Today I'm angry about.....

[Prufrock]

And they're both five letters long...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

And they're both five letters long...

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[Prufrock]

Whoooooosh!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Whoooooosh!

Whoooooosh-less. I got it. I was just adding my own perspective.

[Prufrock]

Ah ok, a simple misunderstanding

[Hoboh]

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Nothing to do with the fact you pay sh*t wages, zero hour contracts and expect a 'working week' to consist of abut 8 hours is it?

[Bruce Rioja]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... chief.html

Nothing to do with the fact you pay sh*t wages, zero hour contracts and expect a 'working week' to consist of abut 8 hours is it?

And their pizzas are fecking awful, don't forget that now, Sunny Jim.

[Prufrock]

Aye, awful AND expensive. Never get the fuss.

[coffeymagic]

On the subject of 'zero hours' (there's a phrase that you'd never heard of five years ago eh?) my neice works for Salford Council in the leisure dept. She's 18 and naturally on zero hours yet expected to do 16-17 hour days.

She understands the job she's in is 'one of those jobs' where you start very early and finish very late to fit in with people's working hours but the fact she can be fired off at a moment's notice is outrageous isn't it? Especially coming from a Labour run council.

She'll do a couple of hours in Walkden, then need to go to Swinton then here then back there then over there.

All under her own steam and all at her own expense.

What a wonderful world.

[thebish]

I suspect zero-hours contracts DO suit some people in some types of job... I think the difficulty comes when major employers (such as local councils) use them when they should be employing people properly... "slave" labour is an insult to slaves - BUT - it's exploitative...

[Athers]

I suspect zero-hours contracts DO suit some people in some types of job... I think the difficulty comes when major employers (such as local councils) use them when they should be employing people properly... "slave" labour is an insult to slaves - BUT - it's exploitative...

Think I may have said it on the old politics thread but absolutely right

Some businesses do run on up and down demand for their staff. Ticketmaster for example need more staff in when they're posting Take That tickets than a week when they are not. To make up another: if you're a company who shift rubbish from empty houses, maybe you'll have some quiet weeks and busy weeks.

But McDonalds and Sports Direct are open all week long and can probably forecast the exact amount of sales and staff required on an hourly basis.

[coffeymagic]

I don't see how zero hours suit any employee.

You're hired on zero hours yet will work a week comprising a bewildering amount of hours.

Don't like? Eff off then. There's a million vampires currently crossing Europe more than willing to do your job for less and longer?

Still unhappy?

Thought not.

[thebish]

I don't see how zero hours suit any employee.

You're hired on zero hours yet will work a week comprising a bewildering amount of hours.

Don't like? Eff off then. There's a million vampires currently crossing Europe more than willing to do your job for less and longer?

Still unhappy?

Thought not.

well - the only actual research I have seen is by the CIPD - and it concludes this:

Zero-hours workers, when compared to the average UK employee, are just as satisfied with their job (60% versus 59%), happier with their work-life balance (65% vs 58%), and less likely to think they are treated unfairly by their organisation (27% vs 29%).

Zero-hours workers are, on average, nearly twice as likely to be satisfied with having no minimum set contracted hours, as they are to be dissatisfied. Almost half (47%) say they are satisfied compared with around a quarter (27%) who report being dissatisfied. The most common explanation for this is that flexible working suits their current circumstances (44% of those saying they are satisfied or very satisfied with having no minimum set contracted hours).

More than half (52%) of zero-hours workers say they would not like to work more hours than they do in a typical week, although just over a third (38%) say they would like more hours.

Eight out of ten (80%) zero-hours staff say they are never penalised for not being available for work.

Employers cite both sides of the flexibility equation in explaining their use of these contracts: two thirds (66%) highlight their need for the flexibility to respond to peaks and troughs in demand, but around a half (47%) of employers who use zero-hours contracts also cite the need to provide flexibility for individuals as one of the reasons informing their approach.

they found this out by asking people on Zero Hours contracts...

they did highlight the problems, though...

One in five zero-hours workers say they are sometimes (17%) or always (3%) penalised if they are not available for work.

Almost half of zero-hours workers say they receive no notice at all (40%) or find out at the beginning of an expected shift (6%) that work has been cancelled, and only about a third of employers tell us they make a contractual provision or have a formal policy outlining their approach to arranging (32%) and cancelling work (34%) for zero-hours workers.

One in five (21%) zero-hours workers believe their pay is lower than comparable permanent staff doing similar jobs, while one in ten employers (11%) report that this is the case. In fact, almost two-thirds (64%) of employers who use zero-hours workers report that hourly rates for these staff are about the same as an employee doing the same role on a permanent contract. Nearly a fifth (18%) report that hourly rates for zero-hours staff are higher than permanent employees (with the proportion slightly higher in the private sector).

Confusion among some employers and zero-hours staff over employment status and rights. For example, 42% of zero-hours staff don’t know if they have the right to take legal action if unfairly dismissed after two years service.

so - there ARE problems - but I am not convinced that the answer is BANNING zero hours contracts - rather, reforming and regulating their use...

[2399]

Ah the Joys of Renting.....

Front Garden is 'Derelict' and tomorrow I have to do many hours of Gardening!!!

[bobo the clown]

Ah the Joys of Renting.....

Front Garden is 'Derelict' and tomorrow I have to do many hours of Gardening!!!

want your grass cutting ???

[2399]

And Weeding, plus 'we' put out heaps of Hard Rubbish

[Annoyed Grunt]

And Weeding, plus 'we' put out heaps of Hard Rubbish

Hard rubbish?

[thebish]

And Weeding, plus 'we' put out heaps of Hard Rubbish

Hard rubbish?

i think overseas abroadland people from foreignville use the term "hard waste" or "hard rubbish" to refer to stuff scrap metal man might take off your hands - plus rubble and old furniture....

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

And Weeding, plus 'we' put out heaps of Hard Rubbish

Hard rubbish?

i think overseas abroadland people from foreignville use the term "hard waste" or "hard rubbish" to refer to stuff scrap metal man might take off your hands - plus rubble and old furniture....

We have a good system here. Anything you leave outside your garage (no doors on them) is fair game and will disappear within hours, if not minutes. On the rare occasion that doesn't work, you call the takemyjunk man and he pops along in his little truck and removes it for you gratis. I usually give him a bit of cash by way of a thank you though.

[thebish]

And Weeding, plus 'we' put out heaps of Hard Rubbish

Hard rubbish?

i think overseas abroadland people from foreignville use the term "hard waste" or "hard rubbish" to refer to stuff scrap metal man might take off your hands - plus rubble and old furniture....

We have a good system here. Anything you leave outside your garage (no doors on them) is fair game and will disappear within hours, if not minutes. On the rare occasion that doesn't work, you call the takemyjunk man and he pops along in his little truck and removes it for you gratis. I usually give him a bit of cash by way of a thank you though.

in the UK - just leave it out with a "Please do not take - being picked up by a friend." notice on it... it'll be nicked pronto...

either that - or wang it over Worthy's wall - he won't find it until the Spring...