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[jonnybwfc]

Agree ^^

We have several problems, and Feeney's nowhere near one of them.

Just imagine we had more than one player in the box for him to aim at ?!

Or when Silva broke free, at one point, and there was hardly anyone in a white shirt in the same half as him.

[TANGODANCER]

Anyway, I’m glad we won. Anyone going to Brighton? I fancy it and so does my colleague. Any ticket news yet? (There wasn’t on Friday.)

"I assure you that I dread the idea of going to Brighton as much as you do, but I am not without hopes that something may happen to prevent it." ...Jane Austen 1799.

"Brighton has the air of a town that is perpetually helping the police with their inquiries."

[Worthy4England]

I agree about Heskey, mate. I thought he performed admirably, and he very nearly scored a cracker too.

I've just read the Lion of Vienna Suite's match ratings, and they've given Feeney "minus 1 million." That's so harsh. We've got nobody else, and Feeney's doing all that he can. He works so hard, week in week out, and he's not that bad. He'll play wherever Lennon puts him and he'll always put his heart into it.

That's not surprising, him and Dervite are their public enemies #1 jointly although only Dervite is deserving of the criticisms in my opinion. Feeney could win Championship Player of the Year and they'd still call him a useless feck. Let me guess, have they thrown in an insult about "clueless fans" who don't think he's our worst problem? Typically their modus operandi - a very opinionated article with some criticisms of fans who disagree Genuinely have no idea why the wider fanbase place it so highly.

He scored more than Heskey...Let's be honest, Batty is hardly the most independent observer we've ever seen.

[Jugs]

I agree about Heskey, mate. I thought he performed admirably, and he very nearly scored a cracker too.

I've just read the Lion of Vienna Suite's match ratings, and they've given Feeney "minus 1 million." That's so harsh. We've got nobody else, and Feeney's doing all that he can. He works so hard, week in week out, and he's not that bad. He'll play wherever Lennon puts him and he'll always put his heart into it.

That's not surprising, him and Dervite are their public enemies #1 jointly although only Dervite is deserving of the criticisms in my opinion. Feeney could win Championship Player of the Year and they'd still call him a useless feck. Let me guess, have they thrown in an insult about "clueless fans" who don't think he's our worst problem? Typically their modus operandi - a very opinionated article with some criticisms of fans who disagree Genuinely have no idea why the wider fanbase place it so highly.

Yup, a guy called Chris Manning wrote it and he refers to people who point out good stuff about Feeney - such as his high assist and (relatively) high goal count - as "Internet spanners." Seems like a totally insufferable person to me.

[Worthy4England]

I agree about Heskey, mate. I thought he performed admirably, and he very nearly scored a cracker too.

I've just read the Lion of Vienna Suite's match ratings, and they've given Feeney "minus 1 million." That's so harsh. We've got nobody else, and Feeney's doing all that he can. He works so hard, week in week out, and he's not that bad. He'll play wherever Lennon puts him and he'll always put his heart into it.

That's not surprising, him and Dervite are their public enemies #1 jointly although only Dervite is deserving of the criticisms in my opinion. Feeney could win Championship Player of the Year and they'd still call him a useless feck. Let me guess, have they thrown in an insult about "clueless fans" who don't think he's our worst problem? Typically their modus operandi - a very opinionated article with some criticisms of fans who disagree Genuinely have no idea why the wider fanbase place it so highly.

Yup, a guy called Chris Manning wrote it and he refers to people who point out good stuff about Feeney - such as his high assist and (relatively) high goal count - as "Internet spanners." Seems like a totally insufferable person to me.

Batman - previously of this parish.

[Jugs]

I agree about Heskey, mate. I thought he performed admirably, and he very nearly scored a cracker too.

I've just read the Lion of Vienna Suite's match ratings, and they've given Feeney "minus 1 million." That's so harsh. We've got nobody else, and Feeney's doing all that he can. He works so hard, week in week out, and he's not that bad. He'll play wherever Lennon puts him and he'll always put his heart into it.

That's not surprising, him and Dervite are their public enemies #1 jointly although only Dervite is deserving of the criticisms in my opinion. Feeney could win Championship Player of the Year and they'd still call him a useless feck. Let me guess, have they thrown in an insult about "clueless fans" who don't think he's our worst problem? Typically their modus operandi - a very opinionated article with some criticisms of fans who disagree Genuinely have no idea why the wider fanbase place it so highly.

