The wonderful EU and Migration thread!

[Hoboh]

In order to match England's population density of 413 people per square kilometre, European countries would have to take in the following numbers of migrants:-

Austria 26.4 million
Denmark 12.4 million
France 162.3 million
Germany 65.6 million
Greece 42.8 million
Italy 64.7 million
Poland 90.5 million
Spain 162.1 million
Sweden 176.3 million

Conversely, if England had the same population density as say France, it's population would be 14.5 million.

Well that's a load of bollocks. How much of that land is uninhabitable?

I think the more apt question is
How much more land have we got that's inhabitable if we are choosing to go down that route!

No, we're going down the route that you've elected to post up as FACT. Mine is the 'apt' question here. Perhaps you'd care to answer it. I'm not even guessing that you're unable to.

There are plenty of places you could build in Germany, you may have slight problems with the Greens though, France has plenty of habitable land, the farmers may be a problem there and no it's not bollocks how much more of the UK land is buildable on?
These countries have far more than us.
the disclaimer here is I don't agree with anyone excepting these numbers it was merely to show population density and I have no wish to live in an English Bombay type place.

[Beefheart]

Given we have an ageing population and you don't want to see population growth, would you rather retire later of receive less of a state pension?

[Worthy4England]

There are plenty of places you could build in Germany, you may have slight problems with the Greens though, France has plenty of habitable land, the farmers may be a problem there and no it's not bollocks how much more of the UK land is buildable on?
These countries have far more than us the disclaimer here is I don't agree with anyone excepting these numbers it was merely to show population density and I have no wish to live in an English Bombay type place.

Figures from that notedly right-wing "independent, think tank" - Migration Watch - who in 16 years haven't managed one article in favour of immigration, as far as I can tell. Strangely enough. the backing data seems to have disappeared from their website too (especially the parts about all those other bits that they might have excluded, to make this figure look as bad as it possibly could.) One of the multiple asterixes probably leads to the small print *English population counted as people passing through Liverpool Street Station, London at 09:00, Monday morning

[Bruce Rioja]

There are plenty of places you could build in Germany, you may have slight problems with the Greens though, France has plenty of habitable land, the farmers may be a problem there and no it's not bollocks how much more of the UK land is buildable on?
These countries have far more than us.
the disclaimer here is I don't agree with anyone excepting these numbers it was merely to show population density and I have no wish to live in an English Bombay type place.

Yes, Sweden has more land than we do but there are currently migrants (I've seen them with my own eyes, by the way, not simply via reading some jaundiced claptrap) sleeping on the snow in Malmo. Perhaps they should be packed off somewhere closer to the Arctic Tundra. Complete and utter bollocks!

[Hoboh]

There are plenty of places you could build in Germany, you may have slight problems with the Greens though, France has plenty of habitable land, the farmers may be a problem there and no it's not bollocks how much more of the UK land is buildable on?
These countries have far more than us.
the disclaimer here is I don't agree with anyone excepting these numbers it was merely to show population density and I have no wish to live in an English Bombay type place.

Yes, Sweden has more land than we do but there are currently migrants (I've seen them with my own eyes, by the way, not simply via reading some jaundiced claptrap) sleeping on the snow in Malmo. Perhaps they should be packed off somewhere closer to the Arctic Tundra. Complete and utter bollocks!

With respect, wtf are you on about?
The figures show there is more people density per square kilometre in the UK than those listed, you argue about uninhabitable land, well how much of the UK is uninhabitable land thus making it, any further arrivals and future families even denser still?

[Lord Kangana]

He's on about, apocryphally, that its a bit f*cking stupid to just dump people in the snow simply for the reason that you've got lots of it.

[Worthy4England]

He's on about, apocryphally, that its a bit f*cking stupid to just dump people in the snow simply for the reason that you've got lots of it.

It's the lure of FREE Igloo's that's attracting them...

[Hoboh]

He's on about, apocryphally, that its a bit f*cking stupid to just dump people in the snow simply for the reason that you've got lots of it.

