The Politics Thread

[Hoboh]

Put money into a better road & parking system then we would not have any overcrowding on the trains
On the NHS people should look after their own general health more and stop clogging up the system with minor ailments, a cold is uncomfortable but you are not feckin' dying and if your fat change your diet, in fact if we all watched what we ate and drunk the NHS would be millions better off and those who really need treatment would get it. Many drugs on prescription only should be allowed on the free market to buy like steroid creams as in Spain and other places buy them on prescription and the NHS is paying over the odds for them.

Seeing this is the politics thread why if the government are so concerned about "yoof" unemployment do we not tell all migrant workers their jobs are finished in 2015 and they and any dependants have to leave and fill these jobs with our unemployed "yoof" of course this would require us telling Strasburg to get stuffed but that is not before time!

[William the White]

Put money into a better road & parking system then we would not have any overcrowding on the trains
On the NHS people should look after their own general health more and stop clogging up the system with minor ailments, a cold is uncomfortable but you are not feckin' dying and if your fat change your diet, in fact if we all watched what we ate and drunk the NHS would be millions better off and those who really need treatment would get it. Many drugs on prescription only should be allowed on the free market to buy like steroid creams as in Spain and other places buy them on prescription and the NHS is paying over the odds for them.

Seeing this is the politics thread why if the government are so concerned about "yoof" unemployment do we not tell all migrant workers their jobs are finished in 2015 and they and any dependants have to leave and fill these jobs with our unemployed "yoof" of course this would require us telling Strasburg to get stuffed but that is not before time!

You've obviously thought about this - why do you think it is?

[Hoboh]

Put money into a better road & parking system then we would not have any overcrowding on the trains
On the NHS people should look after their own general health more and stop clogging up the system with minor ailments, a cold is uncomfortable but you are not feckin' dying and if your fat change your diet, in fact if we all watched what we ate and drunk the NHS would be millions better off and those who really need treatment would get it. Many drugs on prescription only should be allowed on the free market to buy like steroid creams as in Spain and other places buy them on prescription and the NHS is paying over the odds for them.

Seeing this is the politics thread why if the government are so concerned about "yoof" unemployment do we not tell all migrant workers their jobs are finished in 2015 and they and any dependants have to leave and fill these jobs with our unemployed "yoof" of course this would require us telling Strasburg to get stuffed but that is not before time!

You've obviously thought about this - why do you think it is?

The fable is William that these jobs would be done by no others but now we are in a situation that requires slashing of a benefit dependant culture we need jobs for these people, real jobs not putting them in Tesco's and the like to provide subsidised labour for already profit bloated companies. Don't get me wrong it is not the total answer to the problem overseas spending in wars and aid does not help along with tax evasion and general waste, but it’s a start. Unfortunately we are slowly coming upon the start of WW3 in the middle East were our oil supplies are in total jeopardy and this will make the current recession look like a walk in the park.

[William the White]

Hoboh - who do you think WW3 will be fought between?

This is a genuine question. Your post above puzzles me.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I sat through (literally, like all those 12-hour rail journey horror stories, I was there) the great restructuring done late 90's early 2000's when the West Coast Mainline was being upgraded. With public money, lets be clear. And thats the issue. The service has improved, but we've paid for it, like we always did. So why do we need shareholders to take a dividend when they have been the minority investors?

How much, nett, do we think the private sector has put in? Anyone got the numbers?

It concerns me that when we're talking about a £4BN subsidy that is almost three times what was needed prior to the great privatisation feck up - folk want to criticise the salary of the workers

It's not really a question of criticism... just, factually, what percentage of what's spent (and therefore subsidised) is wages, and is it out of line with other countries (which, after all, is what people want to rush to in terms of price comparisons). Does even asking these questions 'concern' you?

[BWFC_Insane]

Put money into a better road & parking system then we would not have any overcrowding on the trains
On the NHS people should look after their own general health more and stop clogging up the system with minor ailments, a cold is uncomfortable but you are not feckin' dying and if your fat change your diet, in fact if we all watched what we ate and drunk the NHS would be millions better off and those who really need treatment would get it. Many drugs on prescription only should be allowed on the free market to buy like steroid creams as in Spain and other places buy them on prescription and the NHS is paying over the odds for them.

Seeing this is the politics thread why if the government are so concerned about "yoof" unemployment do we not tell all migrant workers their jobs are finished in 2015 and they and any dependants have to leave and fill these jobs with our unemployed "yoof" of course this would require us telling Strasburg to get stuffed but that is not before time!

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

[BWFC_Insane]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

Such as?

[thebish]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

Such as?

tax breaks for people who can run 5K in less than 30mins!

[BWFC_Insane]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

Such as?

tax breaks for people who can run 5K in less than 30mins!

More likely to be tax breaks for those who can ride a former police horse without anyone noticing for half an hour without falling off.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

Such as?

I'm not sure.

But you have told me that it's not fair to compare our healthcare outcomes to places like Singapore because of lifestyle factors affecting the results. Now, it's only part of the picture there, but I like the fact that there are financial incentives not to self harm there.

Generally, I am a big fan of people having to consider the costs of their actions before they do anything. Perhaps this makes me a miserable bastard. For example, I think it would be desirable if everyone playing rugby at a weekend had to put a couple of pounds into the pot that paid for all hospital treatment of rugby injuries that weekend.

