Contract expiry

[Bruce Rioja]

And you're happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded are all a goalkeeping issue?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

And you're happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded are all a goalkeeping issue?

Not "all", because nothing exists in a vacuum. But when you get two sequential six-game runs with such different results, you have to look at the thing that has changed - which in this case is the guy in the gloves.

To be clear, I believe that Amos has a mistake per game in him. It's just that Rachubka has two, three or four.

Put another way, are you happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded is completely irrelevant?

[Bruce Rioja]

And you're happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded are all a goalkeeping issue?

Not "all", because nothing exists in a vacuum. But when you get two sequential six-game runs with such different results, you have to look at the thing that has changed - which in this case is the guy in the gloves.

To be clear, I believe that Amos has a mistake per game in him. It's just that Rachubka has two, three or four.

Put another way, are you happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded is completely irrelevant?

Well, if you're happy to support your view with statistics then, for a goalkeeper, we need to also include those of crosses collected, one-on-ones successfully won, distribution accuracy .............. on you go.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

And you're happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded are all a goalkeeping issue?

Not "all", because nothing exists in a vacuum. But when you get two sequential six-game runs with such different results, you have to look at the thing that has changed - which in this case is the guy in the gloves.

To be clear, I believe that Amos has a mistake per game in him. It's just that Rachubka has two, three or four.

Put another way, are you happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded is completely irrelevant?

Well, if you're happy to support your view with statistics then, for a goalkeeper, we need to also include those of crosses collected, one-on-ones successfully won, distribution accuracy .............. on you go.

To be honest, Bruce me old chum, I can't be arsed. I try to back up my opinion with statistics, but sometimes it seems when you get this chippy I don't think even a full ProZone presentation would change your mind, and frankly, your opinion on Paul Rachubka really doesn't matter that much to me, mate. So let's move on.

[TonyDomingos]

And you're happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded are all a goalkeeping issue?

Not "all", because nothing exists in a vacuum. But when you get two sequential six-game runs with such different results, you have to look at the thing that has changed - which in this case is the guy in the gloves.

To be clear, I believe that Amos has a mistake per game in him. It's just that Rachubka has two, three or four.

Put another way, are you happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded is completely irrelevant?

Well, if you're happy to support your view with statistics then, for a goalkeeper, we need to also include those of crosses collected, one-on-ones successfully won, distribution accuracy .............. on you go.

To be honest, Bruce me old chum, I can't be arsed. I try to back up my opinion with statistics, but sometimes it seems when you get this chippy I don't think even a full ProZone presentation would change your mind, and frankly, your opinion on Paul Rachubka really doesn't matter that much to me, mate. So let's move on.

[Bruce Rioja]

And you're happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded are all a goalkeeping issue?

Not "all", because nothing exists in a vacuum. But when you get two sequential six-game runs with such different results, you have to look at the thing that has changed - which in this case is the guy in the gloves.

To be clear, I believe that Amos has a mistake per game in him. It's just that Rachubka has two, three or four.

Put another way, are you happy to believe that shots on target vs goals conceded is completely irrelevant?

Well, if you're happy to support your view with statistics then, for a goalkeeper, we need to also include those of crosses collected, one-on-ones successfully won, distribution accuracy .............. on you go.

To be honest, Bruce me old chum, I can't be arsed. I try to back up my opinion with statistics, but sometimes it seems when you get this chippy I don't think even a full ProZone presentation would change your mind, and frankly, your opinion on Paul Rachubka really doesn't matter that much to me, mate. So let's move on.

So that's a no then.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

So that's a no then.

Tell you what, I'll have a look for them when you provide the forum with Gary Madine's statistics for passes completed, headers won, runs made etc rather than relying on the reductive stats set of "goals per game"...

[Bruce Rioja]

So that's a no then.

Tell you what, I'll have a look for them when you provide the forum with Gary Madine's statistics for passes completed, headers won, runs made etc rather than relying on the reductive stats set of "goals per game"...

I don't, and I've moved on. Choose love

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

So that's a no then.

Tell you what, I'll have a look for them when you provide the forum with Gary Madine's statistics for passes completed, headers won, runs made etc rather than relying on the reductive stats set of "goals per game"...

I don't, and I've moved on. Choose love

Works for me

[Armchair Wanderer]

Converting loan players into decent permanent signings doesn't seem to be our forte. Although the lack of memory is starting to kick in as soon as I say that. Am I wrong? I can't think of anyone who has signed after a loan that has gone on to be really good.

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Aha, I was close with McGinlay then

I think this proves my point! There probably haven't been that many loans that turned into decent permanent signings in the past 20 years.

BTW, photo... couldn't remember his first name but googled Walker and this image came up

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

There probably haven't been that many loans that turned into decent permanent signings in the past 20 years.

Here's the list, cobbled together from multiple sources. Asterisked dudes later signed "permanently".

