European Second Referendum

[Lost Leopard Spot]

BREAKING NEWS: THE APPRENTICE MAY BE RESCHEDULED. !!!! Civilisation endangered by May. Now we all definitely lose.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Here is a prediction.

May gets her 585 page legally binding "withdrawal agreement" and her 26 pages of non-legally binding weak, pathetic, agreement to have an agreement documents passed by Europe on Sunday (despite Spain and France throwing tantrums).
Parliament votes on this in December the something. Parliament passes said withdrawal agreement despite all 10 DUP MPs voting against, because Labour MPs roll over and have their bellies tickled and vote it in.
Labour combine with Liberals, SNP, and DUP and vote down all government legislation.
No Confidence vote in May is carried, but necessary number of MPs for general election cannot be found.
Queen invites Jeremy Corbyn to become PM with a minority administration.
Corbyn takes us out of EU on March 29th and immediately sets us on a course to be in a permanent customs union with the EU forevermore...

And I'm still sticking with this... (very slightly amended from December the something to January the something)...

It cannot happen how you outline.....unless the DUP back Corbyn - which as we know WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

They may back him on a no confidence motion. At which point if passed there are then 14 for a new government to form that can command the majority of MPs. That would be unlikely/impossible.

So after that Parliament is dissolved and a GE called. There is no vote on an early GE under a motion of no confidence. It happens automatically unless another government can be formed.

DUP don't need to. All they need to do is vote against government legislation. No GE is needed. The Queen would invite Corbyn to form a minority government. Theseare the constitutional rules.

You said "no confidence vote is carried". The process from that is 14 days for a majority govt to form and win a vote FAILING that a GE is automatically called.

There is no "minority government on instruction from the queen".

Well you're wrong. A minority government after a no confidence vote is under the queen's perogative. If Corbyn can demonstrate he has a way forward, the Queen cannot refuse (or rather, she could, but wouldn't).

https://www.parliament.uk/site- information/glossary/motion-of-no-confidence/

Not according to this!

Corbyn still would have to win a parliamentary motion of confidence in any government he tried to form. Which he couldn't!

As I've said. You're wrong. I have the disadvantage of having a new phone with an operating system I'm not used to and cannot (through lack of knowledge) paste a simple fxcking link. But there are hundreds of them. Try googling can Corbyn form a minority government..
Anyfxckingway, it's a prediction. It either happens or doesn't, whether in the negative because it's impossible or other events occurred is immaterial, surely? It either happens or it doesn't. And I say it will happen...

It is possible but highly unlikely that the queen could intervene if Brexit hits true deadlock and ask Corbyn to form a minority government. That is hugely, hugely unlikely.

However, it is not possible following a no confidence motion for Corbyn to form a minority government in the 14 day window UNLESS it wins support from majority of MPs.

Does the phrase " MINORITY GOVERNMENT" conjure up the image of support from a majority of MPs...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

If the government of the day is defeated in a vote of no confidence, the Queen can invite Her Loyal Opposition the opportunity to form a government. It's in the constitution, unwritten as it is.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

All the other kids with the pumped up kicks, better run better run,

Wow, somebody voted for May's Way ^ .

[Hoboh]

Funny how the £ and the ftse went up when the confidence vote in May was announced earlier.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

The silly bitch promises not to lead the Conservatives into the next election... It'd be a better promise not to lead anybody anywhere from next Monday (for example)...

[Prufrock]

If the government of the day is defeated in a vote of no confidence, the Queen can invite Her Loyal Opposition the opportunity to form a government. It's in the constitution, unwritten as it is.

If a vote of no confidence is passed by the Commons, there is automatically an election if the House does not pass a motion of confidence in a government (could be the same govt, could be a diff Tory govt, could be a completely different, possibly Labour, govt) within 14 days. It does not matter what the Queen does. If that motion isn't passed, there is an election.

So Corbyn could form a minority govt, but he'd need to win a vote of confidence in the Commons to do so. It's s2(3)-(5) of the Fixed-term Parliament Act, here.

[Hoboh]

Why no five free votes on an app like I'm a celebrity get me out of here

Keep the kiddies happy.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

If the government of the day is defeated in a vote of no confidence, the Queen can invite Her Loyal Opposition the opportunity to form a government. It's in the constitution, unwritten as it is.

If a vote of no confidence is passed by the Commons, there is automatically an election if the House does not pass a motion of confidence in a government (could be the same govt, could be a diff Tory govt, could be a completely different, possibly Labour, govt) within 14 days. It does not matter what the Queen does. If that motion isn't passed, there is an election.

So Corbyn could form a minority govt, but he'd need to win a vote of confidence in the Commons to do so. It's s2(3)-(5) of the Fixed-term Parliament Act, here.

