The Politics Thread

[thebish]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

[Hoboh]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

[thebish]

major news-breaking story of the day...

Boris Johnson leaves his house and cycles off to work.

[BWFC_Insane]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

[thebish]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

also - and i think you probably need to think a bit about how a hospital works differently to a chemist - the delay that is SAID to be that you are waiting for the pharmacy in a hospital is very often the same order of statement as "the dog ate it" or "the cheque's in the post"... the delay is NOT usually inefficiency in the pharmacy but a whole series of interconnected decisions that have to be made in a particular order by very busy people who are not all in the same room (or even on the same site) at the same time...

[BWFC_Insane]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

also - and i think you probably need to think a bit about how a hospital works differently to a chemist - the delay that is SAID to be that you are waiting for the pharmacy in a hospital is very often the same order of statement as "the dog ate it" or "the cheque's in the post"... the delay is NOT usually inefficiency in the pharmacy but a whole series of interconnected decisions that have to be made in a particular order by very busy people who are not all in the same room (or even on the same site) at the same time...

Was he waiting on a ward or in the pharmacy itself? I've been to the pharmacy a few times as an outpatient and the wait is usually fairly lengthy. Like near an hour. But that is because the pharmacy has all the outpatients, plus prescriptions to the wards to deal with.

When you're waiting on the ward, obviously there are several cogs in the machine there.

When waiting in pharmacy it is just the volume that causes the delay.

[Hoboh]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

I suppose being electronic then it takes a week to post orders, just like your reply post!!

[BWFC_Insane]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

I suppose being electronic then it takes a week to post orders, just like your reply post!!

Everything has to be scanned, then double checked, the signed off by the pharmacist etc....

[Hoboh]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

also - and i think you probably need to think a bit about how a hospital works differently to a chemist - the delay that is SAID to be that you are waiting for the pharmacy in a hospital is very often the same order of statement as "the dog ate it" or "the cheque's in the post"... the delay is NOT usually inefficiency in the pharmacy but a whole series of interconnected decisions that have to be made in a particular order by very busy people who are not all in the same room (or even on the same site) at the same time...

Right know it all!
10.30am consultant visits, after a brief discussion agrees I can go home, junior doctor (or none consultant types into mobile PC my prescription requirements then toddles off to catch up with consultant.
Few minutes later nurse comes checks temp, Bp etc. and enters details as always on I-pad type thing that updates my records immediately. ward manager visits tells me all is well and she will sign discharge once my prescription arrives be about an hour and half.
I phone other come for me in about 2 hours, wife arrives, no prescription, make enquiry's, its on its way.
4 hours later, having blocked a perfectly useable bed on ward, since lunch, I tell ward manger I've had enough and I'm going home, I will go to my GP in the morning and get a prescription for drugs which I can pick up at the Chemist outside his surgery. Well I cannot sign your discharge without your prescription, okay I'll discharge myself then! just a minute I'll see what's going on, surprise, surprise 5 mins later prescription arrives.

[Hoboh]

I wouldn't be surprised to discover that your average general hospital pharmacy deals with at least ten times as many scrip requests than your average chemist pharmacy - so more staff wouldn't be a huge shock...

Correct, but that wouldn't explain the waiting time difference either

Yes it would. A higher volume takes longer to process. Everything is electronic, it isn't just a case of picking a box up off a shelf and handing it over.

I suppose being electronic then it takes a week to post orders, just like your reply post!!

Everything has to be scanned, then double checked, the signed off by the pharmacist etc....

Aye processing, picking, checking an order in a huge despatch warehouse takes that long because of electronic computerised devices!

[thebish]

just a minute I'll see what's going on, surprise, surprise 5 mins later prescription arrives.

like I said - the dog ate it... it's in the post... etc...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

just a minute I'll see what's going on, surprise, surprise 5 mins later prescription arrives.

like I said - the dog ate it... it's in the post... etc...

Letting dogs eat prescriptions is not good pet management.

[Hoboh]

just a minute I'll see what's going on, surprise, surprise 5 mins later prescription arrives.

like I said - the dog ate it... it's in the post... etc...

But you get my point, all is not roses in the NHS and some parts need serious looking at, the prescription fiasco is not hard it's basic logistics and would not take a committee years to work out.
The NHS is in my experience a fantastic organisation run by some really wonderful people and long may that continue but to defend every little aspect of it as perfect is quite wrong.
BTW private does not equate to better either, the excuse for food served up was a disgrace, so bad in fact except toast and a just about drinkable coffee of some description, I had my food brought in!
Oh bottled water too the tap water in the jugs was vile.

