The Politics Thread

[BWFC_Insane]

So the Tories are talking about making 40,000 public sector employees unemployed.

Fantastic. Of course they dress this up as "not replacing jobs as they come up as part of the natural lifecycle" bollocks.

Net result is up to 40,000 less jobs in the public sector and therefore, more people unemployed.

And of course you can just get rid of 40,000 people and services won't suffer at all! Of course you can!

Genius.

Aren't all parties talking about public sector job cuts?

Perhaps we can't afford for public services not to suffer a bit?

They are but the Conservatives are most certainly talking about it in the most shall we say, stringent way. I don't particularly have an issue with the fact we're in a tight spot and there has to be efficiency savings from everywhere. But increasing the number of folk unemployed whilst at the same time damaging public services and as I explained above all the knock on effects this has on the private sector and further employment seems to be a drastic way of doing things. All areas in the public sector are currently being asked to make stringent efficiency savings so its not like they are sailing along as it is.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Have you seen the amount of forms you have to fill in to get owt from the public sector, service-wise? Soon as all that's online those 40,000 won't be working there again, give it 2-3 years. Main way you're gonna make efficiency savings.

[Worthy4England]

So the Tories are talking about making 40,000 public sector employees unemployed.

Fantastic. Of course they dress this up as "not replacing jobs as they come up as part of the natural lifecycle" bollocks.

Net result is up to 40,000 less jobs in the public sector and therefore, more people unemployed.

And of course you can just get rid of 40,000 people and services won't suffer at all! Of course you can!

Genius.

I have to say, Worthy, I cringed when I heard Cameron playing the natural wastage card this morning, assuming that none of the 40,000 people that leave the public sector every year hold anything other than expendable positions. Not a smart move at all.

I've sat on both sides of the fence to be honest Brucie. I was a Civil Servant until I was nearly 30, then decided it was time to earn a decent living
(as opposed to a fairly secure and relatively low paid one). There's not really much difference between this set of Tories and the last lot. Then again, there's not much difference between this set of "Labour Government" and the last lot of Tories either.

I didn't vote Labour the last two elections. because quite frankly, it didn't matter, and I tore my Labour party membership card up when Mr Blair got elected. Most elections in the UK come down to "what it means for me" - a trend that was set in the 1980's and a bit like the Premier League is seemingly irreversable. No concept of community, social collaboration or anything else that would involve helping your neighbour. feck 'em, I'm doing alright for meself thanks, yet I hear plenty of people spouting how they think they might be better off when the Tories win. Not one can give me a compelling argument or a reason to vote for them other than "they're not this lot".

We're in the middle of a global recession. Labour could be held responsible (and maybe should be) for not taking a keener interest in regulating the banks - although I've yet to hear any Tory voter say unequivocally that this needs to be done. You need to contrast this with Black Monday and Black Wednesday, which were both directly caused by one particular government's policies. Economists that misguidedly think a completely open market is a good thing are probably wrong - it only opens it up to upper class mafia. People who have generally had their lives (thus far) handed to them on a plate, probably need to take stock for a minute and think of other people that might benefit from their undoubted head start in life. When people who haven't actually done a real days work start suggesting to you, who you need to vote for (I can only assume because they've been told it's so) based on no knowledge of their likely policies, then I start to be concerned. But like every self respecting Tory, I'll continue to look after meself, thanks.

Me - I'm probably going to vote Lib-Dem (again)

[Hoboh]

The end result is a rise in unemployment

Not if we disguise the actual jobless figure though, eh?

Looks to me like half the school leavers could be added to the total jobless, but wait they are in further training for another 2-3 years whilst getting various benefits, silly me what I was thinking? surely they couldn't be hiding these "jobless" behind the training schemes.
It gets me how after 10 years or so when kids absorb things far easier than adults the "average" pupil needs another 2 years of education, in my eyes that means the first 10 are a waste of resource and not working correctly and before anyone starts banging on about IT being complicated etc. there are 8 year old's that could put some of us to shame.
We should put the money in early, concentrate on the first 10 and make our schools work!

Hobo does have a problem like others with who to vote for, OK I may go OTT the odd time but society has to pick its self up and folk have to be held to account when failing what society has deemed reasonable and placed laws and the like to protect.
I don't do greedy bankers, fly by night selfish multi global companies whose only concern is the shareholders dividend but by the same score I don't do cabbage eating, tree hugging, quite simply sensationalist greens either!
I want decent roads, reasonable fuel prices (not just petrol) water companies (that next to the Queen are the biggest landowners in the country selling a product they don't pay for) to provide a reasonable service, a legal system that wants shaking from its 200 year slumber so average £250 per hour barristers are only required in specialist cases, government representation that really is accountable and representative of the people that elect it, civil and public servants that merely oversee and administer not set them self up as mini corporations.

Oh sod it lets go back to raping and pillaging the rest of the world and build a new empire, maybe Lizzie could start it and William may have a daughter called Victoria!!

[William the White]

The end result is a rise in unemployment

Not if we disguise the actual jobless figure though, eh?

Looks to me like half the school leavers could be added to the total jobless, but wait they are in further training for another 2-3 years whilst getting various benefits, silly me what I was thinking? surely they couldn't be hiding these "jobless" behind the training schemes.
It gets me how after 10 years or so when kids absorb things far easier than adults the "average" pupil needs another 2 years of education, in my eyes that means the first 10 are a waste of resource and not working correctly and before anyone starts banging on about IT being complicated etc. there are 8 year old's that could put some of us to shame.
We should put the money in early, concentrate on the first 10 and make our schools work!

