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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by William the White » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:56 pm

The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:24 pm

It's Tracy Emin - it's a neon bloody sign, man.
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:39 pm

William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
He would probably prefer it to My Bed. Me too!
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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:26 pm

William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
Yes - the young Canadian artist who painted the painting on the left was thrilled by that photo with the Emin.
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Post by KeyserSoze » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:27 pm

the one on the left looks great.
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Post by William the White » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:53 pm

Are we going to get an online gallery with curator's notes?

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Post by KeyserSoze » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:58 pm

I can give you an uneducated's view when i go next week, Bill. I'll take my camera and some photos, too, mainly just to piss off mummy.
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Post by Montreal Wanderer » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:09 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
Yes - the young Canadian artist who painted the painting on the left was thrilled by that photo with the Emin.
Who is he?
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Post by William the White » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:11 pm

KeyserSoze wrote:I can give you an uneducated's view when i go next week, Bill. I'll take my camera and some photos, too, mainly just to piss off mummy.
Excellent.

I'm hoping to catch it myself in June. :D

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Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:34 pm

William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
TRUST ME!...Bet all the blokes with their names on the post-it notes in her tent are having a right old laugh at that one.. :lol:
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Post by William the White » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:56 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
TRUST ME!...Bet all the blokes with their names on the post-it notes in her tent are having a right old laugh at that one.. :lol:
The men in Emin's life are famous for enjoying a right old laugh. As is she.

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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:28 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
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William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
Yes - the young Canadian artist who painted the painting on the left was thrilled by that photo with the Emin.
Who is he?
Andrew Salgado.
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mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
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mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
Yes - the young Canadian artist who painted the painting on the left was thrilled by that photo with the Emin.
Who is he?
Andrew Salgado.
A quick check shows you to be correct - he describes your photo as "Just me & Emin chillaxin'", while Michael James O'Donoghue claims this was taken at his office.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Wed Apr 30, 2014 10:20 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
Yes - the young Canadian artist who painted the painting on the left was thrilled by that photo with the Emin.
Why? One's a fantastic piece of work, the other's a neon sign? Please don't tell me that you've fallen into the 'gullible shithead' club as well. Even I've sketched designs for neon sign makers to reproduce, several of them. Seriously. Hey, maybe I should exhibit? My bedroom floor's a fecking sight to behold. :lol:
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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu May 01, 2014 2:05 am

Bruce Rioja wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:
William the White wrote:The neon is Tracy Emin, I imagine. Have you invited Tango to a private view yet?
Yes - the young Canadian artist who painted the painting on the left was thrilled by that photo with the Emin.
Why? One's a fantastic piece of work, the other's a neon sign? Please don't tell me that you've fallen into the 'gullible shithead' club as well.
Why was he thrilled? I don't know - you'd have to ask him!

As for me - it looks good outside our lecture theatre, provides a nice splash of light and colour and gives genuine pause for thought when you think about how bitter that phrase 'Trust Me' is likely to be for her, given the life she's had. If that makes me a gullible shithead then sign me up!
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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu May 01, 2014 1:08 pm

mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

As for me - it looks good outside our lecture theatre, provides a nice splash of light and colour and gives genuine pause for thought when you think about how bitter that phrase 'Trust Me' is likely to be for her, given the life she's had. If that makes me a gullible shithead then sign me up!
Great or not,we need to define the word "art" away from the common conception of it. I'm beginning to see the light. Great art, it seems, has little to do with the ability to draw,paint of carve sculptures, but a burning desire to say something, even if that something is a load of bollox. Tracey Emin's lifetime subject, at which she's achieved fame and fortune, it seems, is the word "Me". Hard to relate that to Vincent Van Gogh who never sold a painting in his life and died in poverty.

I fully accept I'll never be asked to join "The Great Art Appreciation Society" . I'll do my best to manage.
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Post by mummywhycantieatcrayons » Thu May 01, 2014 1:24 pm

TANGODANCER wrote: Great art, it seems, has little to do with the ability to draw,paint of carve sculptures, but a burning desire to say something,
Works for me!
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Re: The Great Art Debate

Post by William the White » Thu May 01, 2014 2:01 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

As for me - it looks good outside our lecture theatre, provides a nice splash of light and colour and gives genuine pause for thought when you think about how bitter that phrase 'Trust Me' is likely to be for her, given the life she's had. If that makes me a gullible shithead then sign me up!
Great or not,we need to define the word "art" away from the common conception of it. I'm beginning to see the light. Great art, it seems, has little to do with the ability to draw,paint of carve sculptures, but a burning desire to say something, even if that something is a load of bollox. Tracey Emin's lifetime subject, at which she's achieved fame and fortune, it seems, is the word "Me". Hard to relate that to Vincent Van Gogh who never sold a painting in his life and died in poverty.

I fully accept I'll never be asked to join "The Great Art Appreciation Society" . I'll do my best to manage.
What is this common conception of great art? Where can I find it?

Or is it simply identical with your taste? Are you in fact talking 'all about me'?

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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu May 01, 2014 2:18 pm

William the White wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

As for me - it looks good outside our lecture theatre, provides a nice splash of light and colour and gives genuine pause for thought when you think about how bitter that phrase 'Trust Me' is likely to be for her, given the life she's had. If that makes me a gullible shithead then sign me up!
Great or not,we need to define the word "art" away from the common conception of it. I'm beginning to see the light. Great art, it seems, has little to do with the ability to draw,paint of carve sculptures, but a burning desire to say something, even if that something is a load of bollox. Tracey Emin's lifetime subject, at which she's achieved fame and fortune, it seems, is the word "Me". Hard to relate that to Vincent Van Gogh who never sold a painting in his life and died in poverty.

I fully accept I'll never be asked to join "The Great Art Appreciation Society" . I'll do my best to manage.
What is this common conception of great art? Where can I find it?

Or is it simply identical with your taste? Are you in fact talking 'all about me'?

No Will, I'm not talking "all about me", but forgive me for intruding. You were the one who brought me into it, were you not? .
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Post by William the White » Thu May 01, 2014 2:25 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
William the White wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:
mummywhycantieatcrayons wrote:

As for me - it looks good outside our lecture theatre, provides a nice splash of light and colour and gives genuine pause for thought when you think about how bitter that phrase 'Trust Me' is likely to be for her, given the life she's had. If that makes me a gullible shithead then sign me up!
Great or not,we need to define the word "art" away from the common conception of it. I'm beginning to see the light. Great art, it seems, has little to do with the ability to draw,paint of carve sculptures, but a burning desire to say something, even if that something is a load of bollox. Tracey Emin's lifetime subject, at which she's achieved fame and fortune, it seems, is the word "Me". Hard to relate that to Vincent Van Gogh who never sold a painting in his life and died in poverty.

I fully accept I'll never be asked to join "The Great Art Appreciation Society" . I'll do my best to manage.
What is this common conception of great art? Where can I find it?

Or is it simply identical with your taste? Are you in fact talking 'all about me'?

No Will, I'm not talking "all about me", but forgive me for intruding.
Are you affronted? I don't think you're intruding into anything when you offer an opinion.

So, let's try again. If this 'common conception' isn't simply you talking about your personal taste, where does it exist? Because I think that art has always been a contended space - at least where artists have had the liberty to experiment.

You mention Van Gogh - who was such an innovator that he was totally rejected by the art establishment of his time. And, indeed, there's plenty on here who think he's gash. So he was certainly not part of any common conception of great art in his own time. didn't stop him being a great artist though.

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