordingly. I certainly hope he doesn't get off scot-free. Like you say, shooting blindly through a door into a small room containing a person goes way beyond self-defence to any sane person.BWFC_Insane wrote:He will get off murder. But not manslaughter or whatever the equivalent is there.LeverEnd wrote:Unbelieveable. Is this type of trial just for people with lots of money for a defence team? I think BWFCI could be right, he'll get off.
IMO he will just buy his way out of it effectively, OJ style.
No way the judge will buy that he didn't realise shooting through a door would kill someone or he wasn't responsible for his actions. Also self defence appears to be a non starter.
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I dunno; it wouldn't fly here, but from anecdotal evidence I'm not sure that's the case in Sit Ifrica.
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In Texas you can shoot anyone anywhere on your property after sunset - even German tourists coming to ask directions. SA may be closer to Texas than the UK in such matters.Prufrock wrote:I dunno; it wouldn't fly here, but from anecdotal evidence I'm not sure that's the case in Sit Ifrica.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius
The decision to rescind the law which allowed the good folk of Chester to kill with bow & arrow any Welshman found inside the City Walls after dusk still rankles with me.
So short sighted.
So short sighted.
Not advocating mass-murder as an entirely positive experience, of course, but it had its moments.
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From the little I've heard from a South African legal expert on the radio, there is little chance his defence will fly there either......Prufrock wrote:I dunno; it wouldn't fly here, but from anecdotal evidence I'm not sure that's the case in Sit Ifrica.
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Should be the law everywhere, I do like the bit about GermansMontreal Wanderer wrote:In Texas you can shoot anyone anywhere on your property after sunset - even German tourists coming to ask directions. SA may be closer to Texas than the UK in such matters.Prufrock wrote:I dunno; it wouldn't fly here, but from anecdotal evidence I'm not sure that's the case in Sit Ifrica.
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It is quite plain to me, that the judge Thokozile Masipa, by allowing that Nel was correct in his interpretation of the thirty day mental assessment period, has already concluded that he is guilty of something, and she is already lining her ducks up. I think she is going to plump for murder rather than culpable homicide, and I'm basing that on the time gaps between the prosecution and defence deadlines for written evidence, which is a measly four days. The last time she was so miserly with the gaps was in the Mashamba case, another murder trial, and another one where a man killed a woman by gunshot.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
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Aren't deadlines for written submissions agreed with each team in chambers? I thought it was pretty much a "when can you do it for" situation before ruling?Lost Leopard Spot wrote:It is quite plain to me, that the judge Thokozile Masipa, by allowing that Nel was correct in his interpretation of the thirty day mental assessment period, has already concluded that he is guilty of something, and she is already lining her ducks up. I think she is going to plump for murder rather than culpable homicide, and I'm basing that on the time gaps between the prosecution and defence deadlines for written evidence, which is a measly four days. The last time she was so miserly with the gaps was in the Mashamba case, another murder trial, and another one where a man killed a woman by gunshot.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
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Yep, (but) with the judge (ultimately) deciding, and usually the defence wants at least a week beyond the prosecution's submission. I've no idea what Roux thinks or said - maybe he's happy with four days - but I doubt that was his choice.BWFC_Insane wrote:Aren't deadlines for written submissions agreed with each team in chambers? I thought it was pretty much a "when can you do it for" situation before ruling?Lost Leopard Spot wrote:It is quite plain to me, that the judge Thokozile Masipa, by allowing that Nel was correct in his interpretation of the thirty day mental assessment period, has already concluded that he is guilty of something, and she is already lining her ducks up. I think she is going to plump for murder rather than culpable homicide, and I'm basing that on the time gaps between the prosecution and defence deadlines for written evidence, which is a measly four days. The last time she was so miserly with the gaps was in the Mashamba case, another murder trial, and another one where a man killed a woman by gunshot.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
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Interesting. Mind, he will appeal and spend another year or two a free man. Probably win the appeal as they've already laid out the grounds for one with the moaning about TV coverage putting off defence witnesses.....Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Yep, (but) with the judge (ultimately) deciding, and usually the defence wants at least a week beyond the prosecution's submission. I've no idea what Roux thinks or said - maybe he's happy with four days - but I doubt that was his choice.BWFC_Insane wrote:Aren't deadlines for written submissions agreed with each team in chambers? I thought it was pretty much a "when can you do it for" situation before ruling?Lost Leopard Spot wrote:It is quite plain to me, that the judge Thokozile Masipa, by allowing that Nel was correct in his interpretation of the thirty day mental assessment period, has already concluded that he is guilty of something, and she is already lining her ducks up. I think she is going to plump for murder rather than culpable homicide, and I'm basing that on the time gaps between the prosecution and defence deadlines for written evidence, which is a measly four days. The last time she was so miserly with the gaps was in the Mashamba case, another murder trial, and another one where a man killed a woman by gunshot.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