I'll have you know, some people pay good money, a lot of it sometimes to get 'dumped' upon mountains full of snow.

[Hoboh]

“This is about helping Greece, Turkey and the European Union with stemming the flow of migrants and refugees and coping with a very demanding situation,” Stoltenberg said.
Right.
“This is not about stopping or pushing back refugee boats,” he added. “Nato will contribute critical information and surveillance to help counter human trafficking and criminal networks.”
So how's it going to help stem the flow then?

Greece and Turkey had objected to the prospect of having one another’s navies operating in their respective waters, but Stoltenberg said this stumbling block has been overcome.
So much for being members of NATO then, the Russians must be p*ssing their self's!

[Hoboh]

Dear Deirdre,
I really need your advice about my husband but would rather not give his full name.
His initials are E.U.

I'm starting to hate my husband. He is a bully, ignores my wishes and is no longer capable of reforming himself.

He also takes lots of my hard-earned money and I am supposed to be grateful when I get a little of it back...even though he tells me what to spend it on!

He's got it into his head that he wants to be a big player and is even planning his own army! Should I call the police?

E.U. told me last night (after supper) that its important to him that he "maintains the global security architecture"....but I don't even know what this means. Is it some kind of kinky sex game?

He has started bringing in lots of people into our house and its getting cramped but he doesn't care. He insists that there's still enough room for lots of his Turkish, Albanian and Bosnian friends.

I can't bring myself to leave him though, because....


I'm absolutely terrified of standing on my own two feet."


Please help.

[Hoboh]

Yesterday, according to Camoron, the UK was at risk of invasion from Russia and N Korea if we left the EU, now this,

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Funny as feck all this unprovable scaremongering put out by those who accused the leave groups of doing the same

All the cold hard facts that membership of the EU is crucial to the UK continuing to exist that were going to be published, where are they?

Boils down to a simple equation, you are either a Europhile prepared to sell your soul and future to big business and faceless Eurocrats, be forced to one day ditch your currency, except quotas of migration imposed on you, join a supposed European army and defence force with people who are not interested in spending anything to defend their selves, already failing to pay the fees to NATO.
This not fit for purpose organisation is falling apart at the seams and is as democratic as the old USSR was, Puppet governments in Greece and Poland, campaigning for the removal of the Hungarian PM, sound familiar?

Or you could simply vote leave, stand on your own two feet, engage the world without the mess of countries, half of whom will only agree to anything if they are bribed by grants, dictating your life.
Just remember the fanboys of the Eurozone are only those who stand to profit from it and that's a small number!

[Worthy4England]

Easy for you to conveniently forget that it was absolutely the case that we got charged by monopoly carriers for flights before the EU agreement - same with mobile telephone calls.

How much engaging of the world do you do from your own two feet upon which you are standing, in your job?

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Does a country have feet? And are they always two? Italy for example they only have one boot. And are Scotland's smelly little feet perched on England's shoulders?

[Hoboh]

Easy for you to conveniently forget that it was absolutely the case that we got charged by monopoly carriers for flights before the EU agreement - same with mobile telephone calls.

How much engaging of the world do you do from your own two feet upon which you are standing, in your job?

Freddie Laker that great EU stalwart you mean, the one who kicked the doors open for low cost carriers or am I mistaken was it formed in Berlin?
I'm not sad enough to go abroad on holiday abroad an live with an I-phone glued to my ear, if it's an emergency, I'll pay for it, otherwise speak when I get home. Don't give a shiny some knob head has to pay through the nose for Facebook, they should have stopped at home.

[Hoboh]

Does a country have feet? And are they always two? Italy for example they only have one boot. And are Scotland's smelly little feet perched on England's shoulders?

Or we may just be talking about the citizens of the country standing on their own two feet making your post irrelevant!

[Worthy4England]

Easy for you to conveniently forget that it was absolutely the case that we got charged by monopoly carriers for flights before the EU agreement - same with mobile telephone calls.

