"A short life of misery and pain"

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Re: "A short life of misery and pain"

Post by eddybwfc » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:06 pm

Verbal wrote:It's moments like this which makes you think whether jail sentences are enough...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7708398.stm
Two men have been found guilty of causing or allowing the death of a 17-month-old boy. The child's mother had already admitted allowing or causing the child's death.

The trial highlighted a catalogue of missed opportunities to save his life and the case has chilling echoes of the death of Victoria Climbie.
The boy's mother denied knowing anything about bloodstains

On 2 August 2007 police announced they were dropping an investigation into allegations of child abuse they had launched the previous December.

Baby P's mother was elated and told social workers she would go home to hug her son and bake cakes.

The next morning he was dead.

Baby P, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was pronounced dead shortly after midday on 3 August at the North Middlesex Hospital in Edmonton, north London.

But it was already clear when an ambulance arrived at his Tottenham home 45 minutes earlier that he had been dead for some time.

His mother described him in her 999 call as "blue, cold and stiff." In his short life he had suffered repeated - and unexplained - injuries.

The post-mortem examination revealed Baby P had suffered:


• Eight broken ribs and a broken back, with another area of bleeding around the spine at neck level.


• Numerous bruises, cuts and abrasions, including a deep tear to his left ear lobe, which had been pulled away from his head.


• Severe lacerations to the top of his head, including a large gouge which could have been caused by a dog bite.


• Blackened finger- and toenails, with several nails missing; the middle finger of his right hand was without a nail and its tip was also missing, as if it had been sliced off.


• A tear to his fraenulum, the strip of skin between the middle of the upper lip and the gum, which had partially healed.


• One of his front teeth had also been knocked out and was found in his colon. He had swallowed it.


The jury was not shown photographs of the child's actual injuries because it would be too upsetting but was shown computer generated images of his injuries.


His mother, who is now 27, told her GP in September 2006 that her son "bruises easily" and she was worried she might be accused of hurting him.

The following month she returned to see Dr Jerome Iqwueke and explained away bruises on the child, saying he had fallen down the stairs the day before.

On 11 December 2006 Dr Iqwueke saw the child again and noticed more bruises, none of which the mother could adequately explain.

He immediately referred Baby P to paediatric specialists at the Whittington Hospital, where doctors concluded the marks suggested non-accidental injury.

Haringey social services were notified, Baby P was put on the child protection register and a police investigation began.

Five days later he was released into the care of Angela Godfrey, a close friend of the mother.

At the end of January 2007 social services decided to return Baby P to the family home.

Dr Heather Mackinnon, the paediatric consultant in charge of Baby P's care at the Whittington, said she had been unable to attend various case conferences concerning him but had made her report available.

'Systemic failure'

She said she would not have supported returning the child to his family.

She also said she did not receive the minutes of any of the meetings until after Baby P's death eight months later - something she described as "clearly a systemic failure".

Dr Mackinnon said many of those involved in the case felt sorry for the mother and she said there was "a collective thinking that this was more likely to be neglect rather than deliberate injury - which was not my view".

The police officer investigating the suspected abuse, Detective Constable Angela Slade, said she had also been opposed to Baby P returning to the family home because her investigation had not been completed.

But she said she was told by social services the mother was working well with them and a delay in returning would affect the re-integration of the family.

Social services had also been given assurances - which proved worthless - that the mother was living alone and there was no man in the house who could have inflicted the injuries.

During the trial the mother admitted this was a lie.


The court heard that her 32-year-old boyfriend, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was frequently left in charge of Baby P and the first injuries coincided with his growing involvement in the household.

Baby P was taken to hospital twice more, in April and June 2007, with unexplained cuts and bruises.

The mother lied to social worker Maria Ward that she was away, which delayed a home visit for another six weeks.

When Ms Ward saw Baby P for the last time, a few days before his death, she found him sitting in his buggy, with a sore ear, a gauze over his finger and chocolate smeared over his face and hands.

Two prosecution witnesses claimed the mother and boyfriend had deliberately spread the chocolate on his face to hide bruises.

Baby P's final two weeks of life were marked by an escalation of the violence against him.

On 25 July Dr Iqwueke received a call from the mother, requesting his help to get social services "off her back".

When she brought the child in the following day the doctor noticed he was "withdrawn" and avoided contact.

'Miserable and cranky'

The prosecution claimed the child's back and ribs would have been broken before 1 August, when his mother took him to a child development clinic at St Ann's Hospital where he was seen by Dr Sabah Al-Zayyat.

In a police interview Dr Al-Zayyat said she had been unable to carry out a full physical examination because he was "miserable and cranky".

But in court she said Baby P only cried for a minute or so before she began her physical examination and he was in the room with her for over an hour.

Asked why she apparently changed her evidence she replied that the police had not asked her the right question at the time.

Dr Al-Zayyat denied his back could have been broken when she saw him.

It emerged during the trial that the mother had been placed on a parenting course, had been given stair gates, a fireplace guard and, even, shortly before his death, an offer of a seaside holiday.

This is not the first time Haringey social services has come under the spotlight.