[thebish]

just a minute I'll see what's going on, surprise, surprise 5 mins later prescription arrives.

like I said - the dog ate it... it's in the post... etc...

But you get my point, all is not roses in the NHS and some parts need serious looking at, the prescription fiasco is not hard it's basic logistics and would not take a committee years to work out.
The NHS is in my experience a fantastic organisation run by some really wonderful people and long may that continue but to defend every little aspect of it as perfect is quite wrong.
BTW private does not equate to better either, the excuse for food served up was a disgrace, so bad in fact except toast and a just about drinkable coffee of some description, I had my food brought in!
Oh bottled water too the tap water in the jugs was vile.

I don't believe anyone said it is all roses in the NHS - what we were talking about was the wholesale selling off of bits that might generate a quick profit to private consortiums (usually headed by an ex Tory minister or a Tory funding hero.)

[bobo the clown]

^^^ can you "wholesale" sell off "bits" ??

[thebish]

^^^ can you "wholesale" sell off "bits" ??

yes. you break summat into bits and then sell them off wholesale.

[Worthy4England]

My MiL was an emergency admission on Friday and in between Friday and Monday was on three different wards - not a major problem, but what was very noticeable was that many of the beds were taken up with dementia patients who needed constant watching by nursing staff - some of them to the extent that they had to have a nurse sat there permanently. Trying to pick my words carefully here, but there wasn't anything wrong with the dementia patients other than their dementia - I'm in no way trying to minimise how bad that is nor that they clearly need care. But in hospital? In the Emergency Admissions Unit? MiL got flirted out of hospital yesterday, without having the ultra sound she needed (couldn't find batteries), without being properly assessed and unsurprisingly was back in Emergency Admissions around 4 hours later. Today they're lobbing a catheter in and dispatching her out again tomorrow - allegedly after she's the ultrasound she should have had prior to her being kicked out yesterday - because "there's no beds"...

Fuming.

[thebish]

Nicky Morgan - Tory Education Secretary...

"What was really noticeable on Monday during the EU statement was that Jeremy Corbyn's top button was not done up, his tie wasn't straight,"

Dave Cameron - Prime Minister... (quoting what he reckoned his mother would say to Corbyn)

"put on a proper suit, do up your tie and sing the national anthem"


is this what the level of political debate has come down to?

back benchers are always going to heckle - that's bad enough - but from the PM and front-bench cabinet members? labour is as bad as Tory in this respect - except - not Corbyn... despite sustained personal attacks and jibes, he has remained relatively calm and not retaliated in kind as far as I have heard...

[Hoboh]

Nicky Morgan - Tory Education Secretary...

"What was really noticeable on Monday during the EU statement was that Jeremy Corbyn's top button was not done up, his tie wasn't straight,"

Dave Cameron - Prime Minister... (quoting what he reckoned his mother would say to Corbyn)

"put on a proper suit, do up your tie and sing the national anthem"


is this what the level of political debate has come down to?

back benchers are always going to heckle - that's bad enough - but from the PM and front-bench cabinet members? labour is as bad as Tory in this respect - except - not Corbyn... despite sustained personal attacks and jibes, he has remained relatively calm and not retaliated in kind as far as I have heard...

Don't talk wet!

It's because he hasn't a clue in that scruffy old head of his what to say unless the 'brothers' programme him first!

[Dr Hotdog]

Nicky Morgan - Tory Education Secretary...

"What was really noticeable on Monday during the EU statement was that Jeremy Corbyn's top button was not done up, his tie wasn't straight,"

Dave Cameron - Prime Minister... (quoting what he reckoned his mother would say to Corbyn)

"put on a proper suit, do up your tie and sing the national anthem"


is this what the level of political debate has come down to?

back benchers are always going to heckle - that's bad enough - but from the PM and front-bench cabinet members? labour is as bad as Tory in this respect - except - not Corbyn... despite sustained personal attacks and jibes, he has remained relatively calm and not retaliated in kind as far as I have heard...

Don't talk wet!

It's because he hasn't a clue in that scruffy old head of his what to say unless the 'brothers' programme him first!

You tell 'em Hobes, you big bully boy you! oh you!