Today I'm angry about.....

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

Indeed. Fair point, about getting the ball, and I damn straight won't be doing it again. I'm guilty of trying to save them a run and make sure they get to play as much of the ninety mins as poss. I'd done it all game. If I hadn't got the ball it would have taken them another twenty secs to get it and our keeper would have been back. I'm a qualified coach, not ref, and I absolutely hate running the line, because I don't get to see the game and for my privilege I get d*ckheads twenty yards back questioning every call. But I do it, because it's needed to help the refs out. This one, watched a 16 year old lad(he could have been up to 18, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) throw a ball in a strop against a match official. He then, when I called him on it, said it was OK. I was >< that close to telling him to stick his flag up his arse. If there had been longer than 5 mins left, and if there wasn't the question of the club being fined I would have.

Why can't a parent run the line on your behalf? And, if no-one's willing, why not put it into the Parent's Charter for the club?

As for people questioning every call - this is where the focus of developing footballing talent is woefully out of sight. Had I been running the line, I'd have been tempted to purposefully give my team a shit decision, to make sure that my players would not question it. If they did, then we'd have a word at the end. I've done it with adults before (when we had seen a spate of 14 bookings for dissent in 6 games), and I've given many bollockings as a result. The "win at all costs" culture comes from the parents who think they're fecking Mini Wengers, and think that, because their children are involved, gives them carte blanche to treat a bog-standard game that should be an educational tool like the World Cup Final.

Anyway, today I'm angry about a parent who proclaimed me as a "poor role model" in front of 30 children at school, because on Friday I was (legally) parked in a part of the road that parents have been asked not to park. Whether it wasn't school protocol for me to park there isn't obvious - I still haven't been told - but what a way to potentially eradicate any respect the children have for me.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Indeed. Fair point, about getting the ball, and I damn straight won't be doing it again. I'm guilty of trying to save them a run and make sure they get to play as much of the ninety mins as poss. I'd done it all game. If I hadn't got the ball it would have taken them another twenty secs to get it and our keeper would have been back. I'm a qualified coach, not ref, and I absolutely hate running the line, because I don't get to see the game and for my privilege I get d*ckheads twenty yards back questioning every call. But I do it, because it's needed to help the refs out. This one, watched a 16 year old lad(he could have been up to 18, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) throw a ball in a strop against a match official. He then, when I called him on it, said it was OK. I was >< that close to telling him to stick his flag up his arse. If there had been longer than 5 mins left, and if there wasn't the question of the club being fined I would have.

Why can't a parent run the line on your behalf? And, if no-one's willing, why not put it into the Parent's Charter for the club?

As for people questioning every call - this is where the focus of developing footballing talent is woefully out of sight. Had I been running the line, I'd have been tempted to purposefully give my team a shit decision, to make sure that my players would not question it. If they did, then we'd have a word at the end. I've done it with adults before (when we had seen a spate of 14 bookings for dissent in 6 games), and I've given many bollockings as a result. The "win at all costs" culture comes from the parents who think they're fecking Mini Wengers, and think that, because their children are involved, gives them carte blanche to treat a bog-standard game that should be an educational tool like the World Cup Final.

Anyway, today I'm angry about a parent who proclaimed me as a "poor role model" in front of 30 children at school, because on Friday I was (legally) parked in a part of the road that parents have been asked not to park. Whether it wasn't school protocol for me to park there isn't obvious - I still haven't been told - but what a way to potentially eradicate any respect the children have for me.

The only way to gain their respect back would be to chin this tosser who said that to you.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

What, and teach children that it's OK to hit women?