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I think your right. I also think that whilst on the appeal trail he may well go on the run (so to speak), slip over the border and bugger off to somewhere like... (I don't know, but somewhere).BWFC_Insane wrote:Interesting. Mind, he will appeal and spend another year or two a free man. Probably win the appeal as they've already laid out the grounds for one with the moaning about TV coverage putting off defence witnesses.....Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Yep, (but) with the judge (ultimately) deciding, and usually the defence wants at least a week beyond the prosecution's submission. I've no idea what Roux thinks or said - maybe he's happy with four days - but I doubt that was his choice.BWFC_Insane wrote:Aren't deadlines for written submissions agreed with each team in chambers? I thought it was pretty much a "when can you do it for" situation before ruling?Lost Leopard Spot wrote:It is quite plain to me, that the judge Thokozile Masipa, by allowing that Nel was correct in his interpretation of the thirty day mental assessment period, has already concluded that he is guilty of something, and she is already lining her ducks up. I think she is going to plump for murder rather than culpable homicide, and I'm basing that on the time gaps between the prosecution and defence deadlines for written evidence, which is a measly four days. The last time she was so miserly with the gaps was in the Mashamba case, another murder trial, and another one where a man killed a woman by gunshot.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
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It might settle the debate at least of whether he can run.Lost Leopard Spot wrote:I think your right. I also think that whilst on the appeal trail he may well go on the run (so to speak), slip over the border and bugger off to somewhere like... (I don't know, but somewhere).BWFC_Insane wrote:Interesting. Mind, he will appeal and spend another year or two a free man. Probably win the appeal as they've already laid out the grounds for one with the moaning about TV coverage putting off defence witnesses.....Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Yep, (but) with the judge (ultimately) deciding, and usually the defence wants at least a week beyond the prosecution's submission. I've no idea what Roux thinks or said - maybe he's happy with four days - but I doubt that was his choice.BWFC_Insane wrote:Aren't deadlines for written submissions agreed with each team in chambers? I thought it was pretty much a "when can you do it for" situation before ruling?Lost Leopard Spot wrote:It is quite plain to me, that the judge Thokozile Masipa, by allowing that Nel was correct in his interpretation of the thirty day mental assessment period, has already concluded that he is guilty of something, and she is already lining her ducks up. I think she is going to plump for murder rather than culpable homicide, and I'm basing that on the time gaps between the prosecution and defence deadlines for written evidence, which is a measly four days. The last time she was so miserly with the gaps was in the Mashamba case, another murder trial, and another one where a man killed a woman by gunshot.
Indeed she is noted for her willingness to convict, and for her penchant to hand out maximum sentences, especially where the crime is of the specie of men committing violent crime against women.
She's no softie, and she has a reputation to uphold.
There is some talk that if found guilty of possession of illegal ammuntion (which seems an open and shut case) that he would have to go to prison immediately (if sentenced as such) for that irrespective of appeal. Which would be nice.
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Ah. I'd forgotten about the other charges - he's banjaxed anyway, coz as you say, I really really really can't see him getting off those charges.
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Re: Oscar Pistorius
I think his bank balance is diminishing rapidly (he's either sold or trying to flog his house to pay his legal fees) and this will affect his ability to continue bank rolling the top legal teams and be able to scarper abroad.
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His family are supposedly loaded.Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:I think his bank balance is diminishing rapidly (he's either sold or trying to flog his house to pay his legal fees) and this will affect his ability to continue bank rolling the top legal teams and be able to scarper abroad.
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They'd better be if they're in for a years long appeals process.BWFC_Insane wrote:His family are supposedly loaded.Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:I think his bank balance is diminishing rapidly (he's either sold or trying to flog his house to pay his legal fees) and this will affect his ability to continue bank rolling the top legal teams and be able to scarper abroad.
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Might be loaded now, this process will bleed them dry.
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Sorry... couldn't resist.BWFC_Insane wrote:
His family are supposedly locked & loaded.
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