The wonderful EU and Migration thread!

[Hoboh]

The 'Tax dodgers advisor' (HSBC) view of exit.

[Worthy4England]

Michael Gove reckons Cameron's deal with Europe may not be legally binding - errrrr unlike all the high falutin' promises the Brexit campaign are making which aren't actually written down anywhere.....Jog on, cock-end.

Errr not sure how that answers the question I was asking - where are Brexit's terms of what will happen post exit written down? Oh look they're not.

[Hoboh]

Michael Gove reckons Cameron's deal with Europe may not be legally binding - errrrr unlike all the high falutin' promises the Brexit campaign are making which aren't actually written down anywhere.....Jog on, cock-end.

Errr not sure how that answers the question I was asking - where are Brexit's terms of what will happen post exit written down? Oh look they're not.

If we leave, that's fcuking legally binding!

[Worthy4England]

Michael Gove reckons Cameron's deal with Europe may not be legally binding - errrrr unlike all the high falutin' promises the Brexit campaign are making which aren't actually written down anywhere.....Jog on, cock-end.

Errr not sure how that answers the question I was asking - where are Brexit's terms of what will happen post exit written down? Oh look they're not.

If we leave, that's fcuking legally binding!

Great - what will it look like for trading terms? - no idea? thought not....

[Beefheart]

The 'Tax dodgers advisor' (HSBC) view of exit.

You've left out the part that shows the slump in the value in the pound, fall in GDP and rise in inflation.

[Worthy4England]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

[Hoboh]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

Panic fannies, that's all, wait for this summers grief on migrants, consequent fall outs and crash of the Euro!

[Worthy4England]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

Panic fannies, that's all, wait for this summers grief on migrants, consequent fall outs and crash of the Euro!

No panic here...

[Hoboh]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

Panic fannies, that's all, wait for this summers grief on migrants, consequent fall outs and crash of the Euro!

No panic here...

No but you are using the fall of the £ to illustrate just how bad an EU exit is?
Oh look it's raining.
Quick get out of Stirling!
Wasn't that long ago no inflation or negative inflation was a disaster, fcukin' financiers are dicks at any given time

[Beefheart]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

Panic fannies, that's all, wait for this summers grief on migrants, consequent fall outs and crash of the Euro!

No panic here...

No but you are using the fall of the £ to illustrate just how bad an EU exit is?
Oh look it's raining.
Quick get out of Stirling!
Wasn't that long ago no inflation or negative inflation was a disaster, fcukin' financiers are dicks at any given time

Deflation is bad, too much inflation is also bad. That's why the BoE remit is to have inflation at c2%. Maybe read up on basic economics ahead of the referendum, not that I imagine it would change your mind but you might move yourself out of the 'low information' voter demographic.

[Worthy4England]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

Panic fannies, that's all, wait for this summers grief on migrants, consequent fall outs and crash of the Euro!

No panic here...

No but you are using the fall of the £ to illustrate just how bad an EU exit is?
Oh look it's raining.
Quick get out of Stirling!
Wasn't that long ago no inflation or negative inflation was a disaster, fcukin' financiers are dicks at any given time

Who's using the fall of the £ to illustrate how bad an EU exit is? Don't recall mentioning it...

[Hoboh]

^^ funny that, ain't it...

Panic fannies, that's all, wait for this summers grief on migrants, consequent fall outs and crash of the Euro!

No panic here...

No but you are using the fall of the £ to illustrate just how bad an EU exit is?
Oh look it's raining.
Quick get out of Stirling!
Wasn't that long ago no inflation or negative inflation was a disaster, fcukin' financiers are dicks at any given time

Deflation is bad, too much inflation is also bad. That's why the BoE remit is to have inflation at c2%. Maybe read up on basic economics ahead of the referendum, not that I imagine it would change your mind but you might move yourself out of the 'low information' voter demographic.

Don't be soft man, everyone knows too much inflation is bad but just what the hell are you saying?
We will be back to 15-20% inflation after an EU exit? Just like the good old socialist days then.
Edit, if we leave and Corbyn gets elected you may have a point.

[Beefheart]

See, that's the thing, it doesn't need to be 15-20% inflation to be a problem. Currently the BoE base rate is at 0.5%, it won't be raised while inflation is as low as it is. However, if inflation gets beyond the 2% target, or towards the 5% that HSBC had forecast then the BoE would be forced to increase interest rates.

