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Post by The_Gun » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:46 am

Controversial question: How many of us wouldn’t mind a defeat on Saturday if it led to Evatt being moved on?

Overall I’d rather we won, but I definitely wouldn’t be too upset if we lost and it precipitated a change.

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Sep 19, 2024 9:24 am

The_Gun wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:46 am
Controversial question: How many of us wouldn’t mind a defeat on Saturday if it led to Evatt being moved on?

Overall I’d rather we won, but I definitely wouldn’t be too upset if we lost and it precipitated a change.
Certainly don't want us to get beat, but I might see the possibility of more upsides than normal should it occur.

The problem I have is, after Ian's just very publicly aired his linen on the lines of "someone tell me that they love me" - what with proclamations about needing to talk to the Board 5 games in - and getting the backing, removing some of the road crew (if the reports are to be believed) etc. That would now maybe look like more of a knee jerk than it would've last week.

In the event, I think we win this one. After all, Ian's had a little Board cuddle now - talks about the team needing to be brave, back themselves, be confident - well Ian - tone comes from the top, mate, running to check with your Mum that you're still ok only sends out the message that maybe you're not.

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Post by TANGODANCER » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:15 am

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Controversial question: How many of us wouldn’t mind a defeat on Saturday if it led to Evatt being moved on?
Not sure how anyone can truthfully answer that without the question of personal dislike overpowering reason? A manager who almost got us promoted being replaced by a blind man's bluff, maverick gamble? Doesn't promise much if anything other than possibly lucky dip odds on success. For me, this is a real "Devil you know" situation versus baby and bath water option. My own answer wold be that defeat is no answer to anything except maybe landing on a snake when a ladder is an option. Ian Evatt has failings, who doesn't, but he almost got us there. That was a better result than most of the available queue of grail-quest Sir Gallahads. I've already stated a possible personal choice ( Kevin Nolan) if the axe should fall. I'd rather it didn't. Que Sera... :oyea:

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:32 am

I do think Evatt is a different case than some. Sometimes, you're seeing something where it's pretty obvious (as an opinion) that Manager X is getting you relegated. At that point maybe you do sometimes think "They've got to be out, if they lose this next one."

I certainly don't dislike Evatt, personally (Never met the bloke).Takes too much effort. That's not the same thing at all as me not being convinced he's the guy taking us up, or not liking possession football the way we execute it, or any one of a number of things I yhink we've been deficient on.

I also don't think he's done a bad job (in the round) and I don't think he's taking us down, albeit like he says winning is a habit, so's losing. I wouldn't have expected losing to Charlton and Exeter. You could see the possibility with Hudds, but that was a mauling. His yardstick is promotion, not we avoided relegation. This year, with the improve every year narrative, there is ONLY promotion that would do that, although a shock FA Cup win would probably get him another year. :-)

Almost got us there and got us there aren't the same thing. The miss is as good as a mile.

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Post by boltonboris » Thu Sep 19, 2024 11:34 am

The_Gun wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:46 am
Controversial question: How many of us wouldn’t mind a defeat on Saturday if it led to Evatt being moved on?

Overall I’d rather we won, but I definitely wouldn’t be too upset if we lost and it precipitated a change.
Nope. Never.
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Post by officer_dibble » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:25 pm

I laughed at the ridiculousness of the fourth on Saturday and my reaction to a 4-0 was that should be that…. But wanting us to lose. Nope.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:28 pm

officer_dibble wrote:
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I laughed at the ridiculousness of the fourth on Saturday and my reaction to a 4-0 was that should be that…. But wanting us to lose. Nope.
This for me too - tho’ like Worthy, if it does happen I will be thinking “maybe now?”

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:38 pm

I'd never want to see us lose but equally I'm not sure a win on Saturday will shift the dark cloud that Evatt referred to. For any of us.

Speaking of dark clouds, perhaps it's as well we're playing Reading this weekend. They're certainly one group of fans at the moment who could say;
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Post by Bertie Wooster » Thu Sep 19, 2024 12:46 pm

This dark cloud is actually Ian Evatt and his over complicated tactics.

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Post by Harry Genshaw » Thu Sep 19, 2024 1:02 pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
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This dark cloud is actually Ian Evatt and his over complicated tactics.
Ultimately yes. Personally speaking he was right though. Whilst I still love going to games some of that enthusiasm has certainly been dampened since Wembley. Despite the large crowds, superb for division 3, you could detect a more subdued atmosphere for Wrexham & Huddersfield, compared to last year's league games.
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Post by Bertie Wooster » Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm

3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !

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Post by DJBlu » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?

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Post by Worthy4England » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:43 pm

DJBlu wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?
As in "Is was somone else Guv?' No ,100% not.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 pm

DJBlu wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?
No because it’s absolute bollocks just like Evatt pretending he’s some hero today when in reality he’s Phil Neal MK 2 though infinitely more unpleasant.

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Post by irie Cee Bee » Fri Sep 20, 2024 2:02 am

The_Gun wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:46 am
Controversial question: How many of us wouldn’t mind a defeat on Saturday if it led to Evatt being moved on?

Overall I’d rather we won, but I definitely wouldn’t be too upset if we lost and it precipitated a change.
I want us to win.. always.. no matter who the manager is. I hope we win on Saturday but dont expect us to because of Evatt. He is lucky to still have the job.

