The Politics Thread

[TANGODANCER]

Of all the views on the religious aspect, Pru hammered a nail when he said if it is about land, it's about specific land and not just any land. If the Jewish nation were offered Scotland, Ireland or the Maldives if they gave up the Holy Land, my money says they'd flatly refuse them all. "This land, is mine, God gave this land to me" The words to the Exodus theme say it all. It's a four thousand year old covenant of faith.

I looked for a view that wasn't just my opinion and came up with this: This explains it very clearly. A Jewish viewpoint written by Jews.

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jso ... lejew.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Israel apart from being the land that contains all the locations that Christians, Jews and some Muslims hold dear in their religions, is the promised land; the Jewish homeland, the place where Christ was born, lived and died. The reason they want to expand the borders is so that the Jewish nation can gather under one roof (idealistically) and even those who live elsewhere can call it their spiritual home. Political aspects, power aspects and whatever else, without religion the whole Jewish nation might well up tents to outer Mongolia.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I also feel it may be a mistake to define Judaism purely as a religion - it seems broader than that.

So long as it is made clear as to which Jewish you refer to, it isn't.
For example it is quite plain that Arab and Muslim can be easily separated, whilst Jew and Jewish is much more intertwined. There are very few Jews who aren't Jewish and even fewer non-Jews who are Jewish.

Er...Yes...I think so. A Jew can be an atheist (indeed a number of my friends are) and will still be a Jew. I don't think a Christian or Muslim can be an atheist. Ethnicity is part of Judaism which it is not in other major religions. The Holocaust was not religious discrimination, it was racism.

I agree, totally.

[Prufrock]

The Boris Roadshow is heading back to Westminster.

[Hoboh]

We all going to jump up and down about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ath-threat" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Surely war crimes

[William the White]

We all going to jump up and down about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ath-threat" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Surely war crimes

Just seen this on Newsnight.

Action needed urgently.

We all have MPs - email them!

http://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/c ... g-your-mp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Lord Kangana]

I have a feeling we might want to hold our hands up on this one, again.

[William the White]

I have a feeling we might want to hold our hands up on this one, again.

No, doubt it, Tony Blair will tell us the truth once again and we'll be entirely free of responsibility...

[TANGODANCER]

We all going to jump up and down about this?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ath-threat" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Surely war crimes

Just seen this on Newsnight.

Action needed urgently.

We all have MPs - email them!

http://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/c ... g-your-mp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Done.

[Hoboh]

e-mailed Yasmin, cannot wait for her reply!

[clapton is god]

Wise and passionate words on the Gaza situation:

[Lord Kangana]

Who is that?

[clapton is god]

^ Some member of the Irish parliament, but he talks eminent sense, in my opinion.

[Lord Kangana]

He does.

[Bruce Rioja]

Wow!

[William the White]

^ Some member of the Irish parliament, but he talks eminent sense, in my opinion.

He's also the only gay and out MP in the Irish Parliament.

[Lord Kangana]

And who is he??!!

[William the White]

And who is he??!!

His name is David Norris. Is this what you meant?


http://www.senatordavidnorris.ie/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Hasn't kept that one going - but wiki is good...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Norris_(politician" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ainst-isis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Oh Hum, although I agree with this I just wonder how it sits with the liberals, kill folk to save folk, all life is sacred.

[BWFC_Insane]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ainst-isis

Oh Hum, although I agree with this I just wonder how it sits with the liberals, kill folk to save folk, all life is sacred.

Well there are thousands upon thousands of innocent people trapped on a mountain. And aggresors below who want to kill them. So I think force if directed properly is justified. But thankfully Obama isn't Hoboh and is talking about appropriate targeted force rather than nuking millions of innocent people to death to get rid of a few not-rights.

So I'm fairly content with the approach outlined.

[Hoboh]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/a ... ainst-isis

Oh Hum, although I agree with this I just wonder how it sits with the liberals, kill folk to save folk, all life is sacred.

Well there are thousands upon thousands of innocent people trapped on a mountain. And aggresors below who want to kill them. So I think force if directed properly is justified. But thankfully Obama isn't Hoboh and is talking about appropriate targeted force rather than nuking millions of innocent people to death to get rid of a few not-rights.

So I'm fairly content with the approach outlined.

So you'd kill to protect?
Now, why should your opinion on what is justifiable be any more valid than hoboh's approach (leaving the nuke option on one side because its not really a starter).