The Fixed-term parliament act is neither here nor there.
If the DUP combine with Labour and the SNP and vote down government legislation then the Queen is duty bound to invite the opposition to form a good, ffffs.

[BWFC_Insane]

If the government of the day is defeated in a vote of no confidence, the Queen can invite Her Loyal Opposition the opportunity to form a government. It's in the constitution, unwritten as it is.

If a vote of no confidence is passed by the Commons, there is automatically an election if the House does not pass a motion of confidence in a government (could be the same govt, could be a diff Tory govt, could be a completely different, possibly Labour, govt) within 14 days. It does not matter what the Queen does. If that motion isn't passed, there is an election.

So Corbyn could form a minority govt, but he'd need to win a vote of confidence in the Commons to do so. It's s2(3)-(5) of the Fixed-term Parliament Act, here.

The Fixed-term parliament act is neither here nor there.
If the DUP combine with Labour and the SNP and vote down government legislation then the Queen is duty bound to invite the opposition to form a good, ffffs.

If they vote down the queen’s speech or major legislation. However, you said a motion of no confidence..,which as Pru and I have outlined is an automatic GE unless someone can pass a motion of confidence in 14 days.

[Harry Genshaw]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

[BWFC_Insane]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

A third of her MPs voted against her. Impossible to get a deal through Parliament now you’d think. I wonder if some might suggest she resigns to make getting some sort of deal through easier. Clear that some in her party will just vote against it to get rid of her.

[Hoboh]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

A third of her MPs voted against her. Impossible to get a deal through Parliament now you’d think. I wonder if some might suggest she resigns to make getting some sort of deal through easier. Clear that some in her party will just vote against it to get rid of her.

I thought, well according to you anyway, she was going to 'smash the vote' last night?

Poor show actually and on other matters;

So the pro EU wing think the Brexiteers should accept the result of the vote? Talk about two faced, shame they didn't in the first instance, you know, the referendum.

Watched Peston last night, reckon momentum will be moving swiftly into Caroline flints constituency shortly, she had the cheek to mention cross party collaboration with Old McDonald present

[BWFC_Insane]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

A third of her MPs voted against her. Impossible to get a deal through Parliament now you’d think. I wonder if some might suggest she resigns to make getting some sort of deal through easier. Clear that some in her party will just vote against it to get rid of her.

I thought, well according to you anyway, she was going to 'smash the vote' last night?

Poor show actually and on other matters;

So the pro EU wing think the Brexiteers should accept the result of the vote? Talk about two faced, shame they didn't in the first instance, you know, the referendum.

Watched Peston last night, reckon momentum will be moving swiftly into Caroline flints constituency shortly, she had the cheek to mention cross party collaboration with Old McDonald present

Well she won it comfortably. In normal circumstances a third of your MPs voting against you is instant resignation but May is stubborn!

As for cross-party collaboration McDonnell was on radio 4 this morning calling for exactly that. Saying that she could get the Brexit model Labour propose through parliament if she works with them. So I'm not really sure you are on the money there. McDonnell has been calling for co-operation for a while - May doesn't even co-operate with her own cabinet though so I think any wider move is doubtful. Brexit is entirely down to unelected Olly Robbins it seems!

[Hoboh]

If you watched Old Mac you could see quite clearly he was just saying what he had to so he seemed moderate and fair, the general election was his main point.

BTW it's Oily Robbins or Castrol has his mates know him.

[Prufrock]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

A third of her MPs voted against her. Impossible to get a deal through Parliament now you’d think. I wonder if some might suggest she resigns to make getting some sort of deal through easier. Clear that some in her party will just vote against it to get rid of her.

I thought, well according to you anyway, she was going to 'smash the vote' last night?

Poor show actually and on other matters;

So the pro EU wing think the Brexiteers should accept the result of the vote? Talk about two faced, shame they didn't in the first instance, you know, the referendum.

Watched Peston last night, reckon momentum will be moving swiftly into Caroline flints constituency shortly, she had the cheek to mention cross party collaboration with Old McDonald present

Somewhere someone might be writing that the Brexiteers, having spent two years taking about how a vote should be accepted as final might want to now take a leaf out of their own book...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

If the government of the day is defeated in a vote of no confidence, the Queen can invite Her Loyal Opposition the opportunity to form a government. It's in the constitution, unwritten as it is.

If a vote of no confidence is passed by the Commons, there is automatically an election if the House does not pass a motion of confidence in a government (could be the same govt, could be a diff Tory govt, could be a completely different, possibly Labour, govt) within 14 days. It does not matter what the Queen does. If that motion isn't passed, there is an election.

So Corbyn could form a minority govt, but he'd need to win a vote of confidence in the Commons to do so. It's s2(3)-(5) of the Fixed-term Parliament Act, here.