Now, maybe you think George Osborne's 'long term economic plan' is working, that the recovery we've seen is steady and the economy has been re-balanced since the last crash. Also, it would be greater for savers! It'd devalue both personal and national debt! Woo!

Or you might think that the recovery has been weak, imbalanced and fueled by debt due to historically low interest rates for a number of years. You might notice that GDP growth has slowed to around 2%, not bad given the global context but not so resilient that a relatively minor increase in interest rates couldn't tip us back into recession.

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate.

[Worthy4England]

There is a whole raft of stuff that Brexit can't answer that'll be branded as "scaremongering". Easy pitch. Can't answer the awkward questions? Just brush them off as scaremongering....

[Armchair Wanderer]

The "outers" say on the one hand they want nothing to do with Europe, but on the other they'd re-negotiate trade agreements and such. So, the same people who don't want to compromise and want 100% control over everything are going to negotiate decent deals for us with Europe after the exit? Hmmm.

I think it's good to be a part of something bigger when coming up against the huge multinationals, not that I'm anti multinationals. I have more faith in Europe being able to get some large corporations to change than whoever does that for us at the moment.

It's crazy that the pro-business party wants to leave for illogical and irrational reasons. The only reason UKIP grew in popularity was the global economic crash and people were looking for scapegoats. The lurch to the right resulted in Jeremy Corbyn on the left.

Falling sterling isn't a bad thing for me personally, so I'm ok for it to drop a bit more while we look like we're going to leave.

[Hoboh]

See, that's the thing, it doesn't need to be 15-20% inflation to be a problem. Currently the BoE base rate is at 0.5%, it won't be raised while inflation is as low as it is. However, if inflation gets beyond the 2% target, or towards the 5% that HSBC had forecast then the BoE would be forced to increase interest rates.

Now, maybe you think George Osborne's 'long term economic plan' is working, that the recovery we've seen is steady and the economy has been re-balanced since the last crash. Also, it would be greater for savers! It'd devalue both personal and national debt! Woo!

Or you might think that the recovery has been weak, imbalanced and fueled by debt due to historically low interest rates for a number of years. You might notice that GDP growth has slowed to around 2%, not bad given the global context but not so resilient that a relatively minor increase in interest rates couldn't tip us back into recession.

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate.

See, that's the thing, if interest rates rise those of us that live within our means, never gone stupid with mortgages and stuff like that have seen a piss poor return on our cash and investments, getting something back for a change would be nice.
This 'recovery' bollocks is just that, bollocks. Some sectors are doing okay the majority are, as they have been for umpteen years now, bumping along, fingers crossed.
Quite a fair bit of cash in circulation these days is coming from the older generation, something the young hot heads should remember, we didn't get into a position of having property and some cash by shelling out on I-phones and the monthly contract nor contracts enabling us to play war games with some fcuker in the US online etc. Piss ups were not a God given weekly right and we sure as shit didn't take little John and Jane to school less than a mile away in a must have 2nd car!

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate

So you Europhiles are going to stop spouting your unprovable scaremongering bollocks, because there never has been any attempt by you to start any debate just an end to the UK and doom and gloom if we leave!

[Hoboh]

The "outers" say on the one hand they want nothing to do with Europe, but on the other they'd re-negotiate trade agreements and such. So, the same people who don't want to compromise and want 100% control over everything are going to negotiate decent deals for us with Europe after the exit? Hmmm.

I think it's good to be a part of something bigger when coming up against the huge multinationals, not that I'm anti multinationals. I have more faith in Europe being able to get some large corporations to change than whoever does that for us at the moment.

It's crazy that the pro-business party wants to leave for illogical and irrational reasons. The only reason UKIP grew in popularity was the global economic crash and people were looking for scapegoats. The lurch to the right resulted in Jeremy Corbyn on the left.

Falling sterling isn't a bad thing for me personally, so I'm ok for it to drop a bit more while we look like we're going to leave.

Wait until they sign all that away via TTIP and said multi-national organisations are virtually untouchable.

UKIP grew purely and simply over open borders/free movement and migration, more and more folk could see the numbers of people and availability of services, housing etc. not adding up and every year we remain in the EU it gets worse.