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Ahhh...in that case, did she have a fat arse? Might be worth bearing in mind for a comeback next time

[Prufrock]

Indeed. Fair point, about getting the ball, and I damn straight won't be doing it again. I'm guilty of trying to save them a run and make sure they get to play as much of the ninety mins as poss. I'd done it all game. If I hadn't got the ball it would have taken them another twenty secs to get it and our keeper would have been back. I'm a qualified coach, not ref, and I absolutely hate running the line, because I don't get to see the game and for my privilege I get d*ckheads twenty yards back questioning every call. But I do it, because it's needed to help the refs out. This one, watched a 16 year old lad(he could have been up to 18, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) throw a ball in a strop against a match official. He then, when I called him on it, said it was OK. I was >< that close to telling him to stick his flag up his arse. If there had been longer than 5 mins left, and if there wasn't the question of the club being fined I would have.

Why can't a parent run the line on your behalf? And, if no-one's willing, why not put it into the Parent's Charter for the club?

As for people questioning every call - this is where the focus of developing footballing talent is woefully out of sight. Had I been running the line, I'd have been tempted to purposefully give my team a shit decision, to make sure that my players would not question it. If they did, then we'd have a word at the end. I've done it with adults before (when we had seen a spate of 14 bookings for dissent in 6 games), and I've given many bollockings as a result. The "win at all costs" culture comes from the parents who think they're fecking Mini Wengers, and think that, because their children are involved, gives them carte blanche to treat a bog-standard game that should be an educational tool like the World Cup Final.

Anyway, today I'm angry about a parent who proclaimed me as a "poor role model" in front of 30 children at school, because on Friday I was (legally) parked in a part of the road that parents have been asked not to park. Whether it wasn't school protocol for me to park there isn't obvious - I still haven't been told - but what a way to potentially eradicate any respect the children have for me.

We as a club don't really get many parents down to watch us at that level. I'm not the manager, just the coach, and me and the assistant tend to take it in turns to run the line. As for those questioning every call, predictably, it usually isn't the lads, rather their parents. For some reason teams at that level seem to vary between no parents coming down, and a small crowd of them. The teams whose parents do come down still tend to be the worse for backchat, which suggests it is a direct influence.

I was still raging about the incident all morning, little b*stard, but more the ref.

[Prufrock]

Blimey.

Sorry guys but if that his attitude to a simple throw in, then the mind boggles. Sounds typical of the sideline “get stuck in" " get it forward" comments I hear at most junior parks games I come across.

Win at all costs at this level just encourages the well built lads at that age in favour of the most skilful. What we sow is what we reap!

Bet it was played at full adult pitch size too!!!

Well, speaking with a bit of experience as I refereed an adults game on Saturday and an Under-15's game yesterday both with club assistants I have two comments to make on your contribution, BGOE.

1. What size pitch do you think Under 16's play on - anywhere in Europe?

2. Had I been refereeing this game and had I seen the incident (I wouldn't take a club assistant's word for it) I would have given said little scrote a straight red.

Calling someone a tit after assuming that this game should be played on a smaller pitch leaves you open to ridicule, old chap.

It's the ref I'm more annoyed at. The kid is going to keep doing it if he gets away with it. He definitely saw it. In the middle of an FA much publicised campaign important campaign to emphasise respect for referees, for one of their own to turn round and justify a player throwing a ball at an assistant for any reason is unbelievable. What about the example it sets, what if next week one of my lads throws a ball at the assistant, what am I supposed to say when he gets sent off? Well, of course I'm going to bollock them, but it puts me in an awkward position. What if one of our lads had taken offence with one of his decisions and thrown the ball at him, somehow I doubt he'd have been quite so lenient. Argh.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

Blimey.

Sorry guys but if that his attitude to a simple throw in, then the mind boggles. Sounds typical of the sideline “get stuck in" " get it forward" comments I hear at most junior parks games I come across.

Win at all costs at this level just encourages the well built lads at that age in favour of the most skilful. What we sow is what we reap!

Bet it was played at full adult pitch size too!!!

Well, speaking with a bit of experience as I refereed an adults game on Saturday and an Under-15's game yesterday both with club assistants I have two comments to make on your contribution, BGOE.