The Fixed-term parliament act is neither here nor there.
If the DUP combine with Labour and the SNP and vote down government legislation then the Queen is duty bound to invite the opposition to form a good, ffffs.

If they vote down the queen’s speech or major legislation. However, you said a motion of no confidence..,which as Pru and I have outlined is an automatic GE unless someone can pass a motion of confidence in 14 days.

Incorrect. Wrong. Bullshit. Not right
Jesus fxcking Christ, Pru even had a link to specific legislation...
Let me quote from the Times today:
"If Mrs May's government did lose a no confidence vote, in previous decades this would have immediately triggered a general election... That process was changed by the Fixed Terms..act. An election can be called only 14 days after... During those 14 days, others have the chance to try to form a government. This is where the constitutional waters become muddy..."
So, you are talking, as you quite often do, utter fxcking nonsense.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

A third of her MPs voted against her. Impossible to get a deal through Parliament now you’d think. I wonder if some might suggest she resigns to make getting some sort of deal through easier. Clear that some in her party will just vote against it to get rid of her.

I thought, well according to you anyway, she was going to 'smash the vote' last night?

Poor show actually and on other matters;

So the pro EU wing think the Brexiteers should accept the result of the vote? Talk about two faced, shame they didn't in the first instance, you know, the referendum.

Watched Peston last night, reckon momentum will be moving swiftly into Caroline flints constituency shortly, she had the cheek to mention cross party collaboration with Old McDonald present

Somewhere someone might be writing that the Brexiteers, having spent two years taking about how a vote should be accepted as final might want to now take a leaf out of their own book...

Nothing funny about it. Tragic, maybe.
May will be leader of the Tories (unless she resigns, or dies in the meantime) for the next 12 months. We can all accept that...
That in and of itself impacts not one iota on opposition to her stupid 'deal' that's not a deal.

[Hoboh]

Well she won but not by as large a majority as I expected. More importantly the result didn't interrupt the Apprentice

A third of her MPs voted against her. Impossible to get a deal through Parliament now you’d think. I wonder if some might suggest she resigns to make getting some sort of deal through easier. Clear that some in her party will just vote against it to get rid of her.

I thought, well according to you anyway, she was going to 'smash the vote' last night?

Poor show actually and on other matters;

So the pro EU wing think the Brexiteers should accept the result of the vote? Talk about two faced, shame they didn't in the first instance, you know, the referendum.

Watched Peston last night, reckon momentum will be moving swiftly into Caroline flints constituency shortly, she had the cheek to mention cross party collaboration with Old McDonald present

Somewhere someone might be writing that the Brexiteers, having spent two years taking about how a vote should be accepted as final might want to now take a leaf out of their own book...

You see sonny boy, you wailers set the new norm where voting is concerned, cannot have it both ways you know.

Have a mouthful of your flaky fudge back.

[BWFC_Insane]

If the government of the day is defeated in a vote of no confidence, the Queen can invite Her Loyal Opposition the opportunity to form a government. It's in the constitution, unwritten as it is.

If a vote of no confidence is passed by the Commons, there is automatically an election if the House does not pass a motion of confidence in a government (could be the same govt, could be a diff Tory govt, could be a completely different, possibly Labour, govt) within 14 days. It does not matter what the Queen does. If that motion isn't passed, there is an election.

So Corbyn could form a minority govt, but he'd need to win a vote of confidence in the Commons to do so. It's s2(3)-(5) of the Fixed-term Parliament Act, here.

The Fixed-term parliament act is neither here nor there.
If the DUP combine with Labour and the SNP and vote down government legislation then the Queen is duty bound to invite the opposition to form a good, ffffs.

If they vote down the queen’s speech or major legislation. However, you said a motion of no confidence..,which as Pru and I have outlined is an automatic GE unless someone can pass a motion of confidence in 14 days.

Incorrect. Wrong. Bullshit. Not right
Jesus fxcking Christ, Pru even had a link to specific legislation...
Let me quote from the Times today:
"If Mrs May's government did lose a no confidence vote, in previous decades this would have immediately triggered a general election... That process was changed by the Fixed Terms..act. An election can be called only 14 days after... During those 14 days, others have the chance to try to form a government. This is where the constitutional waters become muddy..."
So, you are talking, as you quite often do, utter fxcking nonsense.

No. You simply do not understand the very clear rules Pru and I laid out.

There are 14 days for a government to try and form. That government HAS to pass a commons motion of confidence. So IF Corbyn wanted to form a government HE has to secure majority support from MPs in the house. It is clearly laid out in the link Pru has provided and the previous one I provided. He can run a minority government IF the majority of MPs vote that government to have the house's confidence. Which currently would be impossible to achieve.

You are wrong. We have very clearly outlined the process for how a no confidence motion works.

No confidence. 14 days for a government to form that can PASS A CONFIDENCE motion. If not. General Election.

Comprende?