2016/17
* Andrew Taylor
Sammy Ameobi
Keshi Anderson
James Henry
Tom Thorpe
Chris Long
Adam le Fondre
Viv Solomon-Otabor

2015/16
Prince-Désir Gouano
Wellington Silva
Luke Brattan

2014/15
Kevin McNaughton
Joe Mason
Owen Garvan
Chris Herd
Rochinha
Adam le Fondre
* Ben Amos
Simeon Slavchev
Barry Bannan
Saidy Janko
Matija Boben
Giles Coke
Paddy McCarthy
• Jordan Lussey

2013/14
* Neil Danns
* Liam Feeney
Kevin McNaughton
Joe Mason
Lukas Jutkiewicz
* Liam Trotter
Joe Mason
Alan Hutton
Andy Robinson

2012/13
Benik Afobe
* Jay Spearing
Stephen Warnock
Jacob Butterfield
Craig Dawson
Ján Greguš
Steve De Ridder
* Rob Hall
Danny Butterfield

2011/12
Tuncay Şanlı
Dedryck Boyata
Gaël Kakuta
Ryo Miyaichi

2010/11
Rodrigo
Daniel Sturridge

2009/10
* Paul Robinson
* Ivan Klasnić
Vladimír Weiss
Jack Wilshere

2008/09
Ebi Smolarek
Sébastien Puygrenier
Ariza Makukula

2007/08
Danny Guthrie
Mikel Alonso
Christian Wilhelmsson
Grzegorz Rasiak

2006/07
-

2005/06
* Abdoulaye Faye
Hidetoshi Nakata

2004/05
* El Hadji Diouf
Andy Oakes

2003/04
Glen Little
Javi Moreno
Dwight Pezzarossi
Jon Otsemobor

2002/03
* Ivan Campo
Salva Ballesta
Pierre-Yves Andre
Bernard Mendy

2001/02
* Bruno N'Gotty
Fredi Bobic
Konstantinos Konstantinidis
Jani Viander
Djibril Diawara
Mario Espartero
Akinori Nishizawa

2000/01
Carsten Fredgaard
Isaiah Rankin
Juergen Sommer
John Gope-Fenepej
Tommy Wright
* Colin Hendry

1999/2000
Darren Holloway
Allan Johnston

1998/99
* John O'Kane
Jon Newsome
* Paul Warhurst

1997/98
* Bob Taylor
Franz Carr
Gaetano Giallanza

1996/97
* John Sheridan

Of the loans-turned-perms, at least 11 turned out well: Klasnic, Bob Taylor, Diouf, Sheridan, Spearing, Feeney, Warhurst, Campo, N'Gotty, Faye, Hendry.

[Armchair Wanderer]

Wow, nice work DSB!

If Bob Taylor is on the list I take it all back!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Wow, nice work DSB!

If Bob Taylor is on the list I take it all back!

Super Bob(by) Taylor, please

I was a bit bored... then a bit determined... then a bit bored again.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Updated to include the re-signings of Madine and Wheater.

Contracts until June unless otherwise stated. Corrections and clarifications (with citations) always welcome.

2017
RELEASED
Lawrie Wilson, Reece Wabara, Lewis Buxton, Dean Moxey, Liam Trotter, Mark Davies, Tom Walker

LOANEES RETURNED TO PARENT CLUBS
Tom Thorpe (released by Rotherham), James Henry (released by Wolves), Chris Long (contracted to Burnley until 2018), Adam le Fondre (expecting to be released by Cardiff), Viv Solomon-Otabor (contracted to Birmingham until 2019)

NOT KNOWN AS YET
Dorian Dervite
Jay Spearing
Filipe Morais
Max Clayton
Alex Honeyball
Callum Spooner
Alex Perry
George Newell (loaned out to AFC Fylde until June)

2018
Mark Howard
Ben Alnwick
Mark Beevers
David Wheater ("with an option")
Derik Osede
Jem Karacan ("with the option to extend for a further year")
Darren Pratley
Chris Taylor
Jamie Proctor
Conor Wilkinson (Granted permission to speak to other clubs, summer 2017)

2019
Ben Amos (loaned to Cardiff until June)
Andrew Taylor
Josh Vela
Gary Madine

Unknown but under contract
Jack Earing, Alex Samizadeh, Jake Turner (among others)

[LeverEnd]

What does 'with an option to extend' actually mean? Surely everyone has that option. Does it mean the player decides or the club?

[BWFC_Insane]

What does 'with an option to extend' actually mean? Surely everyone has that option. Does it mean the player decides or the club?

Usually means that there is an option for one side or another to trigger an automatic extension. Usually the club. Which I imagine is the case here.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

per BWFC.co.uk: Alex Perry gets his first professional contract (length undisclosed); Callum Spooner to be released.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

LE FONDRE SIGNS

Two-year deal, per bwfc.co.uk
Le Fondre:

It’s not going to be a shock that I’ve signed and it’s been a long time coming. Bolton Wanderers is my spiritual home at the moment and I’m really looking forward to putting in a lot of hard work and get going.

Parky:

We are really pleased with the signing of Alfie. He made a positive contribution last season and has a real hunger and desire to play for the club in the Sky Bet Championship.

(subject to medical)

[Prufrock]

O A O A, O A O A!

[officer_dibble]

Ole ole!