Yup, a guy called Chris Manning wrote it and he refers to people who point out good stuff about Feeney - such as his high assist and (relatively) high goal count - as "Internet spanners." Seems like a totally insufferable person to me.

Batman - previously of this parish.

Ah, so he is the infamous Batman.

It turns out that only Feeney and Mark Davies had better-than 80% pass completion rates on Saturday, too.

EDIT: But, of course, Manning hates stats.

[Jugs]

I agree about Heskey, mate. I thought he performed admirably, and he very nearly scored a cracker too.

I've just read the Lion of Vienna Suite's match ratings, and they've given Feeney "minus 1 million." That's so harsh. We've got nobody else, and Feeney's doing all that he can. He works so hard, week in week out, and he's not that bad. He'll play wherever Lennon puts him and he'll always put his heart into it.

That's not surprising, him and Dervite are their public enemies #1 jointly although only Dervite is deserving of the criticisms in my opinion. Feeney could win Championship Player of the Year and they'd still call him a useless feck. Let me guess, have they thrown in an insult about "clueless fans" who don't think he's our worst problem? Typically their modus operandi - a very opinionated article with some criticisms of fans who disagree Genuinely have no idea why the wider fanbase place it so highly.

He scored more than Heskey...Let's be honest, Batty is hardly the most independent observer we've ever seen.

Just taken a look at his post now and I wasn't far wrong. It's quite incredible really; he takes a shot at people using hyperbole about Amos being "the worst keeper since keepers were invented" but then goes on to use it himself later for Dervite, Feeney, Pratley and Heskey. I'm no the biggest fan of those players myself, but he constantly says that they shouldn't be starting and aren't fit to play for us. He's also said it about people he's now lauding (Wellington). Irony's not lost on him it seems...

I swear if the people over at LoV had their way, we wouldn't be fielding a team because "they're not fit to play for us" so they could bitch and whine about the good old days under Big Sam.

I think a lot of people continue to do that. It's a silly, silly comparison.

[BWFC_Insane]

Feeney isn't very good. But he tries hard and has the odd great cross or finish in him.

We aren't in this mess because of Liam Feeney. If we had a few more with his application and even occasional end product we'd be better off.

There are players in our squad with greater ability and bigger contracts than Feeney who produce far less.

[TANGODANCER]

I swear if the people over at LoV had their way, we wouldn't be fielding a team because "they're not fit to play for us" so they could bitch and whine about the good old days under Big Sam.[/quote]
I think a lot of people continue to do that. It's a silly, silly comparison.[/quote]

Indeed. A lot of people just keep it impartial and remember good periods for what they were and don't make daft comparisons with bad ones. Football's a "funny old game" as per Sir James Greaves. Take Stoke 5 Bolton 0 with Bolton 5 Stoke 0 both in the same year. That's not about good and bad sides, just how they performed at the time.

[BWFC_Insane]

We're all guilty of it occasionally, and it's no surprise given that we hit Europe, but the way they prattle on with their match reports and ratings we wouldn't even field a team if they had their way. I mean they used to absolutely trash Trotter the same way they do Dervite, but after a loan spell away, he's the apple of their eye. Nothing wrong with changing opinions as player form gets better or worse, but if they had their way he'd have been long gone and wouldn't be here with his current form now. They always want rid of players the moment they make a mistake or suffer a dip in form.

That isn't just on LoV though. I've long said that there is a decent player in Trotter. Long said that he was at one time courted by premiership clubs whilst at Milwall. Most on the wanderer, disagreed, wanted him gone. As DSB says we all go over the top one way or another in our opinions from time to time.

LoV aren't the only ones Feeney bashing. The ground is full of people waiting for him to overhit a cross or hit the first man to start screaming at him.

Funnily enough as you say, Mark Davies has gotten away with doing nothing of any use a lot of the time. Funny how people's minds work.

[Lord Kangana]

That isn't just on LoV though. I've long said that there is a decent player in Trotter. Long said that he was at one time courted by premiership clubs whilst at Milwall. Most on the wanderer, disagreed, wanted him gone. As DSB says we all go over the top one way or another in our opinions from time to time.

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Give over with the bloody hindsight. He was f*cking useless for an age. That he doesn't look that now doesn't stop what he was in the past. And he most definitely wouldn't get away with it in a 4 man midfield.