1. What size pitch do you think Under 16's play on - anywhere in Europe?

2. Had I been refereeing this game and had I seen the incident (I wouldn't take a club assistant's word for it) I would have given said little scrote a straight red.

Calling someone a tit after assuming that this game should be played on a smaller pitch leaves you open to ridicule, old chap.

It's the ref I'm more annoyed at. The kid is going to keep doing it if he gets away with it. He definitely saw it. In the middle of an FA much publicised campaign important campaign to emphasise respect for referees, for one of their own to turn round and justify a player throwing a ball at an assistant for any reason is unbelievable. What about the example it sets, what if next week one of my lads throws a ball at the assistant, what am I supposed to say when he gets sent off? Well, of course I'm going to bollock them, but it puts me in an awkward position. What if one of our lads had taken offence with one of his decisions and thrown the ball at him, somehow I doubt he'd have been quite so lenient. Argh.

You are right to be angry. That was a shocking call by the referee - and I will always defend the officials when I can. The little get should have got a straight red for throwing the ball in the direction of the assistant, never mind hitting him with the ball. Indefensible.

[Harry Genshaw]

There's reading between the lines and then there's making sh*t up. We got beat 14-2. I'm fairly sure that wasn't the ref's fault. Almost as equally sure as I am I didn't suggest it was. What I suggested was the ref's fault was that some scrotey little tw*t threw the ball at my head in a paddy and he, whilst I'm doing him a favour, justified it because I didn't give the ball that I'd retrieved to them until our keeper was back. If I hadn't gone to get it, they wouldn't have been in a position to catch us out but that is far, far away from the point. A sixteen year old lad (playing on an adult pitch since he's playing under 18s) throws the ball at me whilst I'm giving up my time. Imagine if I'd chinned the little fecker as I well felt like doing. My defence 'he threw the ball at my head'. I'd love to see how that played.

A mate of mine has a son coaching in the US. They have quite a good scheme in youth soccer over there. When one side goes 3-0 up they're not allowed to score another goal until the opposition do. As a result, the best teams go 3 up then try and spend the rest of the game keeping possession and trying not to concede. It strikes me as quite a good idea that would help with defensive as well as general skills that probbaly get overlooked at this level here.

[boltonboris]

There's reading between the lines and then there's making sh*t up. We got beat 14-2. I'm fairly sure that wasn't the ref's fault. Almost as equally sure as I am I didn't suggest it was. What I suggested was the ref's fault was that some scrotey little tw*t threw the ball at my head in a paddy and he, whilst I'm doing him a favour, justified it because I didn't give the ball that I'd retrieved to them until our keeper was back. If I hadn't gone to get it, they wouldn't have been in a position to catch us out but that is far, far away from the point. A sixteen year old lad (playing on an adult pitch since he's playing under 18s) throws the ball at me whilst I'm giving up my time. Imagine if I'd chinned the little fecker as I well felt like doing. My defence 'he threw the ball at my head'. I'd love to see how that played.

A mate of mine has a son coaching in the US. They have quite a good scheme in youth soccer over there. When one side goes 3-0 up they're not allowed to score another goal until the opposition do. As a result, the best teams go 3 up then try and spend the rest of the game keeping possession and trying not to concede. It strikes me as quite a good idea that would help with defensive as well as general skills that probbaly get overlooked at this level here.

It seems a little bit patronising to me though and over here, it would be designed to ensure the precious little kids don't get too downhearted.

Besides, I gather that Prufrock is coaching young adults rather than children, U18's...... most of these lads are probably at college

[Lord Kangana]

I don't even think anger can begin to describe how decrepit our politicians have become.

They need the boss of Top Shop to tell them that central purchasing will save them money? They need f*cking torturing more like.

[William the White]

I don't even think anger can begin to describe how decrepit our politicians have become.

They need the boss of Top Shop to tell them that central purchasing will save them money? They need f*cking torturing more like.