In February 2000 eight-year-old Victoria Climbie was killed in Tottenham after a number of failings by Haringey social services and other agencies.

'I feel betrayed'

The public inquiry that followed, headed by Lord Laming, criticised the lack of communication between the different agencies and suggested an overhaul of child protection guidelines.

But Mor Dioum, director of the Victoria Climbie Foundation, says the lessons have not been learned: "I strongly believe this case is worse than Victoria Climbie.

"Personally I do feel betrayed by the agencies. Given the government's extensive reforms of the child protection system I never though I'd live to see another case so similar to Victoria Climbie. For the sake of public interest we ought to have a wider inquiry into this case to identify the mistakes made."
This is absolutely sick, its basically torcher on a 16 month old baby, instead of just giving it to social services...

Crime these days is pathetic, i dont feel safe walking streets on my own at night...
my friends best mate just been randomly attacked in blackburn and was in a coma... nearly got killed..

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/ne ... wrong_time_/

some of the crimes should death penalty... this one on the 17 month old, is disgusting
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Post by Verbal » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:48 pm

That is horrible eddy, truly horrible. I hope he gets better soon.

In your point about not feeling safe...well, it's one of the reasons I left Bolton when I finished college. It is my hometown and I will always have a place for it, but as soon as darkness falls it is terrifying walking the streets. I was having a night in when I get a knock on the door from my mate. It turns out he had been out with a friend of ours when they got attacked by some baseball bat weilding c*nts who had taken one to our other friend's temple, sending him to hospital. A few months later, I got off the number eight bus in Farnworth town centre, making the measily 50yard walk to get a cab. In between, I got set upon by a gang of 'lads (well, I can't even say that, as I'd swear blind one of them was in his 30s at least) who decided to knock us out on the floor and kick the crap out of me outside the bus station, sending me to hospital this time. My crime? I had long hair. It's f*cking terrifying walking around there now and I have nothing but contempt for the people who carry out this kind of shit.

But this kind of pales into insignificanced when reading about your mate's mate...I hope he gets well as I say, and I hope his family and friends are getting through this as best as they possibly can.
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Post by jaffka » Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:02 am

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hisroyalgingerness wrote:Disgusting. And we are against the death penalty why?
What Keeeebaaaaab said, plus because it doesnt work. Studies on it suggest the difference between life imprisonment and the death penalty as a deterrent are minimal if they even exist at all, certainly not enough to justify the risk of falsely killing someone innocent. dont get me wrong, i think the people in question here should be locked up and the key thrown away, but the death penalty is outdated and never ever going to happen.

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KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab wrote:Well, not considering the "potential for miscarriage of justice after the undertaking of death penalty" side of things (which automatically puts me against it)....

Because why should there be such an easy way out of someone's guilt? If they have a conscience, keep them suffering without them having a chance to do it again. If they don't, let some other criminal beat one into them.
Any individuals who could do that to a child have no feelings, let alone conscience. They'll be made to pay inside, bet on it. Even the hardest criminals can get very moralistic where women and child beating are involved.
Ive never understood this, where does someone who has beaten somebody blind, or shot someone dead think they get some moral high ground from? As i said the people in question here should be locked away in some hell hole with just enough food to keep them going, sans television and the internet, but i find it odd that lunatics and thugs can somehow get on a moral high horse and start judging others.
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Post by communistworkethic » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:19 am

everyone has a moral compass, it's just that they don't all point the same way. Think about those lovely lads the Krays - loved their mum, the streets were safer when they were about, well according to the older cast members of eastenders.
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Post by bobo the clown » Sat Nov 15, 2008 9:53 am

Verbal wrote:............. I got off the number eight bus in Farnworth town centre, making the measily 50yard walk to get a cab. In between, I got set upon by a gang of 'lads (well, I can't even say that, as I'd swear blind one of them was in his 30s at least) who decided to knock us out on the floor and kick the crap out of me outside the bus station, sending me to hospital this time.
... reality is that you were a hairsbreath from being killed. Probably manslaughter rather than murder as the action was foolish & abhorent rather than intended to kill ... but when you are being kicked to the body & head it's all too easy to get hit in the wrong place.

Anyone who does that SHOULD be liable for huge penalty, but it doesn't happen.

In baby P's case there was systematic, planned, knowing abuse and avoidance of proper care afterwards. Against a totally defenceless child too. There can be, quite simply, no excuse. A single unplanned loss of control is bad enough, what these people did is unfathomable.

It sounds like Social Workers and the Social Services let him down & some will pay for that, but if we are too quick to judge we will lose focus on the people who are to blame ... the 3 b'stards who will be sentenced soon. But too lightly in all probability.
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Post by Soldier_Of_The_White_Army » Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:40 am

The best sentence they could receive, is to be placed in general population in which ever prison they go to. Then let the inmates, slowly and callously, go about issuing them the very same injuries baby P received. Then letting them lay there slowly dying like that poor soul, that is now surely sitting next to God, with his hand on the 'burn in hell for all eternity' lever, just waiting for mummy and daddy to arrive,

May the misery and suffering be eternal!
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