[BWFC_Insane]

That isn't just on LoV though. I've long said that there is a decent player in Trotter. Long said that he was at one time courted by premiership clubs whilst at Milwall. Most on the wanderer, disagreed, wanted him gone. As DSB says we all go over the top one way or another in our opinions from time to time.

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Give over with the bloody hindsight. He was f*cking useless for an age. That he doesn't look that now doesn't stop what he was in the past. And he most definitely wouldn't get away with it in a 4 man midfield.

Didn't doubt he was useless here. But at the time I pointed out he hadn't been useless at Millwall and we perhaps as a club had to work to find the player hidden in there.

The financial situation precipitated that. But the point stands. He was written off and people actively wanted him gone. But isn't it better to work at recreating the player we thought he was when he came rather than just using him as the posterboy for everything bad at the club?

EDIT: And as for the 4 man midfield, I don't think we have any players any better suited to playing in a 4 man midfield. Which is why we shouldn't be doing it. Ever.

[Jugs]

I think a lot of people continue to do that. It's a silly, silly comparison.

We're all guilty of it occasionally, and it's no surprise given that we hit Europe, but the way they prattle on with their match reports and ratings we wouldn't even field a team if they had their way. I mean they used to absolutely trash Trotter the same way they do Dervite, but after a loan spell away, he's the apple of their eye. Nothing wrong with changing opinions as player form gets better or worse, but if they had their way he'd have been long gone and wouldn't be here with his current form now. They always want rid of players the moment they make a mistake or suffer a dip in form.

I just think it blunts one's expectations when they keep looking back to our halcyon days and saying, "you wouldn't be fit to lace Hierro's boots." And when your expectations are blunted, you start chastising hard-workers like Feeney because he's not living up to the standards that were set by that special team a decade ago.

It's all about reality and skewed perceptions. Are there a few things about Feeney's game that let him down? Sure. Is he worth LoV's constant aggro? Is he feck.

[plymouth wanderer]

I'm jumping on the bandwagon -I aways said Trotter was a class act!

[Lost Leopard Spot]

I'm jumping on the bandwagon -I aways said Trotter was a class act!

I said he was the best thing since sliced cheese.

[Lord Kangana]

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To be fair LK a small number of users on here have posted about his decent stats and performances at previous clubs. It's less "told you so" hindsight, more "about fecking time you're getting it back".

But we rarely* sign players who haven't done it somewhere, sometime. We have plenty of players who you could say the same about. I think it's a bit silly every time someone comes up with an alright performance (and let's be clear, he was winning a world's tallest dwarf contest on saturdy) that we ignore the mountain of evidence to the contrary - seen with our own eyes. See also: Te, Ricardo Vaz.

*(with the odd notable exception, what was that Spanish fullbacks name?)

[BWFC_Insane]

[
To be fair LK a small number of users on here have posted about his decent stats and performances at previous clubs. It's less "told you so" hindsight, more "about fecking time you're getting it back".

But we rarely* sign players who haven't done it somewhere, sometime. We have plenty of players who you could say the same about. I think it's a bit silly every time someone comes up with an alright performance (and let's be clear, he was winning a world's tallest dwarf contest on saturdy) that we ignore the mountain of evidence to the contrary - seen with our own eyes. See also: Te, Ricardo Vaz.

*(with the odd notable exception, what was that Spanish fullbacks name?)

But it was clear he wasn't at his best here. And we are now approaching something closer to his best. It wasn't just Saturday, he's been playing well since coming back from Forest, for me.

Point is that players can look terrible for a whole number of reasons, sometimes that can be a temporary problem that can be overcome. It doesn't always mean they are totally useless and to be discarded immediately. Mind we're all going to have to get a lot more patient now I suspect.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

*(with the odd notable exception, what was that Spanish fullbacks name?)

Casado, or do you mean Oscar Perez? (Think he was supposed to be a midfielder)

[Lord Kangana]

No, I meant the one DSB got - Oscar Perez. Wasn't that the dodgy as f*ck deal?

[Lord Kangana]

No, I meant the one DSB got - Oscar Perez. Wasn't that the dodgy as f*ck deal?

Christ I barely remember him!

That's my point!

Most players at least merit 5 minutes consideration based on past achievements. What that deal was about is anyone's guess.