They are preparing to cut a swathe of destruction through the entire social fabric and they are making propaganda on the price of paperclips. Welcome to Tory Britain...

[Hoboh]

I don't even think anger can begin to describe how decrepit our politicians have become.

They need the boss of Top Shop to tell them that central purchasing will save them money? They need f*cking torturing more like.

They are preparing to cut a swathe of destruction through the entire social fabric and they are making propaganda on the price of paperclips. Welcome to Tory Britain...

You mean they are about to rock the socialist love tub boat William and stop labours nanny state.
I'd have thought by now a clever bloke like you would be appalled at the extent of Browns incompatence thats being revealed more each passing day.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't even think anger can begin to describe how decrepit our politicians have become.

They need the boss of Top Shop to tell them that central purchasing will save them money? They need f*cking torturing more like.

They are preparing to cut a swathe of destruction through the entire social fabric and they are making propaganda on the price of paperclips. Welcome to Tory Britain...

You mean they are about to rock the socialist love tub boat William and stop labours nanny state.
I'd have thought by now a clever bloke like you would be appalled at the extent of Browns incompatence thats being revealed more each passing day.

The only thing thats being revealed is the Tories desire to slash and burn. They are rubbing their hands together with glee at the opportunity to rip away everything, leaving the fat cats at the top of the private sector to sweep clean.

Its the usual Tory policy only this time unfortuneately they've been handed a rather convenient mandate thanks to greedy bankers (who Cameron and his cronies don't like to mention especially as they are once again revelling in bonus land whilst the country is taken to the dogs) and the global recession.

Once Cameron and his cronies are ousted their party won't be back for a long long long time. Thats the only satisfaction I can take from this.

[thebish]

I don't even think anger can begin to describe how decrepit our politicians have become.

They need the boss of Top Shop to tell them that central purchasing will save them money? They need f*cking torturing more like.

I suspect Top Shop and the UK economy are slightly different beasts - but, whatever - wouldn't a huge new centralised procurement strategy be slighty at odds with the small government/localism/decentralisation/anti-central-beaurocracy mantras of the government?

[thebish]

I don't even think anger can begin to describe how decrepit our politicians have become.

They need the boss of Top Shop to tell them that central purchasing will save them money? They need f*cking torturing more like.

They are preparing to cut a swathe of destruction through the entire social fabric and they are making propaganda on the price of paperclips. Welcome to Tory Britain...

You mean they are about to rock the socialist love tub boat William and stop labours nanny state.

I always thought the phrase "nanny state" referred to the govt. interfering un-necessarily in aspects of our lives they should keep their noses out of...

if so - then how is "supporting" marriage with tax bribes NOT being a nanny state?

this Govt is just as "nanny" as any other - it's just that they have a different set of nursery rules.

[ratbert]

This government's nannyism is to leave the kids to play on their own and say 'it wasn't me' when the house has been trashed afterwards...

[Gary the Enfield]

This government's nannyism is to leave the kids to play on their own and say 'it wasn't me' when the house has been trashed afterwards...

Gets my goat, it does.

[bobo the clown]

Shouldn't the last 10 or so posts be on the Politics thread ?

Bringing politics into this thread makes me angry !!

Well, annoyed anyway ... or peevish .... miffed, maybe. Churlish anyone ? Curmudgeonly then.

[Worthy4England]

Shouldn't the last 10 or so posts be on the Politics thread ?

Bringing politics into this thread makes me angry !!

Well, annoyed anyway ... or peevish .... miffed, maybe. Churlish anyone ? Curmudgeonly then.

Maybe you should start a new thread so we could discuss it?

[Hoboh]

Shouldn't the last 10 or so posts be on the Politics thread ?

Bringing politics into this thread makes me angry !!

Well, annoyed anyway ... or peevish .... miffed, maybe. Churlish anyone ? Curmudgeonly then.

Maybe you should start a new thread so we could discuss it?

http://www.the-wanderer.co.uk/boards/vi ... 230#577230

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