And if smoking or not taking measures within one's control to address a weight problem means that certain proceures become less cost effective, then I think it's appropriate to ask people to people to change their lifestyle choices before they can have the procedure.

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[The Axman]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

Such as?

I'm not sure.

But you have told me that it's not fair to compare our healthcare outcomes to places like Singapore because of lifestyle factors affecting the results. Now, it's only part of the picture there, but I like the fact that there are financial incentives not to self harm there.
Generally, I am a big fan of people having to consider the costs of their actions before they do anything. Perhaps this makes me a miserable bastard. For example, I think it would be desirable if everyone playing rugby at a weekend had to put a couple of pounds into the pot that paid for all hospital treatment of rugby injuries that weekend.

And if smoking or not taking measures within one's control to address a weight problem means that certain proceures become less cost effective, then I think it's appropriate to ask people to people to change their lifestyle choices before they can have the procedure.

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How stunning. Do you get an annual bonus if you refrain from executing your fellow Singaporeans Dereck Bird-style too?

[Worthy4England]

Hoboh - who do you think WW3 will be fought between?

This is a genuine question. Your post above puzzles me.

The Planet Hoboh Supreme Guard, and everyone else...

It's all fairly clear when you think about it.

[The Axman]

Hoboh - who do you think WW3 will be fought between?

This is a genuine question. Your post above puzzles me.

The Planet Hoboh Supreme Guard, and everyone else...

It's all fairly clear when you think about it.

To be fair, WWIII will be fought by everybody against everybody else. That's the very nature of a world war isn't it? that it's world-wide.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

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Pathetic. It's incredible how much presumed innocence until guilt is proven has fallen out of fashion. Is this what passes for debate in Cambridge these days?

[Bruce Rioja]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Ac ... 032012.htm

Pathetic. It's incredible how much presumed innocence until guilt is proven has fallen out of fashion. Is this what passes for debate in Cambridge these days?

I thought Strauss-Kahn was a forthcoming boxing match

[Worthy4England]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Ac ... 032012.htm

Pathetic. It's incredible how much presumed innocence until guilt is proven has fallen out of fashion. Is this what passes for debate in Cambridge these days?

I agree, the need solid evidence relating to the graffiti sprayers, before we can condemn them.

As for "debate in Cambridge these days", you were hardly there in the "olden days" yersel.

But I guess that wasn't what you were getting at. On the DSK front. He's already admitted that he attended "sex parties". Now without presuming anything in relation to his guilt, I have a sneaking suspicion that the ex-head of the IMF, is probably bright enough to know that generally, lots of nekkid people of the opposite sex, young enough to be your daughter, wanting sex with you, isn't really the norm.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think that bit in bold is the most sense you've ever talked. But how do you achieve that? Our society is not exactly "looking after itself" and thats a big part of the problem.

Put the right incentives/discincentives in place?

Such as?

I'm not sure.

But you have told me that it's not fair to compare our healthcare outcomes to places like Singapore because of lifestyle factors affecting the results. Now, it's only part of the picture there, but I like the fact that there are financial incentives not to self harm there.

Generally, I am a big fan of people having to consider the costs of their actions before they do anything. Perhaps this makes me a miserable bastard. For example, I think it would be desirable if everyone playing rugby at a weekend had to put a couple of pounds into the pot that paid for all hospital treatment of rugby injuries that weekend.

And if smoking or not taking measures within one's control to address a weight problem means that certain proceures become less cost effective, then I think it's appropriate to ask people to people to change their lifestyle choices before they can have the procedure.

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Minefield there though.

Where do you draw the line and how?

Take a 75 year old man who has mouth cancer, and smokes one cigar a week. Otherwise healthy. He's refused treatment because he's smoked a cigar for 40 years. Daily Mail muller the hospital refusing treatment.

Now take a 40 year old chainsmoker who has suffered kidney failure as a result of a non-smoking related illness. They are refused treatment because they smoke. Daily Mail say, great making people take responsibility.

Its going to be impossible to justify one and not the other, and its going to be really hard to decide where lines are drawn. Sadly most people in society put themselves at risk somehow, smoking, alcohol, over eating, poor nutrition, even exercise presents health risks.

Currently they (The NHS) spend money trying to educate people through TV, posters, campaigns, websites etc.....I'm not sure thats right either. Thats money that could be used to actually treat people.

Not sure there's an easy answer.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Home/Ac ... 032012.htm

Pathetic. It's incredible how much presumed innocence until guilt is proven has fallen out of fashion. Is this what passes for debate in Cambridge these days?

I agree, the need solid evidence relating to the graffiti sprayers, before we can condemn them.

As for "debate in Cambridge these days", you were hardly there in the "olden days" yersel.

But I guess that wasn't what you were getting at. On the DSK front. He's already admitted that he attended "sex parties". Now without presuming anything in relation to his guilt, I have a sneaking suspicion that the ex-head of the IMF, is probably bright enough to know that generally, lots of nekkid people of the opposite sex, young enough to be your daughter, wanting sex with you, isn't really the norm.

Ha, 'these days' was tongue in cheek.

As for the guilt... I was actually talking about the chambermaid case in New York. (Very weird set of facts and absolutely stinks - there was a good account of it in the FT Weekend a few weeks ago.)

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Minefield there though.

Where do you draw the line and how?

Well, quite - but the minefield exists and there ARE people currently engaged in drawing that line, as you can see.