Hobo does have a problem like others with who to vote for, OK I may go OTT the odd time but society has to pick its self up and folk have to be held to account when failing what society has deemed reasonable and placed laws and the like to protect.
I don't do greedy bankers, fly by night selfish multi global companies whose only concern is the shareholders dividend but by the same score I don't do cabbage eating, tree hugging, quite simply sensationalist greens either!
I want decent roads, reasonable fuel prices (not just petrol) water companies (that next to the Queen are the biggest landowners in the country selling a product they don't pay for) to provide a reasonable service, a legal system that wants shaking from its 200 year slumber so average £250 per hour barristers are only required in specialist cases, government representation that really is accountable and representative of the people that elect it, civil and public servants that merely oversee and administer not set them self up as mini corporations.

Oh sod it lets go back to raping and pillaging the rest of the world and build a new empire, maybe Lizzie could start it and William may have a daughter called Victoria!!

So, in terms of inflicting damage on our society where do you place the two groups - those that precipitate a world wide economic crisis and those that eat cabbage?

[superjohnmcginlay]

Depends what sort of cabbage. Savoy cabbage is ok, but that normal crappy cabbage you get is pure evil.

[superjohnmcginlay]

Or possibly there's too many people employed in the public sector?

There might well be.

But it might also be a case of people not always understanding the complexity of the public services that are offered.

Equally given all these cuts the Tories are proposing to the public sector, there will inevitably be a massive knock on effect to the private sector where they hold contracts with public sector bodies. The inevitable knock on is 40,000 job losses from the public sector, reduction of services and reduction of private sector contracts (which the Tories admit) and therefore loss of jobs in the private sector.

The end result is a rise in unemployment and it WILL be as per usual under Tory governments the lower paid people who on average will be more at risk than those that are earning more.

Quite possibly. But what do you suggest we do in the current situation? Just carry on merrily, fingers in ears going la-la-la-la not listening. Tory/Labour it makes jack sh*t difference. There's going to be cuts and theyre going to be nasty because we're fooking broke.

[BWFC_Insane]

Or possibly there's too many people employed in the public sector?

There might well be.

But it might also be a case of people not always understanding the complexity of the public services that are offered.

Equally given all these cuts the Tories are proposing to the public sector, there will inevitably be a massive knock on effect to the private sector where they hold contracts with public sector bodies. The inevitable knock on is 40,000 job losses from the public sector, reduction of services and reduction of private sector contracts (which the Tories admit) and therefore loss of jobs in the private sector.

The end result is a rise in unemployment and it WILL be as per usual under Tory governments the lower paid people who on average will be more at risk than those that are earning more.

Quite possibly. But what do you suggest we do in the current situation? Just carry on merrily, fingers in ears going la-la-la-la not listening. Tory/Labour it makes jack sh*t difference. There's going to be cuts and theyre going to be nasty because we're fooking broke.

I don't doubt that. But I think whoever is in charge needs to look very carefully at trying to avoid rising unemployment. That will send the economy tumbling back again and we can't afford that.

Like I say the public sector is being trimmed as we speak, and we might have to accept that SOME folk will lose their jobs and that some contracts with private sector companies will be lost and accept the knock on effects of that. But equally I'd like to know that Health, Education, Policing etc will be protected sufficiently so that they still provide excellent service.

[keveh]

Would people want a poll added to the thread of who you are going to vote for?

[CAPSLOCK]

But equally I'd like to know that Health, Education, Policing etc will be protected sufficiently so that they still provide excellent service.

Excellent?

I'd guess that by any measure you care to choose, we spend more now on Health, Education and Policing etc than we have ever done

Evidence enough that spending is no guarantee of a good service

[BWFC_Insane]

But equally I'd like to know that Health, Education, Policing etc will be protected sufficiently so that they still provide excellent service.

Excellent?

I'd guess that by any measure you care to choose, we spend more now on Health, Education and Policing etc than we have ever done

Evidence enough that spending is no guarantee of a good service

You don't think we have a good health service?

Good schools?

I mean nothings perfect but I'd still rather have our NHS and our schools than the equivalent from many other countries in the world.

[CAPSLOCK]

You said excellent

You've dropped down to good already

FFS, you'll be calling 'em shite before the days out

FWIW, for what is spent on Education and Health, I don't think the service is as good as it should be, no

[BWFC_Insane]

You said excellent

You've dropped down to good already

FFS, you'll be calling 'em shite before the days out

FWIW, for what is spent on Education and Health, I don't think the service is as good as it should be, no

Folk always want more Caps no doubt.

I think the service you get is pretty damn good if I'm honest, but like I say nowts perfect.

The problem is that everyone wants what they think they don't!

[William the White]

Would people want a poll added to the thread of who you are going to vote for?

that might be interesting.

[Hoboh]

Don't forget the "Planet hobo" option

[William the White]

Don't forget the "Planet hobo" option

No one surviving planet hobo will ever forget it...

Or want it as an option...

[Hoboh]

Don't forget the "Planet hobo" option

No one surviving planet hobo will ever forget it...
That William would be the vast majority of peaceful law abiding citizens
Or want it as an option...
So you'd deny them the opportunity to vote on that? I dislike the option of BNP on a ballot paper but their right to be there would still exist in hobo world I would rather hope things were run so well the BNP might consist of one man and his dog though!

[superjohnmcginlay]

I'm going with hobo. There's a good chance he'll set fire to Galloway.

Is Harriet going to have a prominent position in your cabinet hobo?

[superjohnmcginlay]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healt ... ldren.html

So we can't call 'em fat little scouse bastards then?

[CAPSLOCK]

Liberals in the lead...

Fcuk me, some of you must have smelly mattresses