How much engaging of the world do you do from your own two feet upon which you are standing, in your job?

Freddie Laker that great EU stalwart you mean, the one who kicked the doors open for low cost carriers or am I mistaken was it formed in Berlin?
I'm not sad enough to go abroad on holiday abroad an live with an I-phone glued to my ear, if it's an emergency, I'll pay for it, otherwise speak when I get home. Don't give a shiny some knob head has to pay through the nose for Facebook, they should have stopped at home.

So that in a nutshell would be none then. Strange though it may seem, people do go to other countries to work (whilst living and being based in good ol Blighty.)

As for Freddie Laker - I guess you're referring to the Skytrain stuff that went bust? Most of his "fights" were against the UK Government and its departments.

[Hoboh]

Easy for you to conveniently forget that it was absolutely the case that we got charged by monopoly carriers for flights before the EU agreement - same with mobile telephone calls.

How much engaging of the world do you do from your own two feet upon which you are standing, in your job?

Freddie Laker that great EU stalwart you mean, the one who kicked the doors open for low cost carriers or am I mistaken was it formed in Berlin?
I'm not sad enough to go abroad on holiday abroad an live with an I-phone glued to my ear, if it's an emergency, I'll pay for it, otherwise speak when I get home. Don't give a shiny some knob head has to pay through the nose for Facebook, they should have stopped at home.

So that in a nutshell would be none then. Strange though it may seem, people do go to other countries to work (whilst living and being based in good ol Blighty.)

As for Freddie Laker - I guess you're referring to the Skytrain stuff that went bust? Most of his "fights" were against the UK Government and its departments.

And before I-phones they did what exactly? and once mobiles became popular add work accounts to their tax deductions etc.
Use your own phone for work, tough, I point blank refused to use either my own personal phone or email accounts for work unless they paid for it.
Besides the days of travelling middle management and sales executives is numbered, email and video conferencing is a far better way to protect the environment, staff and cheaper than someone on the piss on expense accounts.

[Worthy4England]

Easy for you to conveniently forget that it was absolutely the case that we got charged by monopoly carriers for flights before the EU agreement - same with mobile telephone calls.

How much engaging of the world do you do from your own two feet upon which you are standing, in your job?

Freddie Laker that great EU stalwart you mean, the one who kicked the doors open for low cost carriers or am I mistaken was it formed in Berlin?
I'm not sad enough to go abroad on holiday abroad an live with an I-phone glued to my ear, if it's an emergency, I'll pay for it, otherwise speak when I get home. Don't give a shiny some knob head has to pay through the nose for Facebook, they should have stopped at home.

So that in a nutshell would be none then. Strange though it may seem, people do go to other countries to work (whilst living and being based in good ol Blighty.)

As for Freddie Laker - I guess you're referring to the Skytrain stuff that went bust? Most of his "fights" were against the UK Government and its departments.

And before I-phones they did what exactly? and once mobiles became popular add work accounts to their tax deductions etc.
Use your own phone for work, tough, I point blank refused to use either my own personal phone or email accounts for work unless they paid for it.
Besides the days of travelling middle management and sales executives is numbered, email and video conferencing is a far better way to protect the environment, staff and cheaper than someone on the piss on expense accounts.

So still a "no" then...

Are you suggesting we roll back 20 years? Coz that sounds like the sort of compelling strategy the exit squad are capable of. I really don't get what you're wombling on about at all. I don't use my own mobile nor e-mail - generally because of security restrictions. We can and do use video conferencing for lots of things - or teleconferencing. I don't think they days of middle management/sales execs are numbered - they're reducing a little - but I don't see them imminently "numbered". I generally travel because Customer (so not someone in my organisation) wants me to. As for on the piss on expense accounts - you must work for a radically different company than I do, or have seen that on TV somewhere in the 1970's.

[Hoboh]

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The directory of free for all!

[Lord Kangana]

I like freedom of movement. It means I don't have to apply for a work permit when work takes me to the continent. I'm sure others on here benefit from it the same way.