Honestly what needs to be done ?

[newboy]

With the squad we've got what needs to be done on the pitch and in training to get us back on track ?
constructive replies only there is already one on getting rid of the manager which I'm not in favour of yet.

[BWFC_Wyles]

I think one thing we need to address is the squad rotation policy in place at the moment. Coyle doesn't know what his best XI is. The players who we know can do a good job at this level should be playing despite form. Form is temporary. Keep the faith with one team and get them playing well together. The players have no confidence so players like Tuncay, SKD, Klasnic, and Muamba should be playing. Let's get a settled team and start from there.

[TANGODANCER]

Maybe remind a few why they're being paid a lot of money each week for doing a job they supposedly love?

Maybe ask why a team who've spent eleven seasons in the top flight are being made to look rubbish by newly promoted sides?

Maybe OC should stop flicking ears and grinning and kick a few arses and lose his rag instead?

Maybe it'll all change now and we'll play like a team against Stoke and get some pride and commitment back?

Maybe. .

[Bruno3]

With the squad we've got what needs to be done on the pitch and in training to get us back on track ?
constructive replies only there is already one on getting rid of the manager which I'm not in favour of yet.

Are you a thinly disguised Owen Coyle?

[newboy]

With the squad we've got what needs to be done on the pitch and in training to get us back on track ?
constructive replies only there is already one on getting rid of the manager which I'm not in favour of yet.

Are you a thinly disguised Owen Coyle?

RUMBLED

[Bruno3]

With the squad we've got what needs to be done on the pitch and in training to get us back on track ?
constructive replies only there is already one on getting rid of the manager which I'm not in favour of yet.

Are you a thinly disguised Owen Coyle?

RUMBLED

This is an anagram of DUMBLER which, while not in the dictionary, maybe shoul be!!

[coffeymagic]

I've just read about Reo-Coker's 'stern words' at full time on Saturday. To me it's been clear for a while that there is no confidence in any area of the pitch.

The forwards don't take their chances, the midfield evaporates, the back four are either too slow, too indecisvie or just too shit and the goalie is too easy to beat at his near post, his far post or straight at him.

As soon as the opposition start coming forward you can almost taste the fear in the air.

I can't understand how a team managed by Owen Coyle has so little spirit and camadarie when you consider the Wanderers team he played in was built on an all for one and one for all principle.

As soon as the first goal goes in that's it and Saturday's performance just showed how poor we really are.

Forget sendings off and injuries every team has to cope with this.

We've got no back bone and now it seems the players are turning on each other. I'm glad Coker had a go at the rest of them, Wheater didn't/couldn't/wouldn't repeat what was said but I can imagine.

Come on Bolton.

[Gary the Enfield]

I've just read about Reo-Coker's 'stern words' at full time on Saturday. To me it's been clear for a while that there is no confidence in any area of the pitch.

The forwards don't take their chances, the midfield evaporates, the back four are either too slow, too indecisvie or just too shit and the goalie is too easy to beat at his near post, his far post or straight at him.

As soon as the opposition start coming forward you can almost taste the fear in the air.

I can't understand how a team managed by Owen Coyle has so little spirit and camadarie when you consider the Wanderers team he played in was built on an all for one and one for all principle.

As soon as the first goal goes in that's it and Saturday's performance just showed how poor we really are.

Forget sendings off and injuries every team has to cope with this.

We've got no back bone and now it seems the players are turning on each other. I'm glad Coker had a go at the rest of them, Wheater didn't/couldn't/wouldn't repeat what was said but I can imagine.

Come on Bolton.

Cynically? Money. Most of our current players are on 5 times what OC and SJM were on. Where's the incentive?

[as]

Get rid of the manager.

[One Hump Or Two?]

Get a defensive coach who can instil some basic positional discipline into the players, and only play the ones who can or will conform.

During a rare trip to the Reebok for Chelski (I live in Nigeria), even my wife, who must have watched about five games of football in her life, picked up on it. She said "when Chelsea don't have the ball, you can see their lines" (meaning the four defenders in a perfect line, two defensive midfielders about 10 yards in front and wide midfielders both pushed slightly up) "with Bolton I can't even see what shape it's supposed to be".

Half of the goals we have conceded this season must have come from full backs being wildly out of position, or midfielders backing off and backing off until we're playing a flat back 6. Until we stop haemorraghing goals we're fvcked, and the quickest and cheapest way to do that is to have some goddamn organisation.

[CarlosHernandez]

I can't help that thinking Tuncay can make a difference if he is in the hole behind a striker. He has wonderful technical skill on the ball, and is renowned to work hard defensively as well. Surely a better option than Pratley who looks to be merely back up quality. Coyle was making a huge fuss about getting him here to begin with, havent heard him spoken of since.

Also Muamba has to be one of the two centre mids. Mark Davies there? No.

Set up like this, and barring any more suspensions or injuries, keep it that way for a month. Sure, the full backs look exposed but that's all we have until January.