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Post by DJBlu » Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:28 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 pm
DJBlu wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?
No because it’s absolute bollocks just like Evatt pretending he’s some hero today when in reality he’s Phil Neal MK 2 though infinitely more unpleasant.
Why does everything have to be a personal attack? We get you don't like people.

Sam Hird left when we were in the ascendancy and Craddock is leaving with us with 13 wins in 40 odd. Not saying there is a direct correlation but it's clear there is something wrong.

I would've been worried had nothing been done. What if Evatt wanted to keep him and he actually was an issue. Rumours are flying the players are pissed at something, could it be they voiced their concerns and Evatt told them to wind their necks in as he's keeping Craddock?

If he's replaced with someone better and it turns it around are you still going to let your blind hatred of people stop you enjoying what is essentially a game?

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Post by DJBlu » Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:30 am

The_Gun wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:46 am
Controversial question: How many of us wouldn’t mind a defeat on Saturday if it led to Evatt being moved on?

Overall I’d rather we won, but I definitely wouldn’t be too upset if we lost and it precipitated a change.
Never want Bolton to lose. Have sometimes before games thought it wouldn't matter if we did, like Arsenal away. Or the pizza cup to concentrate on the league.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:08 am

DJBlu wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:28 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 pm
DJBlu wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?
No because it’s absolute bollocks just like Evatt pretending he’s some hero today when in reality he’s Phil Neal MK 2 though infinitely more unpleasant.
Why does everything have to be a personal attack? We get you don't like people.

Sam Hird left when we were in the ascendancy and Craddock is leaving with us with 13 wins in 40 odd. Not saying there is a direct correlation but it's clear there is something wrong.

I would've been worried had nothing been done. What if Evatt wanted to keep him and he actually was an issue. Rumours are flying the players are pissed at something, could it be they voiced their concerns and Evatt told them to wind their necks in as he's keeping Craddock?

If he's replaced with someone better and it turns it around are you still going to let your blind hatred of people stop you enjoying what is essentially a game?
Why do I have to like a failed manager taking the club nowhere? Why?

I am a Bolton fan not an Evatt fan. When we’ve had good managers historically I am totally onboard.

But when we do not have one combined with an arrogance and unpleasantness I’m afraid I won’t be.

I wonder what’s happened to his bag of receipts?

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Post by DJBlu » Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:39 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:08 am
DJBlu wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:28 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 pm
DJBlu wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?
No because it’s absolute bollocks just like Evatt pretending he’s some hero today when in reality he’s Phil Neal MK 2 though infinitely more unpleasant.
Why does everything have to be a personal attack? We get you don't like people.

Sam Hird left when we were in the ascendancy and Craddock is leaving with us with 13 wins in 40 odd. Not saying there is a direct correlation but it's clear there is something wrong.

I would've been worried had nothing been done. What if Evatt wanted to keep him and he actually was an issue. Rumours are flying the players are pissed at something, could it be they voiced their concerns and Evatt told them to wind their necks in as he's keeping Craddock?

If he's replaced with someone better and it turns it around are you still going to let your blind hatred of people stop you enjoying what is essentially a game?
Why do I have to like a failed manager taking the club nowhere? Why?

I am a Bolton fan not an Evatt fan. When we’ve had good managers historically I am totally onboard.

But when we do not have one combined with an arrogance and unpleasantness I’m afraid I won’t be.

I wonder what’s happened to his bag of receipts?
I doubt you're a fan of many people but that's your problem nobody else's.

I'm sure sure having Bolton manager on his CV is a big enough receipt.

1 of 36.

Fair few that can't say that.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:04 am

DJBlu wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 9:39 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 8:08 am
DJBlu wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2024 7:28 am
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:54 pm
DJBlu wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 8:30 pm
Bertie Wooster wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2024 4:59 pm
3-0 Bolton, our poor form since NYD has been down to Craddock's coaching, should never have appointed him in the first place - just watch us go now !
Will you accept that if it's true?
No because it’s absolute bollocks just like Evatt pretending he’s some hero today when in reality he’s Phil Neal MK 2 though infinitely more unpleasant.
Why does everything have to be a personal attack? We get you don't like people.

Sam Hird left when we were in the ascendancy and Craddock is leaving with us with 13 wins in 40 odd. Not saying there is a direct correlation but it's clear there is something wrong.

I would've been worried had nothing been done. What if Evatt wanted to keep him and he actually was an issue. Rumours are flying the players are pissed at something, could it be they voiced their concerns and Evatt told them to wind their necks in as he's keeping Craddock?

If he's replaced with someone better and it turns it around are you still going to let your blind hatred of people stop you enjoying what is essentially a game?
Why do I have to like a failed manager taking the club nowhere? Why?

I am a Bolton fan not an Evatt fan. When we’ve had good managers historically I am totally onboard.

But when we do not have one combined with an arrogance and unpleasantness I’m afraid I won’t be.

I wonder what’s happened to his bag of receipts?
I doubt you're a fan of many people but that's your problem nobody else's.

I'm sure sure having Bolton manager on his CV is a big enough receipt.

1 of 36.

Fair few that can't say that.
Even fewer can say they sacked their staff to save their own skin.

In an even smaller club of Bolton managers who managed the club in the lower leagues for an extended period.

No he’ll be giving it large after we win tomorrow. But the thought that we will waste another season down here on an ego is painful. I can’t put it any other way.

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