Freedman out!

[SmokinFrazier]

Why are you so insistant on blaming DF for all thats gone on??? I don't know the facts but from the outside it looks as though, he wasnt given the cash to bring in who he really wanted to in the summer, potentially due to being unable to off-load some of the "High-earners".

I don't know if that's quite true. Freedman wanted Baptiste and got him. He wanted Tierney and got him too We chased Beckford for ages and got him. We got Spearing and Hall, who were two clear targets from the start. Moritz was another key target and we got him in the end. All of our business was done early in the transfer window and the only player we wanted but didn't get was Dawson, who was unrealistic and Freedman knew it would always be a long shot.

Freedman got who he wanted, bar Dawson. Dawson was obviously a very good player last year but when you only miss out on one target, who you knew beforehand would be hard to get, then it can hardly be called an unsuccessful window.

I don't think you or anyone else on here can possibly know if that was the case or not.

Who else did he target? What other positions did we try to strengthen?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Who else did he target? What other positions did we try to strengthen?

He didn't say. But I'm sure he said, after we signed the full-backs and kids, that he wanted four more. Was it at the forum?

[StaffsTrotter]

Sensing in the great 'is it the players, is it the manager' debate that other than BL3 and SF people are leaning more now to the its the players answer. At the same time people think everyone should accept the new reality.

In regard to the latter I don't think we should at all. Of course we have to deal with it as we are where we are. But at the same time we were relegated with a team who only just went down, in reasonable end of season form. I never expected to hammer every team in sight but I expected and expect us to be competitive and in the mix at the upper end of the table. Both Coyle and Freeman have had latitude to spend/ change players - isn't it a point that if we have all these high earners on our books, it says something about our competitiveness in the transfer market.

I've said a number of time that IMO the players are good enough and we do have a reasonable sized squad for this division. To me its therefore a question of underperfomance rather than we have found an appropriate new level.

[SmokinFrazier]

Who else did he target? What other positions did we try to strengthen?

He didn't say. But I'm sure he said, after we signed the full-backs and kids, that he wanted four more. Was it at the forum?

I'm not sure, mate, I thought Freedman made a few comments before the start of the season that after Spearing (I think), he was happy with the squad and wouldn't be bringing anyone else in unless Dawson became available. I know Nixon confirmed that Freedman was only after Dawson, though it was a long shot.

[thebish]

Who else did he target? What other positions did we try to strengthen?

He didn't say. But I'm sure he said, after we signed the full-backs and kids, that he wanted four more. Was it at the forum?

we got 4 more, didn't we - possibly more - i've lost track of who came when! but after the full backs and the kids we have brought in Moritz, Danns, Feeney and McNaughty...

[thebish]

according to dougie - he doesn't really WANT loads of cash - he's not that kind of manager...

“Bolton fans will get to know me and I’m not someone who likes to go out there as a big spender.

“I might be able to eventually but right now I am not that kind of manager.

“I like to develop players or find those who are maybe not having their own way at their club but fit into a certain system.

“We have got a player on loan from Millwall that pretty much no-one has heard of – but I have. I have known Liam for years.

“I know what he can bring to the football club and though he’ll have dips in form, he does want to show people what he has got. That desire is what I want.”

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Well that's all well and good, but where are the points? Points make prizes.

[jaffka]

Spending a shit load on Beckford prob knocked his confidence.

[StaffsTrotter]

Well that's all well and good, but where are the points? Points make prizes.

spot on - no pun intended.
He's repeating things he's said before and with all his (and his coaching staffs) football school interests. Is slightly worrying if he thinks one of his prime outcome is developing unknown players rather than winning bleedin football matches

[bobo the clown]

Well, one of the other things he famously said was that he isn't a fan of the loan market as that just gets other clubs players up to speed. Well, you could have fooled me Dougie.

He doesn't half waffle on.

[StaffsTrotter]

scotsman speak with forked tongue

[Lord Kangana]

The latitude that is granted for our new manager on here is breathtaking.

Its October, we haven't got a single digit against our W column. And we've signed a raft of players to add to a squad that lost nobody and finished 7th last season.

How is that all the players fault, our "new reality", amongst other bullshit, and not anything at all to do with poor management?

[thebish]

are you REALLY vexed that folk are generally fairly forgiving and willing to give a bloke a chance? does that REALLY bother you that much?

the call for more tolerance, patience and forbearance in today's world, is surely a breath of fresh air!

[LeverEnd]

Like BL3 pointed out. Dyche is doing a great job at Burnley with very little cash it seems. I think this is because Dyche is a very good manager who had taken to it like a duck to water. He's a better manager than Dougie right now, quite clearly, as the seen over the duration of their short managerial careers. However this doesn't make Dougie a terrible manager and isn't grounds for sacking him after just 10 games, no matter how badly they have gone.
He's being let down by certain players and is clearly struggling to sort it out. I'd give him a bit longer, as the last 2 games suggested a slight improvement. Last season we saw improved performances before results. Now they seem motivated but lacking in confidence, which is better than not playing for him or losing dressing rooms or whatever bollocks we can call it. If it goes flat again with no sign of picking up then he should go. If they are battling but struggling I'd give him some leeway. We can't just accept being in the bottom 6 long term though obviously, because for me the finance thing doesn't wash.

[Il Pirate]

are you REALLY vexed that folk are generally fairly forgiving and willing to give a bloke a chance? does that REALLY bother you that much?

the call for more tolerance, patience and forbearance in today's world, is surely a breath of fresh air!

There's a huge difference between society and the world of footie Bish. Sack him I say!!!!

[thebish]

I just think it's a bit odd to read posts whining about people being too patient and forbearing! I wish MORE people were - not fewer!!

[BWFC_Insane]

Who else did he target? What other positions did we try to strengthen?

He didn't say. But I'm sure he said, after we signed the full-backs and kids, that he wanted four more. Was it at the forum?

I'm not sure, mate, I thought Freedman made a few comments before the start of the season that after Spearing (I think), he was happy with the squad and wouldn't be bringing anyone else in unless Dawson became available. I know Nixon confirmed that Freedman was only after Dawson, though it was a long shot.

If you are using Nixon as a source then that is definitely incorrect. He was banging on from end July onwards about how Dougie was frustrated that he couldn't bring in the players he wanted and that DF felt the squad was short,

Dougie himself on one of those twitter q&a's said he wanted 4 more, but we only got Spearing after that.

[thebish]

Who else did he target? What other positions did we try to strengthen?

He didn't say. But I'm sure he said, after we signed the full-backs and kids, that he wanted four more. Was it at the forum?

I'm not sure, mate, I thought Freedman made a few comments before the start of the season that after Spearing (I think), he was happy with the squad and wouldn't be bringing anyone else in unless Dawson became available. I know Nixon confirmed that Freedman was only after Dawson, though it was a long shot.

If you are using Nixon as a source then that is definitely incorrect. He was banging on from end July onwards about how Dougie was frustrated that he couldn't bring in the players he wanted and that DF felt the squad was short,

Dougie himself on one of those twitter q&a's said he wanted 4 more, but we only got Spearing after that.

no - we got spearing, danns, McNaughton, Feeney = 4

job done.

[Hoboh]

I just think it's a bit odd to read posts whining about people being too patient and forbearing! I wish MORE people were - not fewer!!

[LeverEnd]

I just think it's a bit odd to read posts whining about people being too patient and forbearing! I wish MORE people were - not fewer!!