[Worthy4England]

See, that's the thing, it doesn't need to be 15-20% inflation to be a problem. Currently the BoE base rate is at 0.5%, it won't be raised while inflation is as low as it is. However, if inflation gets beyond the 2% target, or towards the 5% that HSBC had forecast then the BoE would be forced to increase interest rates.

Now, maybe you think George Osborne's 'long term economic plan' is working, that the recovery we've seen is steady and the economy has been re-balanced since the last crash. Also, it would be greater for savers! It'd devalue both personal and national debt! Woo!

Or you might think that the recovery has been weak, imbalanced and fueled by debt due to historically low interest rates for a number of years. You might notice that GDP growth has slowed to around 2%, not bad given the global context but not so resilient that a relatively minor increase in interest rates couldn't tip us back into recession.

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate.

See, that's the thing, if interest rates rise those of us that live within our means, never gone stupid with mortgages and stuff like that have seen a piss poor return on our cash and investments, getting something back for a change would be nice.
This 'recovery' bollocks is just that, bollocks. Some sectors are doing okay the majority are, as they have been for umpteen years now, bumping along, fingers crossed.
Quite a fair bit of cash in circulation these days is coming from the older generation, something the young hot heads should remember, we didn't get into a position of having property and some cash by shelling out on I-phones and the monthly contract nor contracts enabling us to play war games with some fcuker in the US online etc. Piss ups were not a God given weekly right and we sure as shit didn't take little John and Jane to school less than a mile away in a must have 2nd car!

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate

So you Europhiles are going to stop spouting your unprovable scaremongering bollocks, because there never has been any attempt by you to start any debate just an end to the UK and doom and gloom if we leave!

That's bollocks. I can tell you what out customs tariffs are today. I already have done. Debate away by telling what they will be post exit.

[Beefheart]

I knew you'd dismiss concerns about the economic realities of us leaving as scaremongering! Though I'm sure you thought the economic questions were legitimate when it came to the Scottish independence referendum. Funny that.

I'm not sure what you're getting at with regards to the spending habits of young people. You seem to think consumption in the economy is driven by the older generation, then seem to have a problem with the younger generation spending as much as they apparently do?

[Hoboh]

See, that's the thing, it doesn't need to be 15-20% inflation to be a problem. Currently the BoE base rate is at 0.5%, it won't be raised while inflation is as low as it is. However, if inflation gets beyond the 2% target, or towards the 5% that HSBC had forecast then the BoE would be forced to increase interest rates.

Now, maybe you think George Osborne's 'long term economic plan' is working, that the recovery we've seen is steady and the economy has been re-balanced since the last crash. Also, it would be greater for savers! It'd devalue both personal and national debt! Woo!

Or you might think that the recovery has been weak, imbalanced and fueled by debt due to historically low interest rates for a number of years. You might notice that GDP growth has slowed to around 2%, not bad given the global context but not so resilient that a relatively minor increase in interest rates couldn't tip us back into recession.

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate.

See, that's the thing, if interest rates rise those of us that live within our means, never gone stupid with mortgages and stuff like that have seen a piss poor return on our cash and investments, getting something back for a change would be nice.
This 'recovery' bollocks is just that, bollocks. Some sectors are doing okay the majority are, as they have been for umpteen years now, bumping along, fingers crossed.
Quite a fair bit of cash in circulation these days is coming from the older generation, something the young hot heads should remember, we didn't get into a position of having property and some cash by shelling out on I-phones and the monthly contract nor contracts enabling us to play war games with some fcuker in the US online etc. Piss ups were not a God given weekly right and we sure as shit didn't take little John and Jane to school less than a mile away in a must have 2nd car!

It's not enough to dismiss legitimate questions about what the economy would look like post-brexit as 'scaremongering' in an attempt to shut down the debate

So you Europhiles are going to stop spouting your unprovable scaremongering bollocks, because there never has been any attempt by you to start any debate just an end to the UK and doom and gloom if we leave!

That's bollocks. I can tell you what out customs tariffs are today. I already have done. Debate away by telling what they will be post exit.

You cannot tell me what they would be after exit so whose talking bollocks? The same? More? Less? Or are you privy to all behind the scenes negotiations that have not taken place yet?
Bollocks!