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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Bruce Rioja » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:22 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Mar 17, 2013 10:11 pm

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TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.
Oh, I thought I was discussing the painting, also a possible reason for the different hairstyles.?
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Bruce Rioja » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:00 am

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TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.
Oh, I thought I was discussing the painting, also a possible reason for the different hairstyles.?
Your 'possible reason for the differing hairstyles' being that 'this actually might be a rather clever painting'? Really? That stands up to no scrutiny whatsoever!
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by TANGODANCER » Mon Mar 18, 2013 12:43 pm

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Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:Anyway, back to Nev. This actually might be a rather clever painting. See,the Nev in the image appears much younger; different hairstyle, showing teeth and a young man look about it. It actually does resemble the younger Nev very well as I knew him, and, if that was the object, is quite a nice idea. Can't be sure, but that's how it seems to me.
Regardless of your fond memories the discussion is of a painting. As a painting much of the perspective and several of the attempted reflections are all to feck. As kinty pointed out his hair hairstyle takes on three new lives within one painting. Only a portrait of Donald Trump at the barbers could ever carry that off.
Oh, I thought I was discussing the painting, also a possible reason for the different hairstyles.?
Your 'possible reason for the differing hairstyles' being that 'this actually might be a rather clever painting'? Really? That stands up to no scrutiny whatsoever!
No Bruce, my possible reason it might be clever is that if the artist is showing the subject at different ages in different views deliberately, then that might make it a bit clever.....is all. It had absolutely nothing to do with "fond memories" whatsoever? It was a view, nothing more.
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Bruce Rioja » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:46 pm

TANGODANCER wrote: No Bruce, my possible reason it might be clever is that if the artist is showing the subject at different ages in different views deliberately, then that might make it a bit clever.....is all. It had absolutely nothing to do with "fond memories" whatsoever? It was a view, nothing more.
But surely the artist would want to show his/her talent by accurately depicting the reflections. To make a bollocks of them and to then claim that they were purposely painted that way in an exhibition of bit-of-cleverness butters no parsnips with me whatsoever. And that's my view.
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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:49 pm

Butters no parsnips *double-take* butters no parsnips? Well blither my crin.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Mon Mar 18, 2013 3:54 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Butters no parsnips *double-take* butters no parsnips? Well blither my crin.
Allow me to blither that crin, Spotty. ;)

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Mon Mar 18, 2013 4:00 pm

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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Butters no parsnips *double-take* butters no parsnips? Well blither my crin.
Allow me to blither that crin, Spotty. ;)

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"...much to the disgust of the French" - not much difference there then
"the Japanese, who referred to Europeans in general and the English in particular as 'butter-stinkers'" - wow, that hurts!
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Il Pirate » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:28 am

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:I don't even know if VVG painted any willows - as I say, the subject matter isn't critical; it's the treatment.

For the third in that sequence reminds me a bit of VVG's cypress trees (and looser, swirling style more generally).

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That just looks like a giant skunk bud.............

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:31 am

... with the sky as observed after consumption of said bud.
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:19 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote: No Bruce, my possible reason it might be clever is that if the artist is showing the subject at different ages in different views deliberately, then that might make it a bit clever.....is all. It had absolutely nothing to do with "fond memories" whatsoever? It was a view, nothing more.
But surely the artist would want to show his/her talent by accurately depicting the reflections. To make a bollocks of them and to then claim that they were purposely painted that way in an exhibition of bit-of-cleverness butters no parsnips with me whatsoever. And that's my view.
I doubt the reflection is as 'off' as people on here are claiming. The mirror doesn't necessarily show the photo as being 'next' to his shoulder, for example, because that doesn't take account of the possibility of depth and space between them - something that does look oddly flattened in a pciture of a mirror.

I'd be interested to see a photo of the scene and I bet it wouldn't be far off.
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:27 pm

One of the classics of the NG collection on today's Artfinder:

https://www.artfinder.com/story/agnolo- ... dium=email" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by mrkint » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:23 pm

Popped along to the national gallery at lunch today. Had a look at some Monet's.

His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:43 pm

:fishing:

Not taking it. *bait untouched*
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Post by thebish » Fri Mar 22, 2013 2:47 pm

mrkint wrote:Popped along to the national gallery at lunch today. Had a look at some Monet's.

His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...

:wink:

my money's on Rolph Harris

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Post by bobo the clown » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:45 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:One of the classics of the NG collection on today's Artfinder:

https://www.artfinder.com/story/agnolo- ... dium=email" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
... ND he took bother over the corners.

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Fri Mar 22, 2013 6:49 pm

thebish wrote:
mrkint wrote:Popped along to the national gallery at lunch today. Had a look at some Monet's.

His brushstrokes really did get more wild and colourful after the 1890s....almost as if he was influenced by someone...

:wink:

my money's on Rolph Harris
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by Il Pirate » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:23 pm

After the 1890's his eyesight was pretty poor, hence the change in stroke, composition & colour. And I've been to his house and seen that bridge, and his very nice old kitchen. Gardens aint bad either. :wink:

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Post by mrkint » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:25 pm

In all seriousness I really did enjoy his painting of the japanese bridge, done in his very late years. Almost like a magic eye painting that reveals more and more with every second you look at it. Something i like about that.

Also enjoyed the Execution of Lady Jane Grey (not Monet)

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Post by BenGerald » Sun Mar 24, 2013 4:58 pm

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