--------Jussi--------
Stein-Cahill-Wheater-Robbo
--ReoCoke--Muamba--
Eagles--Tuncay--Petrov
--------Ngog--------

Tell Reo and Muamba to protect the back four like their life depended on it. With emphasis on helping out the full backs. Also, don't let the opposition dribble up to the box. Bring them down well before then. These two need to play tough tackling football. Jussi has to throw it out more. Punts upfield tend to come back with interest at the moment. Eagles, Tuncay and Ngog has to harass like maniacs when we are not in possession. Put them under pressure in their half. We know Petrov won't, so don't bother asking.

[boltonboris]

But with Steinsson, Robbo, Eagles and Petrov, we're still shite in wide areas

[coffeymagic]

See this 'get a defensive coach in' notion?

Is this some primary school team we're watching here? I've sworn I'll never Google anything again (story for a different time) but haven't the back 4 been playing football for err...a while now?

How much 'coaching' do they need?

At this stage in their careers every single one of these players should have the leadership skills to say 'I'll take him, you take him, you cover and you go for the pries.'

I think Robinson's being hung out to dry week in week out.

[CAPSLOCK]

Why Petrov?

What's he actually contributed this season...the 'assist' against city was very, very good

And I'm sure there's been something else, but by fcuk, I'm struggling to remember

He doesn't do the miles to cover his lack of 'end product'

[Sponge]

Why Petrov?

What's he actually contributed this season...the 'assist' against city was very, very good

And I'm sure there's been something else, but by fcuk, I'm struggling to remember

He doesn't do the miles to cover his lack of 'end product'

I think his crossing's been excellent—it's the lack of end-product among the players who should be getting on the end of them that's the problem.

If his game is lacking (which clearly it is), then it's elsewhere—defending, covering, tracking back, etc..

[coffeymagic]

Petrov does what Petrov does. He always fires the ball in first time, no messing about.

The problem is that our attack is so lead footed that while he's firing it in they're not even across the half-way line.

He's doing the right thing just not at the right time.

[thebish]

Petrov does what Petrov does. He always fires the ball in first time, no messing about.

The problem is that our attack is so lead footed that while he's firing it in they're not even across the half-way line.

He's doing the right thing just not at the right time.

Eric Morecombe: I'm playing all the right notes Mr Prevue, but not necessarily in the right order!

[CAPSLOCK]

Petrov does what Petrov does. He always fires the ball in first time, no messing about.

The problem is that our attack is so lead footed that while he's firing it in they're not even across the half-way line.

He's doing the right thing just not at the right time.

I actually see his qualities

But, seeing as theres nothing coming from it, why play him?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I think one thing we need to address is the squad rotation policy in place at the moment. Coyle doesn't know what his best XI is. The players who we know can do a good job at this level should be playing despite form. Form is temporary. Keep the faith with one team and get them playing well together. The players have no confidence so players like Tuncay, SKD, Klasnic, and Muamba should be playing. Let's get a settled team and start from there.

I disagree: he's searching for the answer, and that search is now taking in different players and formations. Good: I don't think the team should be chosen by chance.

See, if he hadn't been changing his team, he'd still be playing a strict 4-4-2 with Kevin Davies up front and Zat Knight at the back, and there would still be howls of derision on here. He's also dropped Paul Robinson and tried a few different players further forward. While I acknowledge there's a time for consistency it's not when we're consistently losing by two or more goals.

[Andy Waller]

I think one thing we need to address is the squad rotation policy in place at the moment. Coyle doesn't know what his best XI is. The players who we know can do a good job at this level should be playing despite form. Form is temporary. Keep the faith with one team and get them playing well together. The players have no confidence so players like Tuncay, SKD, Klasnic, and Muamba should be playing. Let's get a settled team and start from there.

I disagree: he's searching for the answer, and that search is now taking in different players and formations. Good: I don't think the team should be chosen by chance.

See, if he hadn't been changing his team, he'd still be playing a strict 4-4-2 with Kevin Davies up front and Zat Knight at the back, and there would still be howls of derision on here. He's also dropped Paul Robinson and tried a few different players further forward. While I acknowledge there's a time for consistency it's not when we're consistently losing by two or more goals.

The main problem I feel is that it's not the personell, it's the organisation. Stoke will have to make a few changes, but barring serious injuries, it's pretty much like for like and fits in their system. (Eg, Jones/Jerome for Crouch.)

Nobody in the side looks sure of what they're doing at the moment. The back 4 gets a load of grief from fans, but because we're always giving the ball away they're under constant pressure.

At this level it's more a matter of being in the right place for the pass rather than the pass being made to you. That comes from the coaching within the club and quite frankly, we're embarrasingly clueless in that respect.

Coyle is a great man for the club, but he's way out of his depth. I wouldn't get rid of him but get rid of the back room staff and get people in who know what they're doing.

And get rid of that fat kit man. He's an embarracement. And looks a bit sweaty.

Pop those bloody Zorb balls too.